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Sun Jul-18-10 10:18 AM
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| 40. Why does democracy terrify some of you so much? nt |
| -A primary challenge "might not be as bad this time as in 1980", it'd be fucking WORSE |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-18-10 08:25 AM |
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Stupak-style ban from White House |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-18-10 08:36 AM |
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Add eduction to your list |
Catshrink |
Jul-18-10 08:38 AM |
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Absolutely, Arne Duncan is a privatizer of education |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-18-10 08:45 AM |
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Education goes in the list of accomplishments |
NJmaverick |
Jul-18-10 08:46 AM |
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Many of those that voted for Obama have a different point of view |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-18-10 08:48 AM |
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That doesn't change the situation. The President cares about our children's education |
NJmaverick |
Jul-18-10 08:50 AM |
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Obama taught Constitutional law, yet |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-18-10 09:02 AM |
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The President is following the Constitution he taught |
NJmaverick |
Jul-18-10 09:05 AM |
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Really? |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-18-10 09:13 AM |
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please provide some PROOF of at least one specific violation of the Constition |
NJmaverick |
Jul-18-10 09:18 AM |
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Does the Constitution give a President the power to order the assassination of an American citizen? |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-18-10 09:32 AM |
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You did a bait and switch. You started with one issue |
NJmaverick |
Jul-18-10 09:49 AM |
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Illegal detentions are also unconstitutional, Habeas corpus rings a bell? |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-18-10 09:51 AM |
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Please provide some specifics as vague charges are difficult to discuss |
NJmaverick |
Jul-18-10 09:52 AM |
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'Vague charges?' José Padilla? Where have you been for the past 9 and a half years? |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-18-10 10:02 AM |
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Actually that was an example of a President following the Constitution |
NJmaverick |
Jul-18-10 10:05 AM |
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What part of illegal detentions is confusing you? They are called 'illegal' because... |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-18-10 10:06 AM |
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The part where the Courts say it isn't illegal |
NJmaverick |
Jul-18-10 10:08 AM |
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It was the DC Court and it only applied to Afghanistan |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-18-10 10:11 AM |
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Obama/Duncan care about the billionaires who get the profits from destroying our public education.nt |
w4rma |
Jul-18-10 11:04 AM |
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That is a highly unlikely and unproven assertion |
NJmaverick |
Jul-18-10 11:10 AM |
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Your poll states "National Gallup poll reveals Americans are tired of NCLB". Which is exactly what |
w4rma |
Jul-18-10 01:27 PM |
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Yep. nt |
laughingliberal |
Jul-18-10 03:30 PM |
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The RW is joyous over Obama's/Duncan's privatization of schools. |
puzzlingpond |
Jul-18-10 02:31 PM |
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Ask a teacher about that. |
Catshrink |
Jul-18-10 09:02 AM |
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I will ask the parents instead. Educating the kids is our primary goal |
NJmaverick |
Jul-18-10 09:04 AM |
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The parents need to participate in the education of their children |
Catshrink |
Jul-18-10 10:08 AM |
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In the end results matter. Our education system is failing |
NJmaverick |
Jul-18-10 10:18 AM |
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Yes. Most systems fail when chronically underfunded. That was the intent since Reagan. |
laughingliberal |
Jul-18-10 03:39 PM |
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yep, hope England hears you too |
KakistocracyHater |
Jul-19-10 12:33 AM |
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Replace "Failing" with "being undermined to facilitate privatisation." nt |
spoony |
Jul-18-10 04:12 PM |
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Exactly! nt |
laughingliberal |
Jul-18-10 04:33 PM |
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he's improving education for the elites by privatizing it. |
Donnachaidh |
Jul-18-10 09:29 AM |
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Yet most parents are happy with the improvements being made |
NJmaverick |
Jul-18-10 09:50 AM |
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Yeah, the parents in NOLA are thrilled |
Catshrink |
Jul-18-10 10:09 AM |
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+1000 nt |
laughingliberal |
Jul-18-10 03:46 PM |
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Jul-18-10 11:05 AM |
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That would be a false claim and here is the poll to prove it |
NJmaverick |
Jul-18-10 11:11 AM |
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That's a year old, months before RttT or praise from the WH for firing teachers |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-18-10 04:11 PM |
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But they dislike NCLB |
donco6 |
Jul-18-10 04:15 PM |
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It's true, but we're dancing with who we brung |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-18-10 08:42 AM |
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Primaries are part of the dance |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-18-10 08:47 AM |
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No, they didn't cancel the primaries, and you are welcome to help Ralf Mowf run for prom king... |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-18-10 12:23 PM |
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I detect a tremendous disdain for having the people choose |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-18-10 03:21 PM |
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No, dear, you detect the snap of experience like Kennedy did to Carter, and you know it. nt |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-19-10 01:14 PM |
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Is it true that these will be the first federally funded abortions? |
Radical Activist |
Jul-18-10 12:03 PM |
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Some democracy we live in n/t |
n2doc |
Jul-18-10 08:43 AM |
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"I want this President to succeed." Everyone should want that |
NJmaverick |
Jul-18-10 08:45 AM |
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The question is: succeed at what? |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-18-10 08:50 AM |
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Really? You don't know what success is? |
NJmaverick |
Jul-18-10 08:52 AM |
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He's not gettinf a blank sheet from me, sheeew, I criticized him in the OP. |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-18-10 09:01 AM |
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That's why we have primaries, to let the rank-and-file decide |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-18-10 09:04 AM |
