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Thu Jul-29-10 06:45 AM
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| 19. None of us knows what is going to happen, because |
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there aren't any crystal balls out there effective enough to let us see the future.
"As things look now" is the best instrument we have for prognostication, and at the moment the mechanism of participatory government still lies with county political organizations -- your local Democratic Party officials and volunteers. Same for the Pukes.
If there is a primary challenge to a sitting president it often comes in U.S. history when there is a compelling national shift against that president and it usually rides the imperative of a larger issue, and that issue would likely have to have generated critical mass -- or come fairly close -- in order for the challenge to take hold.
I think of Eugene McCarthy, for example, riding the wave of anti-war sentiment among Democrats in 1968. Johnson was out of the race by March of that year.
"As things look now," there is no compelling issue to divide the county Democratic organizations with the likely result of a challenge from the left to President Obama. Instead, I think the more serious threat could come from Michael Bloomberg, or rather Michael Bloomberg's money, in forming a third party advertising a non-Bagger coalition of "problem-solving bipartisans." The Far Right Baggers are not going to take hold because they are too angry, too unfocused, too shrill, and too loud. The best the Left offers are people way too smart and politically savvy to take on a popular president, especially absent an issue around which to define a campaign. There is also no infrastructure for a Left challenge, inside or outside the Democratic Party. If there were, Cynthia McKinney would be in the White House as we speak.
I don't think 'purity tests' are the issue. I think nuts-and-bolts political logistics and money are the issue, and "as things look now," that landscape overwhelmingly suggests that there will be no challenger to Obama on the left.
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| -My current plan is to vote for him in 2012, alright? Stop the fucking purity tests already. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jul-29-10 01:58 AM |
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I'm with ya |
ericinne |
Jul-29-10 02:04 AM |
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I agree with you |
Bryn |
Jul-29-10 02:08 AM |
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the issue isn't whether you can vote for a challenger but that there will be no serious |
JI7 |
Jul-29-10 02:08 AM |
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I thought I already made that a non-issue. No challenger? Then I hold my nose and vote for Obama. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jul-29-10 02:13 AM |
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The rule is that you have to vote for the certain Democrat I want. |
gateley |
Jul-29-10 02:22 AM |
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It's an OP I wish I never felt compelled to post. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jul-29-10 02:41 AM |
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I understand your frustration. It appears (to us) to be such a simple, |
gateley |
Jul-29-10 02:52 AM |
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No kidding. |
Ignis |
Jul-29-10 12:38 PM |
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i don't see the point of the whole thing |
JI7 |
Jul-29-10 02:32 AM |
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Then I guess I could never explain it to you. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jul-29-10 02:43 AM |
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Maddening, isn't it? |
DRoseDARs |
Jul-29-10 02:37 AM |
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No Democrat would challenge a sitting D-President. Never happen. |
Lil Missy |
Jul-29-10 03:01 AM |
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They said the same thing about Kennedy vs. Carter in 1976. |
Pab Sungenis |
Jul-29-10 04:12 AM |
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I think she means no SANE Democrat... |
BklnDem75 |
Jul-29-10 06:20 AM |
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So you are saying that Ted Kennedy was insane? |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-29-10 08:18 AM |
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That's nice. I respect Ted |
BklnDem75 |
Jul-29-10 08:34 AM |
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Or his brother, for that matter? |
Sebastian Doyle |
Jul-29-10 12:46 PM |
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McCarthy's challenge to Johnson was more successful |
saltpoint |
Jul-29-10 06:59 AM |
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You must have forgotten about Ted Kennedy challenging Jimmy Carter. |
Beacool |
Aug-07-10 08:39 PM |
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Not true. If Obama appears to be vulnerable, and if they can raise money, any number of |
totodeinhere |
Aug-08-10 02:18 PM |
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it is those who would throw us queers to the repukes to punish |
nofurylike |
Jul-29-10 03:16 AM |
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That's what counts, when it comes down to it. |
Unvanguard |
Jul-29-10 03:33 AM |
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Duplicate. n/t |
Unvanguard |
Jul-29-10 03:33 AM |
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My current plan is to get through 2010 and make |
Sherman A1 |
Jul-29-10 04:25 AM |
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You got it twisted |
BklnDem75 |
Jul-29-10 06:32 AM |
