polmaven
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Sat Aug-07-10 03:20 PM
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I keep forgetting that Bill Clinton was the worst president ever to be elected in this country.
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| -Why the Obama administration is stuck strongly defending DOMA -- and it's not politics. |
pnwmom |
Aug-07-10 10:48 AM |
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Many of us have been saying the Prop 8 case is the strongest vehicle |
ruggerson |
Aug-07-10 10:58 AM |
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DOMA was always a timebomb on precisely this point |
alcibiades_mystery |
Aug-07-10 11:29 AM |
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DOMA was passed with overwhelming veto proof majorities |
ruggerson |
Aug-07-10 11:35 AM |
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He should have vetoed it |
alcibiades_mystery |
Aug-07-10 11:53 AM |
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It's completely irrelevant to what is happening today |
ruggerson |
Aug-07-10 11:57 AM |
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I have no idea what you mean |
alcibiades_mystery |
Aug-07-10 01:23 PM |
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There is nothing about any problem "built into the structure of the law" |
ruggerson |
Aug-07-10 07:28 PM |
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The judge's decision points up the problem with the structure of the law |
alcibiades_mystery |
Aug-07-10 07:51 PM |
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Again |
ruggerson |
Aug-07-10 11:36 PM |
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why such a large majority? |
MH1 |
Aug-07-10 11:55 AM |
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Senator Kerry's anti-DOMA speech was magnificent n/t |
ruggerson |
Aug-07-10 11:58 AM |
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the enviroment was a lot different then |
dsc |
Aug-07-10 12:12 PM |
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I should have read your post first. You said it better than I did. |
pnwmom |
Aug-07-10 12:35 PM |
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At the time, there was a serious concern that if it wasn't passed in Congress, |
pnwmom |
Aug-07-10 12:34 PM |
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It's tough to believe BClinton on DOMA when he bragged about signing it in a 1996 radio ad. |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-07-10 01:55 PM |
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Apparently there are some flawed memories... |
polmaven |
Aug-07-10 02:19 PM |
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"The country was in a much different place then." |
ProSense |
Aug-07-10 02:32 PM |
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don't even get me started on Clinton |
ibegurpard |
Aug-07-10 03:14 PM |
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that is flat out non sense |
dsc |
Aug-07-10 03:25 PM |
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What the hell does that have to do with the fact that Hillary doesn't support gay marriage? n/t |
ProSense |
Aug-07-10 03:58 PM |
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you editted your post after I started for one thing |
dsc |
Aug-07-10 04:27 PM |
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Your comment is almost one hour after the edit. n/t |
ProSense |
Aug-07-10 04:29 PM |
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I, belive it or not, have a life |
dsc |
Aug-07-10 05:22 PM |
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Your claim about the edit wasn't accurate, |
ProSense |
Aug-07-10 06:07 PM |
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yes it was |
dsc |
Aug-07-10 06:21 PM |
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"I started my answer before you editted. " Disingenuous much? |
ProSense |
Aug-07-10 06:27 PM |
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No it isn't disingenuous |
dsc |
Aug-07-10 06:51 PM |
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"In short, I am not going to discuss Hillary Clinton." |
ProSense |
Aug-07-10 07:00 PM |
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the post was about how it was different now than in 1996 |
dsc |
Aug-07-10 07:07 PM |
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Why not focus on NOW? Why is this being used as an excuse to dump on Clinton, |
pnwmom |
Aug-07-10 05:16 PM |
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Because they don't give a shit about this issue - they just use it to play politiical games n/t |
ruggerson |
Aug-07-10 05:26 PM |
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+1000000 |
QC |
Aug-07-10 05:27 PM |
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I notice that I'm back down to zero recs. The only reason I care, |
pnwmom |
Aug-07-10 05:38 PM |
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This from someone |
ProSense |
Aug-07-10 06:17 PM |
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Has he made a move to repeal DOMA? |
ruggerson |
