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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 03:27 PM
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20. Please elaborate on your donut hole theory.
The government indeed sent checks to medicare plan D recipients. How exactly did that lower medical costs? It seems instead, if it had any effect on costs, it would be an upward effect due to increased demand from senior citizens who have in the past simply gone without the drugs they need. My guess is this had no measurable effect on prices.

The 'loophole' part of the Healthcare Prevention Industry Reform Act does not take effect until 2011, when people in the donut hole get a 50% discount on name brand drugs from all manufacturers participating in plan D. How is that lowering prices in 2010?
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  -Medical Care Prices Fell for First Time in 35 Years ProSense  Aug-15-10 11:05 AM   #0 
  - Good news!  MannyGoldstein   Aug-15-10 11:17 AM   #1 
  - K&R  NJmaverick   Aug-15-10 11:18 AM   #2 
  - Meanwhile, insurance premiums continue to rise  MadHound   Aug-15-10 11:19 AM   #3 
  - Look at the Medical services component in the table from the first link  karynnj   Aug-15-10 12:45 PM   #9 
     - Can I Buy You Dinner?  Beetwasher   Aug-15-10 09:22 PM   #32 
        - Thanks for the compliment  karynnj   Aug-16-10 07:49 AM   #44 
  - Excellent. And no doubt the Obama administration pushing back on insurance hikes contributed. nt  quiet.american   Aug-15-10 11:26 AM   #4 
  - Some people have a complete aversion to positive news. n/t  ProSense   Aug-15-10 12:18 PM   #5 
  - OK. so the other 5 times this happened were because of ....  Warren Stupidity   Aug-15-10 12:23 PM   #6 
     - Really? I think that the first decline in 35 years cannot be arbitrary..  Kahuna   Aug-15-10 12:30 PM   #8 
     - 0.1%  Warren Stupidity   Aug-15-10 12:45 PM   #10 
        - All items went up by .3%, so it strains credibility to speak of deflation.  karynnj   Aug-15-10 12:54 PM   #12 
           - take it up with the author of the article  Warren Stupidity   Aug-15-10 03:14 PM   #18 
     - That is pretty easy to do  karynnj   Aug-15-10 12:51 PM   #11 
     - Please elaborate on your donut hole theory.  Warren Stupidity   Aug-15-10 03:27 PM   #20 
        - It does lower the costs for those people as it may be subtracted  karynnj   Aug-15-10 07:23 PM   #24 
           - You are just making stuff up.  Warren Stupidity   Aug-16-10 06:47 AM   #39 
              - I am not in the habit of "making things up" and I didn't here  karynnj   Aug-16-10 07:23 AM   #41 
     - That's right. It cannot be argued in either direction because it hasn't been implemented.  Hansel   Aug-15-10 02:13 PM   #15 
     - If Aetna and Anthem had instituted their planned massive rate hikes --  quiet.american   Aug-15-10 04:09 PM   #21 
        - How does a rate hike cancellation decrease prices?  Warren Stupidity   Aug-15-10 06:42 PM   #23 
           - Here - the impact is that had it happened the CPI element that included insurance would have risen  karynnj   Aug-15-10 07:26 PM   #25 
           - "would have risen" - ok fine. Now where did the DECREASE come from?  Warren Stupidity   Aug-16-10 06:48 AM   #40 
           - Coupled with new protections like free preventive care and elimination of certain co-pays --  quiet.american   Aug-15-10 07:49 PM   #28 
              - Also, Don't Discount The Impact Of Fed Oversight: They Are BEHAVING Themselves  Beetwasher   Aug-15-10 09:07 PM   #31 
  - But..but but... The professional left don't seem to agree!  Kahuna   Aug-15-10 12:27 PM   #7 
  - Maybe it's because people can't afford luxury items like medical care anymore  Vinca   Aug-15-10 01:41 PM   #13 
  - Brought to you be the same people who claim that unemployment  cornermouse   Aug-15-10 02:09 PM   #14 
  - Well, at least it didn't  ProSense   Aug-15-10 02:22 PM   #16 
  - The figures they're posting is a lie.  cornermouse   Aug-15-10 03:11 PM   #17 
     - It's a  ProSense   Aug-15-10 03:27 PM   #19 
     - Yes! The Dept. of Labor is lying!! Oy.  babylonsister   Aug-15-10 07:49 PM   #27 
     - Well Then! Cornermouse Says It's A Lie!!! Everyone Believe Cornermouse's Anonymous Internet Anecdote  Beetwasher   Aug-15-10 09:04 PM   #30 
     - Your neighborhood is not a random sample of the country  karynnj   Aug-16-10 07:44 AM   #42 
  - Can you read the CPI table?  karynnj   Aug-15-10 07:34 PM   #26 
  - K&R  SunsetDreams   Aug-15-10 04:27 PM   #22 
  - K&R For The Long Arm Of The Feds NOW Able To Get A Hand On Health Ins. Co's  Beetwasher   Aug-15-10 09:02 PM   #29 
  - And yet- behold  depakid   Aug-15-10 10:55 PM   #33 
  - Those existed before the legislation and if anything the legislation  karynnj   Aug-16-10 07:48 AM   #43 
  - Because the economy sucks?  smalll   Aug-15-10 10:58 PM   #34 
  - Or maybe it's because they're really cutting costs (personal story)  frazzled   Aug-16-10 12:31 AM   #35 
  - Not too helpful when the insurance motherfuckers continue ti increase premium costs n/t  eridani   Aug-16-10 01:54 AM   #36 
  - might be nice if you even read the article  karynnj   Aug-16-10 08:12 AM   #46 
     - Wow. Making data on how insurance companies screw us available--  eridani   Aug-16-10 10:25 PM   #52 
  - Of course! There are lots of people suffering  Bryn   Aug-16-10 02:28 AM   #37 
  - Deflation at work.  girl gone mad   Aug-16-10 02:45 AM   #38 
  - When the overall CPI goes up ,3% - we are not experiencing deflation nt  karynnj   Aug-16-10 09:06 AM   #48 
     - This is definitely an indication of deflation.  girl gone mad   Aug-16-10 09:09 PM   #51 
  - "With the margin of error"  zipplewrath   Aug-16-10 08:11 AM   #45 
     - Not totally true - while you can't say definitatively that it decreased  karynnj   Aug-16-10 09:04 AM   #47 
        - I don't think insurance is in that category  zipplewrath   Aug-16-10 09:48 AM   #49 
           - It was and wasn't -  karynnj   Aug-16-10 10:36 AM   #50 
 

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