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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 11:30 AM
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49. The DLC wants an industry insider in charge
People like Larry Summers, Tim Geithner, Salazar, Vilsack, et al, are the sort of industry servants the DLC wants in key government positions.

The Plutocratic System

Boiled down, U.S. politics under today’s mature capitalism are not about the welfare of the demos (i.e., the people) as envisioned in classical notions of democracy, but rather about which party can best deliver profitability to investors and corporations. There are continuing debates between those who simply want to slash labor costs, taxes, and regulations for the rich, and those who want to do some of that but also use some regulation and government spending to encourage higher wages and demand-driven growth. Both sides, however, accept that making the economy profitable for the owning class is the sine qua non of successful administration. Within these constraints, there are occasional important political fights and periodic bones to throw to the electorate. But, in times of economic stagnation, the bones get smaller and even disappear. What passes for genuine political debate often tends to be irrelevant gibberish and blatant manipulation on side issues, or inconsequential nitpicking on minutiae. The big stuff is off the table. The system is democratic in theory, plutocratic (rule by the rich) in content.

The hollowness of democracy in today’s capitalism is evident in the blatant corruption of governance at all levels in the United States, and the non-accountability of all the major players. The corruption we are discussing is not about politicians getting inordinately great seats at the World Series, but the degeneration of the system and the dominance of a culture of greed that is now pervasive and institutionalized, contaminating all aspects of life. The manner in which, during the current Great Recession, the dominant institutions and investors were able to coalesce and demand hundreds of billions, even trillions, of dollars in public money as a blank check to the largest banks—and then shamelessly disperse multimillion-dollar bonuses to individuals at the apex of those very same corporations now on the public dole—was a striking reminder of the limits of self-government in our political economy. When the Masters of the Universe, as those atop the economic system have been called, need money, when they need bail-outs, when they need the full power of the state, there is no time for debate or inquiry or deliberation. There is no time for the setting of conditions. There is only time to give them exactly what they want. Or else! Egged on by the news media, all responsible people fall in line or face ostracism. As for education and the social services that mark the good society, well, they have to wait in line and hope something is left after the capitalist master is fed. In stagnant times, it is a long wait.

