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  -Obama: I will protect Social Security with everything i've got impik  Aug-14-10 05:53 AM   #0 
  - Good deal  lillypaddle   Aug-14-10 06:00 AM   #1 
  - That's the way he needs to talk all the time.  progressiveforever   Aug-15-10 12:34 AM   #133 
     - We've heard the TALK - over and over - on every subject before the cave. Let's see the WALK.  chimpymustgo   Aug-24-10 06:12 PM   #170 
  - yeah... we'll see on that one too, just like with health CARE  nightrain   Aug-14-10 06:02 AM   #2 
  - I want an answer to that, too. I no longer listen to what is said, I  Nay   Aug-14-10 06:53 AM   #4 
  - I listen as well.  Whisp   Aug-14-10 10:03 AM   #22 
     - Yes, lots of distortion and ...............  Exilednight   Aug-14-10 06:44 PM   #105 
     - .  patrice   Aug-15-10 01:47 AM   #138 
     - Thank you for saying what I was thinking!!  Fruittree   Aug-15-10 06:28 AM   #144 
  - He shore does talk purty.  Lasher   Aug-14-10 07:00 AM   #5 
  - Purty sensible, I think.  IndianaGreen   Aug-15-10 01:25 PM   #159 
     - Groundhogs R us.  Lasher   Aug-15-10 03:13 PM   #160 
  - And that is the problem in a nutshell.  PA Democrat   Aug-14-10 09:06 AM   #10 
  - Maybe so he can hear their arguments and counter them.  Qutzupalotl   Aug-14-10 09:32 PM   #118 
  - You obviously aren't either "Professional" enough or "Left" enough, so your opinion doesn't count.  patrice   Aug-15-10 01:49 AM   #139 
  - That's the only way to practice before releasing one's ideas into the wild...  Orsino   Aug-15-10 08:24 PM   #161 
  - Because  NorthCarolina   Aug-15-10 09:38 AM   #149 
     - That's exactly it, right there.  Marr   Aug-24-10 11:42 AM   #164 
     - BINGO!!!  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-25-10 10:52 AM   #187 
  - Angle's all for privatization...  babylonsister   Aug-14-10 06:03 AM   #3 
  - Most Republicans are except they slither around it  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 09:37 AM   #15 
  - 'which is why I appointed a commission to slash it'  MannyGoldstein   Aug-14-10 07:42 AM   #6 
  - He is painting "The Battle" as stopping "Privatization". The real goal however  NorthCarolina   Aug-14-10 08:06 AM   #7 
  - The proof of the pudding is in the eating.  glitch   Aug-14-10 09:10 AM   #11 
  - the more Republicans there are in Congress after November the more it would be likely  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 09:40 AM   #16 
  - No matter who is Prez, either the retirement age has to rise, or the benefits have to decrease.  Honeycombe8   Aug-14-10 10:05 AM   #23 
  - Those are not the only options.  Chef Eric   Aug-14-10 10:42 AM   #29 
  - that is a viable option.  fogonthelake   Aug-14-10 01:22 PM   #56 
  - And they should pay their...  YvonneCa   Aug-15-10 11:19 AM   #156 
  - ^ Exactly ^ (where do people over 60 go to get jobs anyway?)  Mimosa   Aug-25-10 11:18 AM   #191 
     - A question nobody seems to want to answer. Not only here at DU...  Zenlitened   Aug-25-10 08:21 PM   #201 
  - wrong  Warren Stupidity   Aug-14-10 05:06 PM   #94 
  - Grover Norquist's propaganda money has been well spent.  Lasher   Aug-14-10 05:12 PM   #97 
  - bing! and there you have it folks.  dionysus   Aug-15-10 01:08 AM   #135 
  - FACT. K&R for your post alone. - n/t  Zenlitened   Aug-25-10 08:22 PM   #202 
  - Or the cap on wages on which you pay SS taxes will be increased..  Hansel   Aug-14-10 06:13 PM   #98 
  - Bullshit. Those are NOT the only two fucking options...that is just  OwnedByFerrets   Aug-14-10 10:13 PM   #121 
  - Boomers payed double the amount in the 1980s.  joe black   Aug-24-10 11:55 AM   #165 
  - You could also put a SS and Medicare excise tax on capital gains.  amandabeech   Aug-24-10 10:35 PM   #176 
  - +1000  amborin   Aug-14-10 11:08 AM   #30 
  - I agree with You  Sherman A1   Aug-14-10 03:24 PM   #79 
  - Raising he age to 70 is the only bullet the gov't has  golfguru   Aug-24-10 09:04 PM   #175 
  - Bwahahahaha!!!  Zenlitened   Aug-25-10 08:24 PM   #203 
  - it's pretty obvious  Skittles   Aug-25-10 02:51 AM   #180 
  - Sure does seem like a possibility, unfortunately.  Zenlitened   Aug-25-10 08:25 PM   #204 
