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Tue Aug-10-10 09:49 AM
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| 86. I supported Obama in the primary |
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after he rightly pointed out that Clinton had not succeeded in changing the political rhetoric or political trajectory in the US from the entrenched Reagan ideology.
I did expect to see much more progress from Obama on this very important front.
What have we seen instead? On most issues, essentially the same failed approaches that Clinton used - groveling before the Reaganistas for crumbs of little consequence that will not succeed in reversing the ever rightward moving ideological course we seem to be locked into.
Indeed, the predominant political rhetoric and trajectory seems to have moved much further to the right, and at mind boggling speed, since Jan 20, 2009, than at any time during my life.
Obama may be changing a few things here and there behind the scenes, bureaucratically. The problem is, that just as with Clinton's surpluses and success in starting to pay down the national debt, which he failed to have codified, small liberalizing adjustments in federal agency rules and operations can, in one fell swoop, be easily undone by the next asshole right winger who manages to get himself into the White House.
Reaganism changed the country from being liberal and became entrenched because he and his cohorts extolled the "virtues of conservatism." Even though there aren't any. They accomplished this in a country that had outright scorned and rejected conservatism for decades, exemplified by the landslide of LBJ over Goldwater just 16 years previously. Goldwater was rejected because people feared he was too conservative - today he would be called a leftist by the predominant political community of pols and pundits.
Obama and cohorts bash liberalism. How are we going to change things if our "leaders" bash us and what we stand for?
Since Obama had articulated the Clinton failure, I did not expect to see him do the same thing! I did expect to see him make more progress and put much more effort into changing the ideological trajectory away from the right wing cliff.
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| -White House unloads anger over criticism by ‘professional left’ |
babylonsister |
Aug-10-10 07:09 AM |
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Fuck Gibbs |
CBGLuthier |
Aug-10-10 07:10 AM |
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And in less than a minute, you proved his point. Congrats! nt |
babylonsister |
Aug-10-10 07:13 AM |
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FUck Gibbs #2 |
Dinger |
Aug-10-10 08:21 AM |
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Aug-10-10 08:53 AM |
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"...treasonous fucking piece of shit who gave us 4 more years of the Bush Crime Family..." |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-10-10 09:08 AM |
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You need to recognize the difference |
tishaLA |
Aug-10-10 09:16 AM |
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D'oh... |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-10-10 09:20 AM |
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So many people are happy to assume comments likeGibb's are about them - which is completely |
Pirate Smile |
Aug-10-10 09:59 AM |
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What he did to Howard Dean, is something I take VERY personally |
Sebastian Doyle |
Aug-10-10 10:32 AM |
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The Obamas are joined at the hip with the Bush Crime Family? |
BeyondGeography |
Aug-10-10 09:11 AM |
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ok, that's just over the top stupidly funny |
Sheepshank |
Aug-10-10 09:58 AM |
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Fuck Gibbs #4 |
Individualist |
Aug-10-10 10:57 AM |
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Hmmm... maybe it's true that Obama will appoint Warren to CFPA |
MannyGoldstein |
Aug-10-10 07:14 AM |
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I'm concerned that a 15 year prisoner who was tortured and threatened |
Warren Stupidity |
Aug-10-10 07:15 AM |
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Why do you want to eliminate the Pentagon? nt |
MannyGoldstein |
Aug-10-10 07:15 AM |
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Ha...Gibbsy... |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-10-10 07:15 AM |
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Let them do something to earn the support of the left and it will be there. After being lied |
T Wolf |
Aug-10-10 07:17 AM |
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That's what you're sincerely hoping for. I'm not! nt |
babylonsister |
Aug-10-10 07:18 AM |
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What I WAS hoping for was someone who would take advantage of a singular moment in |
T Wolf |
Aug-10-10 07:51 AM |
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There is progress, |
SunsetDreams |
Aug-10-10 08:14 AM |
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I could not have said it better!!!! |
archiemo |
Aug-10-10 11:53 AM |
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Rec'd |
firedupdem |
Aug-10-10 07:18 AM |
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exactly |
SunsetDreams |
Aug-10-10 07:31 AM |
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Agree. I think we'd all like to have a progressive president but |
Fire1 |
Aug-10-10 09:23 AM |
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+1000 ITRS "It's The Republicans Stupids" nt |
flamingdem |
Aug-10-10 09:43 AM |
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Well said Robert Gibbs. |
jaxx |
Aug-10-10 07:22 AM |
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Last night was a good example of the chronic and constant complaining. Katrina tweets that |
Pirate Smile |
Aug-10-10 07:23 AM |
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I think this recent post applies to this.... |
disillusioned73 |
Aug-10-10 07:35 AM |
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"They wouldn’t be satisfied if Dennis Kucinich was president" |
alcibiades_mystery |
Aug-10-10 07:35 AM |
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Aug-10-10 07:50 AM |