Capitalism, the Absurd System
A View from the United States

Robert W. McChesney and John Bellamy Foster

http://monthlyreview.org/100601mcchesney-foster.php
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  -Is Elizabeth Warren qualified to create an agency from scratch? NJmaverick  Jul-24-10 09:02 AM   #0 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-10 09:15 AM   #1 
  - No, that poster is not a liberal.  VMI Dem   Jul-24-10 09:18 AM   #3 
  - Are you?  jefferson_dem   Jul-24-10 09:23 AM   #5 
  - A Democrat does not a liberal make, and thus far ..........  Exilednight   Jul-24-10 12:06 PM   #64 
  - In the real world, then,.  Zavulon   Jul-24-10 04:38 PM   #85 
  - What is a liberal to you?  jaxx   Jul-24-10 10:12 AM   #11 
  - Seems your question is considered  POAS   Jul-24-10 12:27 PM   #69 
  - I will repeat my point, you should stop pretending to be the keeper of party purity  NJmaverick   Jul-24-10 10:34 AM   #19 
  - don't you mean "pragmatic"?  paulk   Jul-24-10 10:40 AM   #25 
     - No I think the rift is better described by realists (people who are often older  NJmaverick   Jul-24-10 10:42 AM   #26 
        - I'm 54...is that old enough to disagree with you?  pmorlan1   Jul-24-10 01:57 PM   #79 
        - Oh, but you're *never* old/experienced/smart enough to win against an...  Ignis   Jul-24-10 07:26 PM   #96 
           - +1 nt  laughingliberal   Jul-26-10 02:38 AM   #104 
        - In other words, the rift is between those who  dflprincess   Jul-24-10 09:29 PM   #98 
        - EXCELLENT POINT!!  SkyDaddy7   Jul-26-10 05:19 AM   #110 
  - Have you ever met a real conservative?  treestar   Jul-24-10 11:48 AM   #57 
  - OMG LOL Is this the new thing around here?  SunsetDreams   Jul-24-10 09:30 AM   #6 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-10 10:15 AM   #12 
  - you might have a point, if I didnt address it.  SunsetDreams   Jul-24-10 10:16 AM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-10 11:49 AM   #58 
  - True scotsman.  boppers   Jul-24-10 04:22 PM   #84 
  - Yep, he's a liberal.  jaxx   Jul-24-10 10:10 AM   #10 
  - LOL  paulk   Jul-24-10 10:24 AM   #14 
  - Seems to me that the unknowing have a real problem with themselves.  jaxx   Jul-24-10 10:31 AM   #16 
     - + 100000000  SunsetDreams   Jul-24-10 10:33 AM   #17 
     - twisted by who?  paulk   Jul-24-10 10:39 AM   #24 
     - Don't you dare compare me to the right wing.  jaxx   Jul-24-10 10:51 AM   #29 
     - "liberal" has a meaning  paulk   Jul-24-10 11:08 AM   #35 
        - Look at that, another one item agenda.  jaxx   Jul-24-10 11:16 AM   #41 
        - and now you trot out another talking point  paulk   Jul-24-10 11:19 AM   #44 
           - Not a talking point at all.  jaxx   Jul-24-10 11:29 AM   #48 
        - It means one who is fine with capitalism but believes in government  treestar   Jul-24-10 11:51 AM   #59 
     - I think your hyperbole has just stepped out of bounds  SunsetDreams   Jul-24-10 11:11 AM   #37 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-10 11:13 AM   #40 
           - The BOG???  SunsetDreams   Jul-24-10 11:22 AM   #46 
              - go ahead and say it!  paulk   Jul-24-10 11:44 AM   #52 
                 - You are? OMG that is not what I was going to say  SunsetDreams   Jul-24-10 11:47 AM   #55 
                 - it's a guilty conscience thing.  dionysus   Jul-24-10 12:26 PM   #68 
                    - and here comes the usual crew!  paulk   Jul-24-10 12:43 PM   #73 
                       - No. n/t  QC   Jul-24-10 05:37 PM   #90 
                 - Since you stated that, I can't help but have a question  SunsetDreams   Jul-24-10 11:54 AM   #62 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-10 12:49 PM   #74 
                    - ok got you,  SunsetDreams   Jul-24-10 12:52 PM   #75 
                       - you're welcome  paulk   Jul-24-10 05:13 PM   #87 
                 - tell that pack of losers I said "hi", esp Freddie!  dionysus   Jul-24-10 12:26 PM   #67 
     - I have seen people twist the compassion of liberalism and turn it into a desire  NJmaverick   Jul-24-10 10:51 AM   #28 
        - That's true.  jaxx   Jul-24-10 10:52 AM   #30 
        - We liberals are compassionate and draw the line at people  NJmaverick   Jul-24-10 10:53 AM   #31 
        - see post #24  paulk   Jul-24-10 11:11 AM   #38 
  - I think you need to take a more realistic position  NJmaverick   Jul-24-10 10:35 AM   #20 
  - you mean the reality that Wall Street doesn't want Elizibeth  paulk   Jul-24-10 10:44 AM   #27 
     - 1st part is reality, 2nd part hyperbole  SunsetDreams   Jul-24-10 10:56 AM   #32 
     - Geithner, Summers, Bernanke  paulk   Jul-24-10 11:09 AM   #36 
        - ...  SunsetDreams   Jul-24-10 11:17 AM   #42 
        - no, really - make an argument  paulk   Jul-24-10 11:20 AM   #45 
           - You leave no room, it's hard to make a argument with conjecture.  SunsetDreams   Jul-24-10 11:24 AM   #47 
        - It's all about people, not about qualifications  treestar   Jul-24-10 11:53 AM   #60 