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Please explain how 'realists' claim their policy is dictated |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-29-10 08:29 AM |
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Are we talking about Obama or Dems? |
BklnDem75 |
Jul-29-10 09:14 AM |
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Well I see things as they are .............. |
socialist_n_TN |
Aug-08-10 09:09 PM |
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K & R |
Dinger |
Jul-29-10 06:38 AM |
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None of us knows what is going to happen, because |
saltpoint |
Jul-29-10 06:45 AM |
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+1 |
LostinVA |
Jul-29-10 06:50 AM |
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I will vote for candidates that meet my standards. He does not. |
VMI Dem |
Jul-29-10 07:08 AM |
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IF the GOP and tea partiers are more motivated they win - simple |
stray cat |
Jul-29-10 07:36 AM |
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2000 was stolen |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-29-10 08:32 AM |
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It depends on how you look at it. You could make a case that getting GWB into the White House was a |
totodeinhere |
Aug-08-10 02:21 PM |
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A big part of the reason Obama won was because he ran on hope, not fear. |
Forkboy |
Jul-29-10 08:35 AM |
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+1 |
LostinVA |
Aug-08-10 12:21 PM |
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wouldn't be such a big deal if there weren't so many people here advocating against the dems daily. |
dionysus |
Jul-29-10 09:28 AM |
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These people have been told repeatedy that they're pretty much irrelevant anyways. |
Forkboy |
Jul-29-10 10:07 AM |
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i think it's annoyance with that fact that on a democratic site, you've gotta put up |
dionysus |
Jul-29-10 11:25 AM |
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That only bothers me when it's untrue. |
Forkboy |
Jul-29-10 01:20 PM |
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well, you said before the sane place usually ends up being offline. |
dionysus |
Jul-29-10 01:22 PM |
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LOL |
Forkboy |
Jul-29-10 01:24 PM |
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what could unify us all... an alien invasion? maybe for 5 minutes... |
dionysus |
Jul-29-10 01:29 PM |
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We'd argue over who to support even then, the Greys or Reptillians. |
Forkboy |
Jul-29-10 01:59 PM |
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rofl, most likely... |
dionysus |
Jul-29-10 02:19 PM |
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+1 Now, that's what I'm talking about. |
Kind of Blue |
Aug-07-10 10:04 PM |
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"if you're not with us" |
Peacetrain |
Jul-29-10 09:34 AM |
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You'd be more effective focusing on your Senators or Congressmen |
treestar |
Jul-29-10 10:03 AM |
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Well that's good, it will be a vote for Obama then as he is the strongest campaign fund raiser in |
ProgressOnTheMove |
Jul-29-10 11:44 AM |
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Well that's nice, especially since chances are Obama will not be challenged in the democratic |
WI_DEM |
Jul-29-10 01:34 PM |
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the closest DU has to a purity test is gay marriage |
Enrique |
Jul-29-10 01:37 PM |
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"If he doesn't do it fast enough, he's outta here!" |
CakeGrrl |
Jul-29-10 01:41 PM |
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This is America. You have a right to vote for Kucinich and a right to stick a fork in an outlet. |
tranche |
Jul-29-10 03:57 PM |
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People seem pretty eager to stick me into all kinds of places! |
Forkboy |
Jul-29-10 05:33 PM |
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NO. We need daily affirmations and re-consecrations. |
Jakes Progress |
Jul-29-10 04:12 PM |
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Ok fair enough |
DonCoquixote |
Aug-07-10 08:35 PM |
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Rules? |
Beacool |
Aug-07-10 08:43 PM |
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Yup. No one can tell you what to do...especially on a message board! |
Jennicut |
Aug-07-10 08:45 PM |
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Hi, Jenni!!! |
Beacool |
Aug-08-10 12:09 AM |
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You're presupposing the candidate would be against DADT |
lunatica |
Aug-07-10 09:13 PM |
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I am hoping for a decent 3rd party candidate. |
Milo_Bloom |
Aug-07-10 10:03 PM |
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Good OP -- stick to your prinicples and stand behind your daughter |
LostinVA |
Aug-08-10 12:20 PM |
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If Obama Has A Primary Challenger in 2012, It Will Be From The Right |
Yavin4 |
Aug-08-10 12:58 PM |
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If that's the case then Obama gets the primary vote.......... |
socialist_n_TN |
Aug-08-10 09:18 PM |
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. |
SoxFan |
Aug-08-10 07:53 PM |
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Two threads saying the exact same thing... |
BklnDem75 |
Aug-08-10 10:49 PM |
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