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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 06:45 AM
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19. None of us knows what is going to happen, because
there aren't any crystal balls out there effective enough to let us see the future.

"As things look now" is the best instrument we have for prognostication, and at the moment the mechanism of participatory government still lies with county political organizations -- your local Democratic Party officials and volunteers. Same for the Pukes.

If there is a primary challenge to a sitting president it often comes in U.S. history when there is a compelling national shift against that president and it usually rides the imperative of a larger issue, and that issue would likely have to have generated critical mass -- or come fairly close -- in order for the challenge to take hold.

I think of Eugene McCarthy, for example, riding the wave of anti-war sentiment among Democrats in 1968. Johnson was out of the race by March of that year.

"As things look now," there is no compelling issue to divide the county Democratic organizations with the likely result of a challenge from the left to President Obama. Instead, I think the more serious threat could come from Michael Bloomberg, or rather Michael Bloomberg's money, in forming a third party advertising a non-Bagger coalition of "problem-solving bipartisans." The Far Right Baggers are not going to take hold because they are too angry, too unfocused, too shrill, and too loud. The best the Left offers are people way too smart and politically savvy to take on a popular president, especially absent an issue around which to define a campaign. There is also no infrastructure for a Left challenge, inside or outside the Democratic Party. If there were, Cynthia McKinney would be in the White House as we speak.

