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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 09:40 PM
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31. Much Appreciated, Sir. As A Thought Experiment, It Is Quite Apt, And Instructive
Certainly people who trumpet 'bipartisan governance' really have no ground to complain of 'bipartisan voting' or 'bipartisan campaigning', or, in other words, of people who spend the weeks before an election talking up how good some of the other party are, and people who vote often for candidates of the other party.

The problem is that this is a two-handed game, which only works if both parties work their hands as hard as they can. Does anyone doubt, for instance, that if a Republican majority is in the House next year, Impeachment will not be a common topic, and obviously being worked towards? So long as only one side plays for keeps, this disequilibrium will continue, because there is no cost to be paid, no pay-back that ever comes.

Worse, people who say they do not like partisan fighting in Washington are mostly just saying what they think they should say. Everyone said they thought there was too much focus on Mr. Simpson's trial, but everyone followed it, to a point that it is not necessary for me to say which Mr. Simpson in this illustration. The fact is people like the brawling, find it entertaining, and use it as the means of gauging who they will align with. The mush in the middle, the so-called 'independents', are not moved by reasoned argument or even well-calculated self-interest: they are moved by their guess of who will win, which they take as being who is the most passionate and single-minded in advocacy for their own position. It used to be cruelly said 'A liberal is a man who won't take his own side in a quarrel', and there remains way too much of truth in the gibe to this day.
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  -Would Obama, Rahm and gang be happy if Democratic base practiced bipartisan voting & campaigning? yurbud  Sep-05-10 08:37 PM   #0 
  - ....  Forkboy   Sep-05-10 08:41 PM   #1 
  - zing  mix   Sep-05-10 08:41 PM   #2 
  - What is the definition of bipartisan voting?  ProSense   Sep-05-10 08:41 PM   #3 
  - Same as "bipartisan" governing  MannyGoldstein   Sep-05-10 08:50 PM   #8 
  - There is no such thing as bipartisan voting.  ProSense   Sep-05-10 08:56 PM   #12 
     - Certainly there is  MannyGoldstein   Sep-05-10 09:00 PM   #13 
        - Really?  ProSense   Sep-05-10 09:03 PM   #14 
           - One could vote for Barney Frank and Scott Brown  MannyGoldstein   Sep-05-10 09:05 PM   #17 
              - People already do that. They already  ProSense   Sep-05-10 09:07 PM   #19 
                 - Who said that people don't already do that?  MannyGoldstein   Sep-05-10 09:25 PM   #24 
                    - Newflash:  ProSense   Sep-05-10 09:46 PM   #41 
  - Here's an example.  rug   Sep-05-10 09:28 PM   #26 
     - An example of what? n/t  ProSense   Sep-05-10 09:47 PM   #42 
        - Bipartisan voting.  rug   Sep-05-10 09:48 PM   #45 
           - That is an example of bipartisanship.  ProSense   Sep-05-10 09:57 PM   #47 
              - You're right, it's not bipartisan voting. It's vote selling.  rug   Sep-05-10 10:01 PM   #48 
              - you're being argumentatively obtuse  ibegurpard   Sep-05-10 10:05 PM   #49 
                 - "he's talking about ticket-splitting and you know it"  ProSense   Sep-05-10 10:11 PM   #50 
  - Cold, But Fair, Sir  The Magistrate   Sep-05-10 08:43 PM   #4 
  - that means a lot coming from you.  yurbud   Sep-05-10 09:03 PM   #15 
     - Much Appreciated, Sir. As A Thought Experiment, It Is Quite Apt, And Instructive  The Magistrate   Sep-05-10 09:40 PM   #31 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-10 08:44 PM   #5 
  - LMAO!  IndianaGreen   Sep-05-10 08:49 PM   #7 
  - ouch  ibegurpard   Sep-05-10 08:48 PM   #6 
  - Well played. Nt  xchrom   Sep-05-10 08:51 PM   #9 
  - I'll say! Very well played.  Safetykitten   Sep-05-10 09:11 PM   #20 
  - I don't often rec a poll  MannyGoldstein   Sep-05-10 08:52 PM   #10 
  - With all of the insults tossed out at their constituencies  depakid   Sep-05-10 08:52 PM   #11 
  - Incoherence.  jefferson_dem   Sep-05-10 09:05 PM   #16 
  - They can want in one hand and shit in the other....  Jamastiene   Sep-05-10 09:07 PM   #18 
  - Bush was partisan  CTLawGuy   Sep-05-10 09:17 PM   #21 
  - Bush cared about his base  IndianaGreen   Sep-05-10 09:23 PM   #22 
     - That's why Bush didn't give them the immigration bill they wanted,  FrenchieCat   Sep-05-10 09:28 PM   #25 
     - well said  CTLawGuy   Sep-05-10 09:31 PM   #28 
     - Bush's immigration bill was the result of Bush knowing and working with Latinos  IndianaGreen   Sep-05-10 09:38 PM   #29 
        - by racist rabble  CTLawGuy   Sep-05-10 09:40 PM   #32 
        - There is a large component in GOP base that can accurately be described as  IndianaGreen   Sep-05-10 09:43 PM   #37 
        - "It was one of those occasions in which Bush stood for what was right"  ProSense   Sep-05-10 09:41 PM   #33 
           - hey, our president just gave a whopper in a national speech  ibegurpard   Sep-05-10 09:42 PM   #36 
           - So you are  ProSense   Sep-05-10 09:45 PM   #39 
           - Bush's immigration reform was a good proposal  IndianaGreen   Sep-05-10 09:46 PM   #40 
     - no permanent tax cuts  CTLawGuy   Sep-05-10 09:30 PM   #27 
     - Did Bush WH ever refer to GOP base as the 'professional right' or 'F-ing Retards'?  IndianaGreen   Sep-05-10 09:41 PM   #34 
        - umm Obama's WH never called his base any such thing  CTLawGuy   Sep-05-10 10:14 PM   #51 
     - Good old Bush,  ProSense   Sep-05-10 09:40 PM   #30 
        - Psst. Bush and Cheney should be at The Hague  IndianaGreen   Sep-05-10 09:42 PM   #35 
           - Hey, but he didn't shit on his base. n/t  ProSense   Sep-05-10 09:47 PM   #43 
              - Golden rule: don't shit on your base!  IndianaGreen   Sep-05-10 09:48 PM   #44 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-10 09:24 PM   #23 
  - +1 Excellent response. n/t  firedupdem   Sep-05-10 09:43 PM   #38 
  - I voted we should follow our Leader, since he has set an example & I am  KakistocracyHater   Sep-05-10 09:57 PM   #46 
  - Other. This is a crummy, snarky push poll and it contributes nothing  Arkana   Sep-05-10 10:22 PM   #52 
  - Locking  NRaleighLiberal   Sep-05-10 10:32 PM   #53 
 

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