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136. You and the media are leaving out the fact that a food stamp cut to
a temporary program based only on wishful thinking will hurt millions of poor people. That apparently is an example of "humanity". What about the senate bill to fund the first lady's program which cuts food stamps further. I guess if a little "humanity" is good, might as well go for some more.

Obama refers to himself as a new democrat. New Democrat = DLC = neo lib = free trade/globalism.

Attempting to defend a cut in the food stamp program regardless of whether the program was temporary or permanent without reporting the very real consequences for those who will suffer under these cuts, while spinning the "humanity" of the cut and trying to pass it off as a minor tech fix is bullshit.
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  -Food Stamps Are Not Being Cut SunsetDreams  Aug-16-10 08:41 AM   #0 
  - That doesn't change the fact  My Good Babushka   Aug-16-10 08:45 AM   #1 
  - They were only temporarily increased  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 08:47 AM   #2 
  - In general, Congress only exists to support the will of the Rich People  truedelphi   Aug-17-10 12:34 AM   #121 
  - Tell it to the pukes, who couldn't conceivably vote for anything  babylonsister   Aug-16-10 08:50 AM   #3 
  - Read the OP closer ...  JoePhilly   Aug-16-10 08:50 AM   #5 
  - Democrats need to get on TV and start shouting the truth  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-16-10 10:05 AM   #20 
     - Tsk, tsk. Raising one's voice is so... unseemly.  Zenlitened   Aug-16-10 11:38 AM   #41 
     - LOL!  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-16-10 11:42 AM   #42 
     - While I kind of agree .... the reality is ...  JoePhilly   Aug-16-10 03:43 PM   #68 
     - But top Dems could have shot down that lie in a heartbeat... by calling it a LIE.  Zenlitened   Aug-16-10 04:10 PM   #80 
        - Specific hit teams of key Dems need to go on TV, radio - actually everywhere  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-16-10 08:42 PM   #116 
     - A year ago DU said these increases were peanuts  sandnsea   Aug-16-10 03:59 PM   #72 
        - I forgot that.  JoePhilly   Aug-16-10 05:04 PM   #90 
  - So letting the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire, as intended, is actually increasing the  Honeycombe8   Aug-17-10 12:48 AM   #123 
  - Have read expiration may be accelerated to '13. Stupid when food stamps most stimulative to economy.  flpoljunkie   Aug-16-10 08:50 AM   #4 
  - So we should do the entire stimulus in food stamps, right?  JoePhilly   Aug-16-10 08:53 AM   #6 
     - they also want to rile up the rabble. i was at a teabagger town hall  mopinko   Aug-16-10 09:41 AM   #13 
     - Of course not. It does not stimulate economy to rob Peter to pay Paul, though, does it?  flpoljunkie   Aug-16-10 10:27 AM   #29 
        - Peter was not robbed ... that's the point ...  JoePhilly   Aug-16-10 11:42 AM   #43 
           - Yes, some Dems have promised to fix this. I hope they are able to do so.  flpoljunkie   Aug-16-10 12:20 PM   #50 
  - Somebody I see don't want the truth to get out  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 08:54 AM   #7 
  - I'm glad you brought this up so that people can see the truth.  jaxx   Aug-16-10 09:07 AM   #8 
  - So technically, the Bush tax cuts weren't really tax cuts either.  progressoid   Aug-16-10 09:10 AM   #9 
  - That's a totally different issue. THANK goodness  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 09:15 AM   #10 
  - Different issue but the same logic.  progressoid   Aug-16-10 09:29 AM   #11 
  - Yeah 4 years, if the increase is still needed Congress has plenty of time  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 09:40 AM   #12 
  - Riiiight.  progressoid   Aug-16-10 09:59 AM   #18 
     - "Plenty of time"  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 10:09 AM   #22 
     - Not unlike your assumption that "Congress has plenty of time to change it"  progressoid   Aug-16-10 10:31 AM   #31 
        - Anything is a possiblity, just like the recession being over by 2014  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 11:12 AM   #38 
     - "Because in 4 years we can expect to have even more liberals in Congress fighting for the poor. "  ProSense   Aug-16-10 10:13 AM   #24 