I don't think 'purity tests' are the issue. I think nuts-and-bolts political logistics and money are the issue, and "as things look now," that landscape overwhelmingly suggests that there will be no challenger to Obama on the left.
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  -My current plan is to vote for him in 2012, alright? Stop the fucking purity tests already. cherokeeprogressive  Jul-29-10 01:58 AM   #0 
  - I'm with ya  ericinne   Jul-29-10 02:04 AM   #1 
  - I agree with you  Bryn   Jul-29-10 02:08 AM   #2 
  - the issue isn't whether you can vote for a challenger but that there will be no serious  JI7   Jul-29-10 02:08 AM   #3 
  - I thought I already made that a non-issue. No challenger? Then I hold my nose and vote for Obama.  cherokeeprogressive   Jul-29-10 02:13 AM   #4 
     - The rule is that you have to vote for the certain Democrat I want.  gateley   Jul-29-10 02:22 AM   #5 
     - It's an OP I wish I never felt compelled to post.  cherokeeprogressive   Jul-29-10 02:41 AM   #8 
        - I understand your frustration. It appears (to us) to be such a simple,  gateley   Jul-29-10 02:52 AM   #10 
        - No kidding.  Ignis   Jul-29-10 12:38 PM   #36 
     - i don't see the point of the whole thing  JI7   Jul-29-10 02:32 AM   #6 
        - Then I guess I could never explain it to you.  cherokeeprogressive   Jul-29-10 02:43 AM   #9 
  - Maddening, isn't it?  DRoseDARs   Jul-29-10 02:37 AM   #7 
  - No Democrat would challenge a sitting D-President. Never happen.  Lil Missy   Jul-29-10 03:01 AM   #11 
  - They said the same thing about Kennedy vs. Carter in 1976.  Pab Sungenis   Jul-29-10 04:12 AM   #14 
  - I think she means no SANE Democrat...  BklnDem75   Jul-29-10 06:20 AM   #16 
  - So you are saying that Ted Kennedy was insane?  Bluenorthwest   Jul-29-10 08:18 AM   #24 
     - That's nice. I respect Ted  BklnDem75   Jul-29-10 08:34 AM   #27 
     - Or his brother, for that matter?  Sebastian Doyle   Jul-29-10 12:46 PM   #37 
  - McCarthy's challenge to Johnson was more successful  saltpoint   Jul-29-10 06:59 AM   #21 
  - You must have forgotten about Ted Kennedy challenging Jimmy Carter.  Beacool   Aug-07-10 08:39 PM   #51 
  - Not true. If Obama appears to be vulnerable, and if they can raise money, any number of  totodeinhere   Aug-08-10 02:18 PM   #61 
  - it is those who would throw us queers to the repukes to punish  nofurylike   Jul-29-10 03:16 AM   #12 
  - That's what counts, when it comes down to it.  Unvanguard   Jul-29-10 03:33 AM   # 
  - Duplicate. n/t  Unvanguard   Jul-29-10 03:33 AM   #13 
  - My current plan is to get through 2010 and make  Sherman A1   Jul-29-10 04:25 AM   #15 
  - You got it twisted  BklnDem75   Jul-29-10 06:32 AM   #17 
  - Please explain how 'realists' claim their policy is dictated  Bluenorthwest   Jul-29-10 08:29 AM   #25 
     - Are we talking about Obama or Dems?  BklnDem75   Jul-29-10 09:14 AM   #29 
        - Well I see things as they are ..............  socialist_n_TN   Aug-08-10 09:09 PM   #64 
  - K & R  Dinger   Jul-29-10 06:38 AM   #18 
  - None of us knows what is going to happen, because  saltpoint   Jul-29-10 06:45 AM   #19 
  - +1  LostinVA   Jul-29-10 06:50 AM   #20 
  - I will vote for candidates that meet my standards. He does not.  VMI Dem   Jul-29-10 07:08 AM   #22 
  - IF the GOP and tea partiers are more motivated they win - simple  stray cat   Jul-29-10 07:36 AM   #23 
  - 2000 was stolen  Bluenorthwest   Jul-29-10 08:32 AM   #26 
     - It depends on how you look at it. You could make a case that getting GWB into the White House was a  totodeinhere   Aug-08-10 02:21 PM   #62 
  - A big part of the reason Obama won was because he ran on hope, not fear.  Forkboy   Jul-29-10 08:35 AM   #28 
  - +1  LostinVA   Aug-08-10 12:21 PM   #59 
  - wouldn't be such a big deal if there weren't so many people here advocating against the dems daily.  dionysus   Jul-29-10 09:28 AM   #30 
  - These people have been told repeatedy that they're pretty much irrelevant anyways.  Forkboy   Jul-29-10 10:07 AM   #33 
     - i think it's annoyance with that fact that on a democratic site, you've gotta put up  dionysus   Jul-29-10 11:25 AM   #34 
        - That only bothers me when it's untrue.  Forkboy   Jul-29-10 01:20 PM   #38 
           - well, you said before the sane place usually ends up being offline.  dionysus   Jul-29-10 01:22 PM   #39 
           - LOL  Forkboy   Jul-29-10 01:24 PM   #40 
              - what could unify us all... an alien invasion? maybe for 5 minutes...  dionysus   Jul-29-10 01:29 PM   #41 
                 - We'd argue over who to support even then, the Greys or Reptillians.  Forkboy   Jul-29-10 01:59 PM   #45 
                    - rofl, most likely...  dionysus   Jul-29-10 02:19 PM   #46 
           - +1 Now, that's what I'm talking about.  Kind of Blue   Aug-07-10 10:04 PM   #56 
  - "if you're not with us"  Peacetrain   Jul-29-10 09:34 AM   #31 
  - You'd be more effective focusing on your Senators or Congressmen  treestar   Jul-29-10 10:03 AM   #32 
  - Well that's good, it will be a vote for Obama then as he is the strongest campaign fund raiser in  ProgressOnTheMove   Jul-29-10 11:44 AM   #35 
  - Well that's nice, especially since chances are Obama will not be challenged in the democratic  WI_DEM   Jul-29-10 01:34 PM   #42 
  - the closest DU has to a purity test is gay marriage  Enrique   Jul-29-10 01:37 PM   #43 
  - "If he doesn't do it fast enough, he's outta here!"  CakeGrrl   Jul-29-10 01:41 PM   #44 
  - This is America. You have a right to vote for Kucinich and a right to stick a fork in an outlet.  tranche   Jul-29-10 03:57 PM   #47 
  - People seem pretty eager to stick me into all kinds of places!  Forkboy   Jul-29-10 05:33 PM   #49 
  - NO. We need daily affirmations and re-consecrations.  Jakes Progress   Jul-29-10 04:12 PM   #48 
  - Ok fair enough  DonCoquixote   Aug-07-10 08:35 PM   #50 
  - Rules?  Beacool   Aug-07-10 08:43 PM   #52 
  - Yup. No one can tell you what to do...especially on a message board!  Jennicut   Aug-07-10 08:45 PM   #53 
     - Hi, Jenni!!!  Beacool   Aug-08-10 12:09 AM   #57 
  - You're presupposing the candidate would be against DADT  lunatica   Aug-07-10 09:13 PM   #54 
  - I am hoping for a decent 3rd party candidate.  Milo_Bloom   Aug-07-10 10:03 PM   #55 
  - Good OP -- stick to your prinicples and stand behind your daughter  LostinVA   Aug-08-10 12:20 PM   #58 
  - If Obama Has A Primary Challenger in 2012, It Will Be From The Right  Yavin4   Aug-08-10 12:58 PM   #60 
  - If that's the case then Obama gets the primary vote..........  socialist_n_TN   Aug-08-10 09:18 PM   #65 
  - .  SoxFan   Aug-08-10 07:53 PM   #63 
  - Two threads saying the exact same thing...  BklnDem75   Aug-08-10 10:49 PM   #66 
 

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