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and ponies should breathe rainbows, and Ralph Nader was NOBLE to run, not egotistical. |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-18-10 12:11 PM |
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At a minimum a President should not ignore the Constitution and abuse power |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-18-10 03:14 PM |
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and at a maximum, what do you think a Republican President would bring? |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-19-10 01:23 PM |
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Or any primary challenge may be a complete joke that doesn't even warrant a debate |
stray cat |
Jul-18-10 08:48 AM |
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I would support a challenger in a heartbeat if that challenger were a true liberal/progressive. |
NorthCarolina |
Jul-18-10 09:20 AM |
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Of course it would be worse-- and it would guarantee a Republican victory... |
TreasonousBastard |
Jul-18-10 09:52 AM |
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Then have the DNC cancel the 2012 primaries and stop this farce |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-18-10 10:05 AM |
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yawn. nt |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-18-10 12:13 PM |
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I wish there were a "like" button for replies. nt +10000 elevens. |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-18-10 12:13 PM |
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I agree, but purely for political reasons |
ruggerson |
Jul-18-10 10:14 AM |
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I disagree with your optimistic expectations about Obama's second term |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-18-10 10:20 AM |
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Oh noooooes!! Let's see if Ralf Mowf can save the day!!! |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-18-10 12:16 PM |
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Jul-18-10 03:25 PM |
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My Gawd, ruggerson, you are SPOT ON. nt |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-18-10 12:14 PM |
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the problem is that Obama will have less Dems in Congress during |
puzzlingpond |
Jul-18-10 02:29 PM |
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Why does democracy terrify some of you so much? nt |
spoony |
Jul-18-10 10:18 AM |
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Why are you so comfortable making straw man arguments? nt |
stevenleser |
Jul-18-10 12:43 PM |
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the challenger wont win |
iamthebandfanman |
Jul-18-10 10:25 AM |
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My crystal ball says beef is for dinner |
Oregone |
Jul-18-10 10:54 AM |
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Aaaah, I guess I should be vegan to garner your support regarding our POTUS. |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-18-10 11:23 AM |
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So what are you doing to MAKE him be the president he campaigned to be? |
noamnety |
Jul-18-10 10:59 AM |
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It's not as simple as that, and you know it. |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-18-10 12:20 PM |
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Perhaps you didn't like my wording. I'll try again. |
noamnety |
Jul-18-10 12:42 PM |
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Your word has little to do with what I don't like. Trust. |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-19-10 01:20 PM |
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Very good point. |
spoony |
Jul-18-10 03:46 PM |
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I will gladly support any primary challenger to Obama |
LWolf |
Jul-18-10 11:10 AM |
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+100 |
Hawkowl |
Jul-18-10 02:37 PM |
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+100 |
Hawkowl |
Jul-18-10 02:42 PM |
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They don't work for me; they work for everyone |
treestar |
Jul-18-10 11:33 AM |
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Let's see who will try to do that. |
impik |
Jul-18-10 12:26 PM |
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I Was Watching Ann Coulter... |
Steely_Dan |
Jul-18-10 12:53 PM |
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Why would you want to spend your Saturday night watching Ann Coulter videos? |
NJmaverick |
Jul-18-10 12:55 PM |
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LOL - Because... |
Steely_Dan |
Jul-18-10 12:58 PM |
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What is more disturbing? |
BklnDem75 |
Jul-18-10 01:39 PM |
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much much worse |
cleveramerican |
Jul-18-10 01:43 PM |
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bfd |
paulk |
Jul-18-10 02:16 PM |
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Your premise is completely wrong |
Hawkowl |
Jul-18-10 02:48 PM |
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Maybe in a perfect world |
Ramulux |
Jul-18-10 03:58 PM |
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Perhaps |
Hawkowl |
Jul-18-10 04:25 PM |
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Liberals did NOT fail to vote for Carter in 1980 |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-20-10 08:45 AM |
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Bush was in charge of that, not Reagan |
Ter |
Jul-20-10 02:49 PM |
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Only in the parallel universe AKA DU, this is even an issue |
impik |
Jul-18-10 03:28 PM |
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Since half your posts whine about DU |
spoony |
Jul-18-10 03:47 PM |
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The Irony King strikes again. |
Bobbie Jo |
Jul-18-10 03:56 PM |
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My fan club president, hi there! |
spoony |
Jul-18-10 04:10 PM |
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Back at ya! |
Bobbie Jo |
Jul-18-10 04:23 PM |
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I try to answer all mail. |
spoony |
Jul-18-10 04:36 PM |
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+1 trillion |
suzie |
Jul-19-10 01:39 PM |
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Why are there 3 threads about a primary challenge? What the heck?! It's not the time for in-fighting |
Metric System |
Jul-18-10 03:42 PM |
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It's called the free exercise of democracy. |
spoony |
Jul-18-10 03:49 PM |
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It's called "The President must have had one HELL of a fabulous week this week" syndrome |
Number23 |
Jul-18-10 05:24 PM |
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I'd call it by an older, more unpleasant name, but then I live in the South. |
suzie |
Jul-19-10 01:41 PM |
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Some people are already backing you know who in 2012 |
davidpdx |
Jul-19-10 04:37 AM |
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I support primaries against all incumbents |
bigwillq |
Jul-19-10 01:44 PM |
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Yeah, it would be bad, now is not the time to be reinforcing Democratic institutions. |
Umbral |
Jul-20-10 05:52 AM |
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I don't think any reasonable democrat will challenge Obama left or right. |
WI_DEM |
Jul-20-10 11:13 AM |
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From what I just read- you'd be willing to gut social security rather than challenge |
depakid |
Jul-20-10 11:17 AM |
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i agree, and to hell with the "angry left" propoganda machinery. |
mkultra |
Jul-20-10 02:15 PM |
#109 |
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