        - Good friggin grief indeed. You said it.  progressoid   Aug-16-10 10:26 AM   #28 
           - Do you think the recession will last forever?  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 10:29 AM   #30 
           - This is veering from the issue.  progressoid   Aug-16-10 10:58 AM   #36 
              - It's not veering from the issue, the recession is the reason for the increase  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 11:10 AM   #37 
                 - Ten points for good avoidance of my statement.  progressoid   Aug-16-10 11:25 AM   #40 
                 - "Do you think the recession will last forever?"  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 11:44 AM   #45 
                    - No, I don't think the recession is going to last forever.  progressoid   Aug-16-10 12:21 PM   #51 
                    - I'm not the one spinning anything  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 12:54 PM   #52 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-16-10 01:36 PM   #56 
                          - "But in my opinion they deserve to be smeared"  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 02:00 PM   #58 
                    - Educate yourself.  ipaint   Aug-16-10 12:55 PM   #53 
                       - From 1996? & 2002? This is 2010, and it's still not a cut  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 02:08 PM   #60 
                       - Reduction in benefits = cut. 1996, 2002, 2007, 2017. same old same old.  ipaint   Aug-16-10 02:31 PM   #62 
                          - 2008 Farm Bill Increases to Food Stamp Program  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 02:55 PM   #65 
                          - Why not make the increase permanent, since the depression for those at the bottom  ipaint   Aug-16-10 06:32 PM   #102 
                             - It is not 12 billion in one year  SunsetDreams   Aug-17-10 04:02 AM   #129 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-17-10 06:28 AM   #130 
                                - Spinning the humanity of cutting food stamps during a depression.  ipaint   Aug-17-10 06:32 AM   #131 
                                - I had not seen that article before  SunsetDreams   Aug-17-10 07:43 AM   #135 
                                - You and the media are leaving out the fact that a food stamp cut to  ipaint   Aug-17-10 08:06 AM   #136 
                          - "Reduction in benefits = cut."  boppers   Aug-19-10 12:14 AM   #152 
                       - Temp Assistance to Needy Families coming up to bat  Riley133   Aug-17-10 05:51 PM   #142 
                 - My hope is because it is Correct & Proper to do so  Cherchez la Femme   Aug-17-10 02:55 AM   #127 
           - Fix what now?  ProSense   Aug-16-10 10:52 AM   #35 
              - A an actual jobs bill that doesn't use political and financial chicanery.  progressoid   Aug-16-10 11:13 AM   #39 
                 - "if the food stamp increase was going to expire anyway"  ProSense   Aug-16-10 11:43 AM   #44 
                 - Woosh - miss the point completely.  progressoid   Aug-16-10 11:46 AM   #47 
                    - The money isn't being saved, it's going to fund something else.  ProSense   Aug-16-10 02:36 PM   #64 
                       - EXACTLY!!! You agree with me!  progressoid   Aug-16-10 03:10 PM   #66 
                          - No, I don't agree with you. n/t  ProSense   Aug-16-10 03:13 PM   #67 
                 - There's always money for wars, isn't there? No cutbacks there.... n/t  Mimosa   Aug-17-10 02:41 AM   #126 
                    - Priorities, ya know  Cherchez la Femme   Aug-17-10 02:56 AM   #128 
  - "Likewise, in four years..."  ProSense   Aug-16-10 09:43 AM   #15 
  - Agreed  Riley133   Aug-17-10 05:39 PM   #141 
  - But the logic is the same.  fogonthelake   Aug-16-10 09:42 AM   #14 
     - So by that logic  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 09:48 AM   #17 
        - yes, different issues, which is the important. But logic is the same.  fogonthelake   Aug-16-10 10:06 AM   #21 
           - So what exactly is the point  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 10:12 AM   #23 
              - you seemed so determined in the OP to say that  fogonthelake   Aug-16-10 10:14 AM   #25 
                 - You seem so determined to IMPLY that they are being Cut  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 10:19 AM   #26 