           - so you know what I'm thinking?  paulk   Jul-24-10 12:52 PM   #76 
     - Please read my original OP, I have already explained the entire situation  NJmaverick   Jul-24-10 11:01 AM   #33 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-10 11:17 AM   #43 
           - I think for myself. I consider the facts, weigh it against my life experience and training  NJmaverick   Jul-24-10 11:31 AM   #50 
              - Factor these in when reaching you conclusion:  66 dmhlt   Jul-24-10 11:47 AM   #54 
  - neo-liberal? (nt)  w4rma   Jul-24-10 12:31 PM   #72 
  - Well you can pretend to be the keeper of party purity, but that doesn't make it so  NJmaverick   Jul-24-10 10:34 AM   #18 
  - Hilarious, everything is a defining moment and a last straw  treestar   Jul-24-10 11:47 AM   #56 
  - no, i don't think it's the MSM, or even the greenwald types. once you have predetermined  dionysus   Jul-24-10 12:28 PM   #71 
  - It isn't evident in his posts, so he has to announce it frequently  spoony   Jul-24-10 03:19 PM   #82 
  - it depends  Enrique   Jul-24-10 09:16 AM   #2 
  - Right, whatever he decides to do by definition is the right thing.  hulka38   Jul-24-10 09:40 AM   #8 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-10 10:27 AM   #15 
  - Now those comments completely contradict the point I made  NJmaverick   Jul-24-10 10:36 AM   #21 
  - Wasn't that the argument used against Obama for president?  MannyGoldstein   Jul-24-10 09:22 AM   #4 
  - I don't know, based upon his record of accomplishments despite the congress  Windy   Jul-24-10 09:42 AM   #9 
  - Yes, but in the President's case he has far more experience  NJmaverick   Jul-24-10 10:37 AM   #22 
  - President is a different thing  treestar   Jul-24-10 11:55 AM   #63 
  - It was, I think. Something about a phone ringing at 3AM. I found it disgusting.  laughingliberal   Jul-26-10 02:46 AM   #105 
  - NJMaverick, I think  SunsetDreams   Jul-24-10 09:35 AM   #7 
  - Thank you  NJmaverick   Jul-24-10 10:38 AM   #23 
     - You are welcome :)  SunsetDreams   Jul-24-10 11:04 AM   #34 
  - Maybe, maybe not. But here's the thing  DrToast   Jul-24-10 11:12 AM   #39 
  - The inventor of the idea is not always the best choice to implement it  NJmaverick   Jul-24-10 11:33 AM   #51 
     - Did you miss the part where I said, "Maybe, maybe not"?  DrToast   Jul-24-10 11:44 AM   #53 
  - The DLC wants an industry insider in charge  IndianaGreen   Jul-24-10 11:30 AM   #49 
  - Wouldn't the whole thing collapse if they just picked a man off the street to handle it?  treestar   Jul-24-10 11:54 AM   #61 
     - Like all those oil experts we had at Mineral Management Service, and Salazar at Interior Dept.  IndianaGreen   Jul-24-10 12:09 PM   #65 
     - There are always screw ups in the world, at every level  treestar   Jul-25-10 11:21 AM   #99 
     - Warren is hardly a 'man off the street.' She knows the terrain.  laughingliberal   Jul-26-10 02:49 AM   #106 
  - Getting "Out-In-Front" with the damage control...  bvar22   Jul-24-10 12:16 PM   #66 
  - Your post sounds like wishful thinking rather than a realistic assessment  NJmaverick   Jul-24-10 01:34 PM   #78 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-10 06:00 PM   #92 
  - It would appear so  ibegurpard   Jul-24-10 07:01 PM   #95 
  - Yep. nt  laughingliberal   Jul-26-10 02:50 AM   #107 
  - She just created one from scratch. Fully designed it, too. Involved in the entire process. (nt)  w4rma   Jul-24-10 12:27 PM   #70 
  - Interesting question....  Spazito   Jul-24-10 01:25 PM   #77 
  - Of course..there's so many elements to  Cha   Jul-24-10 02:05 PM   #80 
  - Well, Krugman and Barney Frank want her to be appointed  Imperfect   Jul-24-10 02:12 PM   #81 
  - i don't see why not. but what do i know...  dionysus   Jul-24-10 03:29 PM   #83 
  - I agree. I think she has the right vision and she should help set  johnaries   Jul-24-10 04:45 PM   #86 
  - There are a whole lot of Wall Street types that WERE trained for management  Skidmore   Jul-24-10 05:18 PM   #88 
  - Rick Warren AOK, Elizabeth Warren to brilliant. Whatever......  boston bean   Jul-24-10 05:26 PM   #89 
  - Now you have officially moved to the Right of many Right Wingers that I know  Lorien   Jul-24-10 05:51 PM   #91 
  - While I understand your argument, there is nothing preventing her from hiring an operating officer  BzaDem   Jul-24-10 06:15 PM   #93 
  - BINGO  pmorlan1   Jul-24-10 06:45 PM   #94 
  - brilliantly put  dionysus   Jul-24-10 09:24 PM   #97 
  - +10,000 nt  laughingliberal   Jul-26-10 02:52 AM   #108 
  - Yes, Elizabeth Warren is qualified.  sabrina 1   Jul-25-10 03:21 PM   #100 
  - More qualified than anyone in the administration now  Jakes Progress   Jul-25-10 07:09 PM   #101 
  - if I apply your standard, then how can I listen to an EMT  CreekDog   Jul-26-10 01:36 AM   #102 
  - A rare disagreement with my good friend.  grantcart   Jul-26-10 02:09 AM   #103 
  - Well it was her idea, considering what Obama said.  vaberella   Jul-26-10 04:44 AM   #109 
 

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