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So true |
SunsetDreams |
Aug-10-10 07:55 AM |
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BINGO!! We have a winner!!! n/t |
Fire1 |
Aug-10-10 09:19 AM |
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And Dennis Would Split The Dem Party In Two |
Yavin4 |
Aug-10-10 09:25 AM |
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Exactly n/t |
tammywammy |
Aug-10-10 09:04 AM |
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Make it a reality |
shirlden |
Aug-10-10 07:45 AM |
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Gibbs has already said that HCR |
Sheepshank |
Aug-10-10 10:04 AM |
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It will be up to some other administration to do HCR as this one |
dflprincess |
Aug-10-10 10:43 AM |
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LOL- glub, glub Gibbs showing his true colors |
depakid |
Aug-10-10 07:47 AM |
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Looks to me like he handled it quite well. |
jaxx |
Aug-10-10 07:53 AM |
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Typical Obama administration, I'll hand that to you |
depakid |
Aug-10-10 07:57 AM |
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Hey Gibbs, you are welcome that the left got you your job. Ungrateful ass. |
moksha |
Aug-10-10 09:11 AM |
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Good for you, Gibbs! |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Aug-10-10 07:52 AM |
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I don't consider what he passed 'healthcare reform' - it was health INSURANCE reform. |
Triana |
Aug-10-10 07:56 AM |
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PeeEss: suck elephant balls, Gibbs. And, furthermore, YES we would |
Triana |
Aug-10-10 07:59 AM |
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Brilliant "strategy, eh? |
depakid |
Aug-10-10 08:07 AM |
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No Shit (nt) |
Dinger |
Aug-10-10 08:23 AM |
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Not very well considered I'd say. |
Triana |
Aug-10-10 08:37 AM |
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grate timing, I say. |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Aug-10-10 11:02 AM |
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Health insurance pays for health care. No one cares what you consider it. |
phleshdef |
Aug-10-10 09:01 AM |
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medicare ought to be paying for health CARE not for-profit 'insurance' |
Triana |
Aug-10-10 09:46 AM |
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So you are discussing one funding mechanism over another. |
phleshdef |
Aug-10-10 10:09 AM |
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I think many will miss the reasoning |
Sheepshank |
Aug-10-10 10:23 AM |
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Yes, the goal of single payer and the goal of a public/private hybrid are the same... |
phleshdef |
Aug-10-10 10:36 AM |
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Kick |
jaxx |
Aug-10-10 08:06 AM |
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Oh I'm So Scared! Gibbs Is Mad, Oh No! |
Dinger |
Aug-10-10 08:22 AM |
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I don't think he was trying to scare anyone. |
ProSense |
Aug-10-10 08:28 AM |
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He's absolutely correct. This is the bullshit coming from the |
ProSense |
Aug-10-10 08:27 AM |
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Maybe The Lefties Will Unload In November ('10, '12) |
Dinger |
Aug-10-10 08:33 AM |
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Why are some people working so hard to distort everything the President does? |
ProSense |
Aug-10-10 08:39 AM |
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That's Not What I'm Trying to Do, But |
Dinger |
Aug-10-10 08:51 AM |
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No, you stop. |
ProSense |
Aug-10-10 08:56 AM |
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Make Me (nt) |
Dinger |
Aug-10-10 09:01 AM |
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Judging from the recent uptick in " I'm taking my vote and going elsewhere" rhetoric |
Sheepshank |
Aug-10-10 10:12 AM |
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Fine. Give your vote to someone who "earned" it. |
treestar |
Aug-10-10 10:26 AM |
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Many of them have already said they are |
grantcart |
Aug-10-10 11:39 AM |
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K&R |
BklnDem75 |
Aug-10-10 08:39 AM |
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A-MEN. It's about time. |
impik |
Aug-10-10 08:41 AM |
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It boggles my mind that some here applaud this horseshit. |
redsoxrudy |
Aug-10-10 08:43 AM |
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Oh, but it's okay to applaud the anti-Obama horseshit? n/t |
ProSense |
Aug-10-10 08:46 AM |
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+1000 |
BklnDem75 |
Aug-10-10 09:14 AM |
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+ Infinity + 1 |
Yavin4 |
Aug-10-10 09:28 AM |
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+1 |
LostinVA |
Aug-10-10 08:49 AM |
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please show where you were called a fucking retard |
Sheepshank |
Aug-10-10 10:18 AM |
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"Professional" leftists? How many commentators are paid to be lefties ... |
philly_bob |
Aug-10-10 08:45 AM |
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"professional" in this instance doesn't necessarily mean "paid." |
wyldwolf |
Aug-10-10 09:15 AM |
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Your definition includes (a) occupation, (b) livelihood, (c) gain. |
philly_bob |
Aug-10-10 02:26 PM |
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It isn't "my" definition - it's the dictionary's |
wyldwolf |
Aug-10-10 03:24 PM |
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Let's agree to disagree. I identify more with the left. Will vote Dem, tho. (nt) |
philly_bob |
Aug-10-10 03:54 PM |
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Fall DNC Campaign: WE ARE RIGHTWING TOO! |
Warren Stupidity |
Aug-10-10 08:47 AM |