                    - yes, in 2014 the stamps will be cut according to this new law. You got it now.  fogonthelake   Aug-16-10 04:06 PM   #76 
                       - No, that is not what I said, only what you are IMPLYING is happening  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 05:46 PM   #96 
                          - LOL. I know what is happening. But I have  fogonthelake   Aug-16-10 05:49 PM   #97 
                             - You just don't understand how to play three dimensional chess.  Spheric   Aug-17-10 06:47 AM   #132 
  - Um no, they were temporary tax cuts. And this was a temporary food stamp increase.  phleshdef   Aug-16-10 10:02 AM   #19 
  - Slightly different  joeglow3   Aug-16-10 10:21 AM   #27 
  - If government is actually doing its job, those food stamps shouldn't be needed in 2014.  phleshdef   Aug-16-10 09:48 AM   #16 
  - exactly :)  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 10:43 AM   #32 
  - Based on what? The program is under funded at the moment  TheKentuckian   Aug-16-10 11:54 AM   #48 
  - Based on the fact that more people should be back to work, making actual money.  phleshdef   Aug-16-10 02:04 PM   #59 
     - There is no indication that more people will be back to work, earning living wages, or that  TheKentuckian   Aug-16-10 02:30 PM   #61 
        - What part of the word "if" in the phrase "if govt is doing its job", do you not fucking understand?  phleshdef   Aug-16-10 02:32 PM   #63 
           - Wrong. You asserted these conditions where a fact. Facts don't call for "if's", facts are  TheKentuckian   Aug-16-10 04:04 PM   #73 
              - LOL. What a load of shit. Your posts are becoming parodies of themselves at this point.  phleshdef   Aug-17-10 05:08 PM   #139 
                 - What factor dictates a downward revision of the length of the stimulus?  TheKentuckian   Aug-18-10 11:56 AM   #146 
                    - You are making up fucking questions regarding shit I wasn't even talking about.  phleshdef   Aug-18-10 02:17 PM   #147 
                       - Your generalization isn't a response to a specific policy decision  TheKentuckian   Aug-18-10 02:56 PM   #148 
                          - Like I said, jerking off to the dictionary while saying absolutely nothing.  phleshdef   Aug-18-10 03:39 PM   #149 
                             - I don't need a dictionary. I was reading one everyday at five but you still dodge the questions  TheKentuckian   Aug-18-10 06:11 PM   #150 
  - This thread is like watching Abbott and Costello doing, whose on first..  Kahuna   Aug-16-10 01:33 PM   #55 
     - I couldn't agree more  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 01:54 PM   #57 
  - The M$M is getting so irrelevant  treestar   Aug-16-10 10:49 AM   #33 
  - The only place they could have found money is the food stamp program?  ipaint   Aug-16-10 10:50 AM   #34 
  - K&R for your comment.  Zenlitened   Aug-16-10 11:46 AM   #46 
  - +100. Isn't it amazing though? I must say, I didn't expect this.  inna   Aug-16-10 04:08 PM   #79 
     - The recession will live on  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 04:16 PM   #82 
        - Of course the recession is going to live on.  ipaint   Aug-16-10 06:49 PM   #106 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-16-10 11:56 AM   #49 
  - Can you make your point without the personal attacks? nt  Kahuna   Aug-16-10 03:48 PM   #69 
  - No worries, I can't see it.  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 03:54 PM   #71 
     - My post wasn't to you. It was to the post that is now deleted.  Kahuna   Aug-17-10 11:22 AM   #137 
        - yep I know  SunsetDreams   Aug-18-10 11:21 AM   #145 
  - The amount is less than what??  JoePhilly   Aug-16-10 04:07 PM   #78 
  - Thanks.  Scurrilous   Aug-16-10 01:21 PM   #54 
  - Your next scheduled pay raise is being canceled.  Zenlitened   Aug-16-10 03:54 PM   #70 
  - This isn't remotely similar to a scheduled pay raise.  ProSense   Aug-16-10 04:05 PM   #74 
  - You, of all people, I would expect to understand the significance...  Zenlitened   Aug-16-10 04:34 PM   #87 
     - "messaging aspect of this decision"?  ProSense   Aug-16-10 06:55 PM   #107 
  - You are right it's not a perfect analogy.  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 04:05 PM   #75 