Aug-07-10 06:59 PM |
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That's bullshit |
alcibiades_mystery |
Aug-07-10 07:08 PM |
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It's the Dems "abortion" issue. Like a cat with a string. |
donco6 |
Aug-08-10 09:11 AM |
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Still and all, it would be nice to be able to point to someone |
truedelphi |
Aug-07-10 03:11 PM |
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Obama has said that he plans on repealing DOMA. He's just slow on the ball---not a coward. |
vaberella |
Aug-07-10 06:12 PM |
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anything not done in this Congress for gays won't be done at all during his term |
dsc |
Aug-07-10 11:58 PM |
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A Constitutional Amendment |
polmaven |
Aug-07-10 02:08 PM |
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Oy vey |
alcibiades_mystery |
Aug-07-10 02:30 PM |
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Oh, that's right! |
polmaven |
Aug-07-10 02:35 PM |
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Veto |
ProSense |
Aug-07-10 02:38 PM |
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The bill passed the Senate |
polmaven |
Aug-07-10 03:15 PM |
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That was DOMA, and so |
ProSense |
Aug-07-10 03:17 PM |
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Like I said.... |
polmaven |
Aug-07-10 03:20 PM |
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Oh brother. n/t |
ProSense |
Aug-07-10 03:20 PM |
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you can't veto Constitutional amendments |
dsc |
Aug-07-10 03:29 PM |
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He could have vetoed DOMA, and |
ProSense |
Aug-07-10 04:00 PM |
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and it would have passed anyway |
dsc |
Aug-07-10 04:29 PM |
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How many votes did the Constitutional amendment get? n/t |
ProSense |
Aug-07-10 04:35 PM |
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In 2006 it got 49 |
dsc |
Aug-07-10 05:21 PM |
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Is 49 a super majority? |
ProSense |
Aug-07-10 06:08 PM |
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If you aren't going to read posts then please state it up front |
dsc |
Aug-07-10 06:24 PM |
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How many votes did it get in 1996? |
ProSense |
Aug-07-10 06:29 PM |
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Aug-07-10 06:46 PM |
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No you didn't, but it's obvious you're frustrated because |
ProSense |
Aug-07-10 06:58 PM |
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Aug-07-10 07:05 PM |
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Come on, dsc |
alcibiades_mystery |
Aug-07-10 07:15 PM |
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He signed it because it would have passed anyway |
dsc |
Aug-07-10 11:14 PM |
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Clinton was great on many things...on this he was a coward at the least, a political opportunist |
alcibiades_mystery |
Aug-07-10 07:12 PM |
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See post #68 above |
ruggerson |
Aug-07-10 07:32 PM |
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yes, yes... |
ibegurpard |
Aug-07-10 01:57 PM |
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Yeah, just like Schwarzenegger and Brown were forced to strongly defend Prop 8 |
jgraz |
Aug-07-10 02:59 PM |
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Schwarzenegger is your hero? |
ProSense |
Aug-07-10 03:16 PM |
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Aug-07-10 03:32 PM |
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you don't even make a bit of sense any more. |
inna |
Aug-07-10 04:03 PM |
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What is that you can't understand: |
ProSense |
Aug-07-10 04:30 PM |
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Fred Phelps is your hero? |
jgraz |
Aug-07-10 09:14 PM |
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Did you even read the actual post? If you had, you should know the situations aren't comparable. |
pnwmom |
Aug-07-10 05:28 PM |
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Did you even read the actual Obama DOMA brief? |
jgraz |
Aug-07-10 06:41 PM |
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Well, the ruling in question did make a 10th Amendment argument. |
pnwmom |
Aug-07-10 06:50 PM |
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You guys are talking apples and oranges |
ruggerson |
Aug-07-10 07:08 PM |
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THANKS, Ruggerson, for the clarification! You are right that I was referring to the |
pnwmom |
Aug-07-10 07:14 PM |
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This will be a helluva lot less confusing when gay marriage is legal everywhere. |
jgraz |
Aug-07-10 10:41 PM |
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