  - Any proof of that?  great white snark   Aug-14-10 11:23 AM   #31 
  - here  MannyGoldstein   Aug-14-10 02:06 PM   #72 
  - Thanks, I've read it.  great white snark   Aug-14-10 04:37 PM   #89 
     - +1  Hansel   Aug-14-10 06:18 PM   #99 
        - ah, but he was very critical...  awoke_in_2003   Aug-14-10 09:29 PM   #117 
  - Nothing has been passed? Well, duh. But plenty has been said.  Zenlitened   Aug-25-10 08:27 PM   #205 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-10 12:27 PM   #36 
  - no, since it's based on evidence nt  MannyGoldstein   Aug-14-10 02:08 PM   #74 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-15-10 12:22 AM   #131 
  - at least you're consistent manny. at least you're consistent.  dionysus   Aug-15-10 01:09 AM   #136 
     - Hopefully, a consistent messenger of what's going on nt  MannyGoldstein   Aug-15-10 07:55 AM   #145 
  - What the fuck does "protect" Social Security mean?  Dawgs   Aug-14-10 09:00 AM   #8 
  - You haven't been listening. The attack is full throttle.  Faygo Kid   Aug-14-10 09:06 AM   #9 
  - and those rabid republicans Obama put on his commission to deal with SS mean what exactly?  flyarm   Aug-15-10 12:32 AM   #132 
  - If Obama Opposes Ryans Social Security Plan, Why Did He Appoint Him to the Catfood Commission?  flyarm   Aug-15-10 01:49 AM   #140 
     - 'raising the retirement age to 70 is a 20% benefit cut' RIGHT. n/t  Mimosa   Aug-25-10 11:38 AM   #193 
  - "The Republicans want to live in gated communities and have the rest of us serve them"  Mimosa   Aug-25-10 11:35 AM   #192 
  - If the Repubs win back both houses of Congress, they could pass a bill  Honeycombe8   Aug-14-10 10:07 AM   #24 
     - There is no insolvency caused by there being too few workers ...  Hansel   Aug-14-10 06:42 PM   #104 
     - Bingo  senseandsensibility   Aug-15-10 12:19 AM   #130 
     - +1000  harun   Aug-25-10 11:04 AM   #189 
     - There is no insolvency. Fully funded for the next 25+ years.  Warren Stupidity   Aug-14-10 09:34 PM   #119 
     - My point is that "protecting" SS doesn't mean making it better.  Dawgs   Aug-15-10 08:15 AM   #146 
        - If he came out and made a strong speech on lowering the retirement  harun   Aug-25-10 11:05 AM   #190 
  - Dismantle his conservative catfood commission.  ipaint   Aug-14-10 09:14 AM   #12 
  - then they should  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 09:41 AM   #18 
  - Exactly. We're being fed a line of BS for sure. eom  NorthCarolina   Aug-14-10 04:01 PM   #84 
  - I've kind of reached that point as well.  Zenlitened   Aug-25-10 08:15 PM   #199 
  - unconvinced  ibegurpard   Aug-14-10 09:24 AM   #13 
  - So he's going to be a "fierce advocate" for social security?  ruggerson   Aug-14-10 09:27 AM   #14 
  - He always has been  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 09:41 AM   #17 
  - I'm perpetually hopeful  ruggerson   Aug-14-10 09:55 AM   #20 
  - Deleted, wrong place. n/t  ProSense   Aug-14-10 12:23 PM   #33 
  - "Obama doesn't use the bully pulpit enough!!"  JoePhilly   Aug-14-10 09:52 AM   #19 
  - Um, he's not standing at a bully pulpit just now, unfortunately.  Zenlitened   Aug-25-10 08:18 PM   #200 
  - I really hope he is Honest about this -- And not just Campaign Speaking....  denimgirly   Aug-14-10 10:00 AM   #21 
  - I certainly will give him the benefit of the doubt, but I HOPE he remembers this after the election.  old mark   Aug-14-10 10:20 AM   #25 
  - Mmmm-Hmmm just like he gave "everything he's got" on the HealthScare Corporate giveaway. nt  LaydeeBug   Aug-14-10 10:20 AM   #26 
  - spoken like someone with no pre-existing condition  Aramchek   Aug-14-10 12:26 PM   #35 
     - You think you're home tree? Think again.  eridani   Aug-14-10 04:00 PM   #83 
     - A lot of us who dislike the weak health INSURANCE reform we got --  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-25-10 11:02 AM   #188 
  - Will Obama veto a bill that would  Enthusiast   Aug-14-10 10:27 AM   #27 
  - He should veto it  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 12:32 PM   #39 