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Weak. Straw-man argument. |
Laelth |
Aug-10-10 08:47 AM |
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Nope. Some people will never change. |
ProSense |
Aug-10-10 08:49 AM |
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Aug-10-10 08:54 AM |
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What an asshole. Fuck 'em. |
moksha |
Aug-10-10 08:55 AM |
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Hi, welcome back to DU. |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-10-10 09:10 AM |
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Gibbs is 100% correct.. We have a segment of the left that lives to play the victim. |
phleshdef |
Aug-10-10 09:05 AM |
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I think this is a weeder thread, but |
Dinger |
Aug-10-10 09:06 AM |
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Weeder thread? |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-10-10 09:09 AM |
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"Real" Democrats don't support a Democratic President or Democratic Congress - don't 'cha ya know! |
Pirate Smile |
Aug-10-10 10:04 AM |
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eliminated the Pentagon. ??? I think Not !!! |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Aug-10-10 09:13 AM |
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Well, on the other hand..... |
Sebastian Doyle |
Aug-10-10 09:19 AM |
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take religion out of it. and, Yes, aesthetically the Pentagon is displeasing to the eye |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Aug-10-10 09:26 AM |
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this isn't sincere, it's strategy |
Enrique |
Aug-10-10 09:15 AM |
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"it's a lie to say the critics are saying Obama is the same as Bush" |
ProSense |
Aug-10-10 09:25 AM |
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Ha....I have seen that one more then a few times. |
Jennicut |
Aug-10-10 09:49 AM |
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Some criticisms are valid. |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-10-10 09:26 AM |
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You know, Dems need to stick together at this stage |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Aug-10-10 09:15 AM |
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Professional Lefties Remind Me of Al Davis, Owner of the Raiders |
Yavin4 |
Aug-10-10 09:21 AM |
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Aug-10-10 09:30 AM |
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The fact that the president hasn't gone after the conservatives in the Democratic Party |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Aug-10-10 09:23 AM |
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And If He Did, Then NOTHING Would Get Done |
Yavin4 |
Aug-10-10 09:31 AM |
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Well said, Yavin4. nt |
babylonsister |
Aug-10-10 11:47 AM |
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But, you can bash liberals all day and night and expect us to just sit back and take it? |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Aug-10-10 04:02 PM |
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"Gone after???" Gone after how? Like in round them up and throw |
Kahuna |
Aug-10-10 12:01 PM |
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You know what I'm talking about. The administration never asks the conservatives |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Aug-10-10 04:04 PM |
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To quote "professional left(ist)" Michael Moore... |
wyldwolf |
Aug-10-10 09:26 AM |
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we do have to be realistic now |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Aug-10-10 09:30 AM |
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thanks for that link |
SunsetDreams |
Aug-10-10 09:46 AM |
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That is exactly the point. Hopfully this post will be read by those who need to read it. |
tridim |
Aug-10-10 09:54 AM |
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Michael Moore is DEAD to me!!!! |
Kahuna |
Aug-10-10 12:03 PM |
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Gibbs went to the extreme and he should have kept it to himself but on the whole he's right |
WI_DEM |
Aug-10-10 09:34 AM |
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He's not right because it's not just the "far left" |
DirkGently |
Aug-10-10 01:22 PM |
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That's an awful lot of commentary for a supposed interview |
killbotfactory |
Aug-10-10 09:35 AM |
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I supported Obama in the primary |
WyLoochka |
Aug-10-10 09:49 AM |
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He must be reading DU |
Sheepshank |
Aug-10-10 09:57 AM |
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Fuck him n/t |
Catherina |
Aug-10-10 10:44 AM |
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Ouch. Embarrassing. He comes off so petulant and defensive |
DirkGently |
Aug-10-10 11:00 AM |
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I could tell something went down by the threads that went up. |
CakeGrrl |
Aug-10-10 11:49 AM |
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Yep. Same as it ever was. But here's some good news, from |
babylonsister |
Aug-10-10 12:33 PM |
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Which makes an attack on liberals all the more self-destructive |
DirkGently |
Aug-10-10 12:46 PM |
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lol? You characterize what he said as an attack? That's your |
babylonsister |
Aug-10-10 12:52 PM |
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How would you characterize calling the left "crazy" and in need |
DirkGently |
Aug-10-10 01:07 PM |
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He did NOT call the left crazy; reading comprehension |
babylonsister |
Aug-10-10 01:31 PM |
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"The press secretary dismissed the “professional left” " |
DirkGently |
Aug-10-10 01:55 PM |
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