  - But the increase is even less "temporary" than planned, isn't it?  Zenlitened   Aug-16-10 04:30 PM   #86 
  - and absolutely nothing about present conditions signals that the conditions are improving faster  TheKentuckian   Aug-16-10 04:42 PM   #89 
  - No, it's not a perfect analogy.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Aug-16-10 04:07 PM   #77 
  - What makes it outright dishonest?  Zenlitened   Aug-16-10 04:19 PM   #83 
  - That's exactly what happened in the 80s  sandnsea   Aug-16-10 05:19 PM   #93 
     - Absolutely, yes. I do remember. Frankly, I think it's a big part of the reason...  Zenlitened   Aug-16-10 05:45 PM   #95 
        - Then please argue *for* repealing the Bush tax cuts  sandnsea   Aug-16-10 06:27 PM   #101 
           - Fail. Perhaps you were replying to someone else?  Zenlitened   Aug-16-10 06:34 PM   #103 
              - The neediest got a 13% increase  sandnsea   Aug-16-10 06:37 PM   #104 
                 - If I remember correctly, I was at Charlie's Kitchen in Harvard Square...  Zenlitened   Aug-16-10 06:41 PM   #105 
                    - That's not what I asked  sandnsea   Aug-16-10 06:59 PM   #108 
                       - I'm certain I didn't go to any other diners that day...  Zenlitened   Aug-16-10 07:37 PM   #110 
                          - You keep skirting the question  sandnsea   Aug-16-10 07:54 PM   #111 
                             - Eleven. Although I may have substituted "yippee" for "wahoo." - n/t  Zenlitened   Aug-16-10 08:10 PM   #112 
                                - You never did because you never knew  sandnsea   Aug-16-10 08:27 PM   #113 
                                   - Yep, you've sure got me figured out.  Zenlitened   Aug-16-10 08:38 PM   #114 
  - K&R!  Whisp   Aug-16-10 04:14 PM   #81 
  - Republicans are the best proof that Democrats will not let this bill affect food stamps increases.  quiet.american   Aug-16-10 04:24 PM   #84 
  - Tell that to a Single Mother feeding her kids on Food Stamps.  bvar22   Aug-16-10 04:27 PM   #85 
  - Anyone receiving foods stamps  ProSense   Aug-16-10 04:40 PM   #88 
  - But But But ... the media said its a cut!!!!  JoePhilly   Aug-16-10 05:06 PM   #91 
  - My daughter is a single mother feeding her kids on food stamps  sandnsea   Aug-16-10 05:17 PM   #92 
     - Yes, it is a difficult situation to say the least..  fogonthelake   Aug-17-10 07:15 AM   #134 
  - The giddy trumpeter of bad news about Democrats won't like this one  Kingofalldems   Aug-16-10 05:34 PM   #94 
  - There is way too much misinformation going on.  SunsetDreams   Aug-16-10 05:50 PM   #98 
  - How dare you post actual facts? It is so much more satisfying to rip the Dems for heartless elitism  Hekate   Aug-16-10 05:56 PM   #99 
  - And people who hate Obama and everything he does  rury   Aug-16-10 06:17 PM   #100 
  - Cutting temp or permanent food stamps, given the wealth hoarded at the top, is pathetic.  ipaint   Aug-16-10 07:05 PM   #109 
  - Thanks for the truth, IPaint. n/t  Mimosa   Aug-17-10 02:38 AM   #125 
  - It's a Republican talking point and it's being used by many here...  Drunken Irishman   Aug-16-10 08:39 PM   #115 
  - The only difference is we are talking about poor people with little to no food and gluttonous  ipaint   Aug-16-10 08:45 PM   #117 
     - It's not really a solid point, though.  Drunken Irishman   Aug-16-10 08:54 PM   #118 
        - I don't see that improvement is likely at all.  ipaint   Aug-16-10 09:41 PM   #119 
           - And, no doubt,  dflprincess   Aug-16-10 10:06 PM   #120 
  - Um, has no-one brought up the Michelle angle yet?  smalll   Aug-17-10 12:42 AM   #122 
  - Many seniors on S.S. are also on food stamps  Mimosa   Aug-17-10 02:36 AM   #124 
  - the measure of a country is how they treat their most vulnerable  KakistocracyHater   Aug-17-10 06:48 AM   #133 
  - Good to know..  Cha   Aug-17-10 11:39 AM   #138 
  - I hope those people were only temporarily hungry. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-17-10 05:32 PM   #140 
  - I believe the politically acceptable term (whitewash) is food insecure.  ipaint   Aug-18-10 07:02 AM   #143 
     - And yet, this thread got 48 votes.  EFerrari   Aug-18-10 11:04 AM   #144 
  - Thanks for verifying the facts, I always wait for more info before reacting now.  DemocraticPilgrim   Aug-19-10 12:05 AM   #151 

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