  - I'm sorry, but I disagree. President Obama has...  YvonneCa   Aug-14-10 12:34 PM   #40 
  - Raising the age might be alright  Enthusiast   Aug-14-10 04:27 PM   #86 
  - I agree and I really hope...  YvonneCa   Aug-14-10 07:53 PM   #110 
  - Raising the age is cutting the benefits.  Warren Stupidity   Aug-14-10 05:08 PM   #95 
  - There is no "problem"  Enthusiast   Aug-15-10 10:16 AM   #150 
  - Raising the age is incremental to ending S.S. as a viable program for working people  Mimosa   Aug-25-10 11:41 AM   #194 
  - He said he would not raise it now but after the election is over and  fogonthelake   Aug-14-10 01:24 PM   #57 
  - There has been a report?  Hansel   Aug-14-10 06:30 PM   #103 
     - I said after the election the cat commission will put out a report (on its findings). so  fogonthelake   Aug-14-10 07:03 PM   #107 
  - I seriously doubt you'd get such a pledge since that is likely the plan.  NorthCarolina   Aug-15-10 11:27 AM   #157 
     - My bet is that the plan is... Partial privatization.  inna   Aug-15-10 10:26 PM   #162 
  - NO BENEFIT CUTS  Hawkowl   Aug-14-10 10:29 AM   #28 
  - He also has to deal with...  YvonneCa   Aug-14-10 12:36 PM   #41 
     - Easy  Hawkowl   Aug-14-10 01:28 PM   #59 
        - That is the solution, Hawkowl. +1 nt  Enthusiast   Aug-14-10 04:30 PM   #87 
        - and get the fuck out of Afghanistan  Carolina   Aug-25-10 04:49 PM   #197 
  - After all the speculation, President Obama states definitively that he will protect Social Security  ProSense   Aug-14-10 12:15 PM   #32 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-10 12:27 PM   #37 
  - Not just Obama, the Democratic Party's policy is to protect SS  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 12:29 PM   #38 
  - Many people are used to and expect...  YvonneCa   Aug-14-10 12:39 PM   #43 
     - People have to be kept informed of the progress  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 12:41 PM   #44 
        - Isn't that what we here at DU...  YvonneCa   Aug-14-10 12:43 PM   #46 
  - What sort of cuts to Social Security do you support?  Marr   Aug-24-10 11:55 AM   #166 
  - Transcript  ProSense   Aug-14-10 12:24 PM   #34 
  - Funny, didn't he say he supported a public option as well?  MadHound   Aug-14-10 12:37 PM   #42 
  - Obama is a realist. I don't agree he went back on his...  YvonneCa   Aug-14-10 12:42 PM   #45 
  - Here ya go  MadHound   Aug-14-10 12:56 PM   #47 
     - So?  ProSense   Aug-14-10 01:00 PM   #49 
        - He made a flat out promise,  MadHound   Aug-14-10 01:03 PM   #52 
           - No, he didn't  ProSense   Aug-14-10 01:18 PM   #55 
              - I find it hard to believe that Obama supporters can listen to a simple declarative statement,  MadHound   Aug-14-10 01:29 PM   #60 
              - Did you want him to veto the health care bill? n/t  ProSense   Aug-14-10 01:33 PM   #62 
                 - Yes, starting a mandated monopoly given to the insurance industry  MadHound   Aug-14-10 01:41 PM   #64 
                    - Completely unrealistic, especially  ProSense   Aug-14-10 01:52 PM   #65 
                       - Well, you argue about your limitations long enough, and sure enough, they're yourse  MadHound   Aug-14-10 01:58 PM   #67 
                          - "None of the Dems, except for a few on the left. "  ProSense   Aug-14-10 02:00 PM   #68 
                          - No, actually I remember that the decision for a few of them was agonizing  MadHound   Aug-14-10 02:04 PM   #70 
                             - Here:  ProSense   Aug-14-10 02:14 PM   #75 
                                - Well, first off, we're going to have to have a little discussion about what constitutes "left"  MadHound   Aug-14-10 03:00 PM   #77 
                          - Dems were given a historic opportunity to pass...  YvonneCa   Aug-14-10 03:47 PM   #80 
                          - No, damnit, I would have him fucking fight  MadHound   Aug-14-10 05:04 PM   #93 
                             - you forget that this is only the beginning  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 07:18 PM   #109 
                                - No, actually I'm getting to the point where I really don't care about who wins  MadHound   Aug-14-10 11:45 PM   #125 
                          - "Explain to me how you are supposed to win anything if you don't fight for it. "  Zenlitened   Aug-25-10 08:49 PM   #206 
              - What an absurd defense. n/t  Marr   Aug-24-10 11:58 AM   #167 
  - Yes, he supported a public option.  ProSense   Aug-14-10 12:58 PM   #48 
  - So then that begs the question, why should we support the Democratic party?  MadHound   Aug-14-10 01:01 PM   #50 
  - Do what you want.  ProSense   Aug-14-10 01:02 PM   #51 
     - Nice to see so many people willing to lower their standards so readily  MadHound   Aug-14-10 01:05 PM   #53 
        - No, you want to give up  ProSense   Aug-14-10 01:11 PM   #54 
           - You are assuming that the left wants a progressive majority,  MadHound   Aug-14-10 01:25 PM   #58 
              - Reality  ProSense   Aug-14-10 01:32 PM   #61 
              - Way to fucking buy into the idea of Democratic hopelessness  MadHound   Aug-14-10 01:39 PM   #63 
                 - "Waaaah, waaaaah, fucking waaaaah."  ProSense   Aug-14-10 01:53 PM   #66 
                    - That's what it sounds like  MadHound   Aug-14-10 02:02 PM   #69 
                       - What you do is up to you.  ProSense   Aug-14-10 02:04 PM   #71 
                          - Ah, so now expecting a President to keep his promises is considered "unrealistic expectations"  MadHound   Aug-14-10 02:08 PM   #73 
                             - "why you're seeing a growing withdrawal of the left from the big tent"  ProSense   Aug-14-10 02:17 PM   #76 
                             - Well, hey, keep whistling past that graveyard.  MadHound   Aug-14-10 03:02 PM   #78 
                             - Christ.  phleshdef   Aug-14-10 08:55 PM   #115 
                                - Then you fucking filibuster goddamn it,  MadHound   Aug-14-10 11:51 PM   #126 
                                   - The rules of the Senate do not require that of a filibuster.  phleshdef   Aug-15-10 10:28 AM   #152 
                                      - Actually the rules of the Senate allow the Democrats to force a filibusters  MadHound   Aug-15-10 10:50 AM   #154 
              - "What we would like is a bone thrown our way ...  YvonneCa   Aug-14-10 03:58 PM   #81 
              - Really? You think that we're getting any sort of reward on the left?  MadHound   Aug-14-10 05:08 PM   #96 
                 - I won't get you started on education...  YvonneCa   Aug-14-10 08:03 PM   #111 
              - One thing is that decisions are made at the top in the party  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 04:53 PM   #91 
                 - I agree with everything you say,  MadHound   Aug-14-10 11:55 PM   #127 
  - He did not campaign on one, but did support the idea after he was elected.  Hansel   Aug-14-10 06:22 PM   #100 
  - Actually he did campaign on a public option  MadHound   Aug-15-10 12:06 AM   #128 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-25-10 04:54 PM   #198 
  - Actually, if he had done what many Presidents who have successfully passed  rpannier   Aug-25-10 09:06 PM   #207 
     - Oh, you and your wish for a magic wand!!!1  Zenlitened   Aug-26-10 11:54 AM   #208 
  - There weren't 60 Senate votes for a PO. There also aren't 60 votes for privatizing SS.  phleshdef   Aug-14-10 08:45 PM   #113 
     - Ah yes, sixty, the new Democratic magic number,  MadHound   Aug-15-10 12:08 AM   #129 
        - Not true. The Bush tax cuts never would have had an expiration date if that were the case.  phleshdef   Aug-15-10 10:26 AM   #151 
           - So in the interest of wanting "government to actually govern" the Dems allowed  MadHound   Aug-15-10 10:54 AM   #155 
  - From pirvatization, sure. I believe him on that.  eridani   Aug-14-10 03:59 PM   #82 
  - He also didn't promise not to sign an executive order to end SS immediately.  Hansel   Aug-14-10 06:25 PM   #101 
     - Maybe you trust a gang of sociopathic hacks--  eridani   Aug-15-10 05:01 AM   #142 
  - Great politics! Gloves coming off.  gulliver   Aug-14-10 04:09 PM   #85 
  - Older people will be very afraid at this revelation that Repubs are going to privatize it  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 04:36 PM   #88 
  - Nice words if he carries through.  Jakes Progress   Aug-14-10 04:45 PM   #90 
  - I believe more can be done with HCR it's not the end of the road  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 04:59 PM   #92 
  - You are absolutely correct.  Hansel   Aug-14-10 06:29 PM   #102 
  - Sorry. It wasn't us that gave up  Jakes Progress   Aug-14-10 10:37 PM   #124 
  - The bill doesn't need strengthening, it needs to be scraped  TheKentuckian   Aug-24-10 05:18 PM   #168 
  - So capitulation before battle  Jakes Progress   Aug-14-10 10:35 PM   #123 
  - Just words, just speeches.  smalll   Aug-25-10 04:33 AM   #183 
  - You know? It's not up to him, them, it's up to us and it's a program the people want. We SAY  SugarShack   Aug-14-10 06:45 PM   #106 
  - If this was said to reassure me, it's having the opposite effect.  Usrename   Aug-14-10 07:06 PM   #108 
  - lol n/t  lordsummerisle   Aug-14-10 08:39 PM   #112 
  - oh no  Skittles   Aug-14-10 08:49 PM   #114 
  - Then you must fire your Catfood Commission and remove the cap on FICA taxes  Hawkeye-X   Aug-14-10 09:01 PM   #116 
  - Bingo  midnight armadillo   Aug-24-10 08:24 PM   #171 
  - K&R  IndianaGreen   Aug-24-10 08:49 PM   #173 
  - I hope he defends it better than his stance on the mosque at GZ.  OwnedByFerrets   Aug-14-10 10:11 PM   #120 
  - If it comes right down to it, he might negotiate with the repubs at least on raising reirement age.  craigmatic   Aug-14-10 10:33 PM   #122 
  - Good to hear but privatization isn't the only fear.Raising age limites and reducing benefits  saracat   Aug-15-10 01:01 AM   #134 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-15-10 01:10 AM   #137 
  - Yes that's the game plan  jeanpalmer   Aug-15-10 05:44 AM   #143 
  - Exactly.  ipaint   Aug-15-10 08:16 AM   #147 
  - I'll believe it when I see it. Until then no dice. Once burned, thrice shy. n/t  Catherina   Aug-15-10 02:28 AM   #141 
  - The whole idea of the commission stacked with fiscal conservatives  hulka38   Aug-15-10 09:16 AM   #148 
  - The commission is the brain child of billionaire Pete Peterson.  ipaint   Aug-15-10 10:34 PM   #163 
  - General Statement On Our Expextations  Steely_Dan   Aug-15-10 10:29 AM   #153 
  - This is a great post. I hope you will repost...  YvonneCa   Aug-15-10 01:16 PM   #158 
  - then replace Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson as co-chairs  IndianaGreen   Aug-24-10 05:37 PM   #169 
  - Privatization = straw-man. eom  NorthCarolina   Aug-24-10 08:36 PM   #172 
  - Social Security is ALREADY in the RED this year!  golfguru   Aug-24-10 08:59 PM   #174 
  - Well, I'm Confused  Steely_Dan   Aug-25-10 01:35 AM   #177 
  - It is easy to be confused about social security surplus  golfguru   Aug-25-10 08:58 AM   #184 
  - You are not confused, you are correct in questioning the lies floating around out there.  Zenlitened   Aug-26-10 12:13 PM   #209 
  - Abolish FICA and Pay All S.S. Proceeds Out of the General Fund!  LAGC   Aug-25-10 01:43 AM   #178 
     - Not sure if the rich can cover $60 trillion in future liabilities  golfguru   Aug-25-10 09:05 AM   #185 
        - What does your $60 trillion figure refer to? - n/t  Zenlitened   Aug-26-10 12:18 PM   #210 
  - Be afraid. Be very afraid.  Skittles   Aug-25-10 02:50 AM   #179 
  - And who did Obama appoint to the catfood commission?  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-25-10 10:49 AM   #186 
  - I believe he will do just that. nt  Hekate   Aug-25-10 03:57 AM   #181 
  - "With everything I've got" -- and then he'll end up telling us, "I got nothin'" --  smalll   Aug-25-10 04:11 AM   #182 
  - I guess my question is, what have you got? nt  old mark   Aug-25-10 01:00 PM   #195 
  - yeah, that's right  Carolina   Aug-25-10 04:42 PM   #196 
  - Will he fiercely advocate that no changes are made to Social Security?  bullwinkle428   Aug-26-10 01:04 PM   #211 
  - I'm sensing some "fierce advocacy" here.  donco6   Aug-26-10 02:09 PM   #212 
  - uh huh  ibegurpard   Aug-26-10 05:23 PM   #213 
 

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