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Sun Jul-11-10 06:23 PM
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| 96. Its not about the title (vouchers). Its the content that counts. |
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The AFT supports parents' right to send their children to private or religious schools but opposes the use of public funds to do so. The main reason for this opposition is because public funding of private or religious education transfers precious tax dollars from public schools, which are free and open to all children, accountable to parents and taxpayers alike, and essential to our democracy, to private and religious schools that charge for their services, select their students on the basis of religious or academic or family or personal characteristics, and are accountable only to their boards and clients.
In recent years, advocates of public funding of private and religious schools have argued that "school choice" and the ensuing "competition" between public and private schools will improve public schools and student achievement. The evidence does not support this argument. In contrast, the research clearly indicates that reducing class size or adopting scientifically based reading programs, for example, improves student achievement.
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| -Wherein I Give Mad Props to President Obama...because someone has to |
NJmaverick |
Jul-10-10 02:53 PM |
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Excellent article! |
johnaries |
Jul-10-10 03:09 PM |
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I loved that part too. That and the "understanding history keeps one from despair" bit |
Number23 |
Jul-11-10 03:48 AM |
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Generation Obama. |
jaxx |
Jul-10-10 03:23 PM |
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Digging out of the biggest hole ever |
treestar |
Jul-10-10 03:24 PM |
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"The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." |
AtomicKitten |
Jul-10-10 03:29 PM |
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Great quote and great picture |
NJmaverick |
Jul-10-10 04:13 PM |
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Don't have a voice on DU anymore, but good post n/t |
politicasista |
Jul-10-10 05:04 PM |
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Yes, we have a voice! And we will be heard, and prevail. n/t |
msanthrope |
Jul-10-10 05:27 PM |
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You have one, but |
politicasista |
Jul-10-10 08:46 PM |
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thank god Obama is President. |
KeyWester |
Jul-10-10 05:57 PM |
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that pic still makes me laugh |
treestar |
Jul-10-10 07:48 PM |
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I cringe when thinking this idiot could've won the presidency... |
kjackson227 |
Jul-12-10 05:35 PM |
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Lots of excellent points! |
JNelson6563 |
Jul-10-10 06:03 PM |
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Let's consider the statement about his saving us from a Great Depression by comparing with FDR |
Time for change |
Jul-10-10 06:21 PM |
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You're comparison is ridiculously flawed. |
vaberella |
Jul-10-10 07:07 PM |
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Well, you said 4 times in one paragraph that the two situations are utterly different, etc etc. |
Time for change |
Jul-10-10 07:23 PM |
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What does FDR have to do with what is happening today? |
treestar |
Jul-10-10 07:49 PM |
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From the fall of 2008 to the present time our economy has been in worse shape than at any time since |
Time for change |
Jul-10-10 07:59 PM |
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FDR's was much worse |
treestar |
Jul-11-10 10:35 AM |
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All the more reason that his accomplishments were so impressive |
Time for change |
Jul-11-10 03:42 PM |
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That 5 million jobs WAS in FDR's first term and 5 million then was a much |
saracat |
Jul-11-10 05:41 AM |
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You're counting can't be as wrong as the op. |
vaberella |
Jul-11-10 06:33 AM |
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I said we would have to wait till Obama completed his term. |
saracat |
Jul-11-10 06:45 AM |
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Sorry saracat. You're right. I agree on that point. n/t |
vaberella |
Jul-12-10 02:03 AM |
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Do you think that chart accurately reflects the situation? |
ProSense |
Jul-10-10 07:24 PM |
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Yes, I think those statistics are reasonably accurate |
Time for change |
Jul-10-10 07:57 PM |
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"in fact it shows him with negative 680 thousand jobs in 8 years. " |
ProSense |
Jul-10-10 08:03 PM |
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WTF????????? |
butterfly77 |
Jul-11-10 03:00 PM |
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That's Nonsense |
Birthmark |
Jul-11-10 04:45 PM |
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When Obama took office we were losing |
MadMaddie |
Jul-10-10 08:07 PM |
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I wasn't expressing anger |
Time for change |
Jul-10-10 08:51 PM |
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FDR couldn't "force corporations" either.Yet somehow, he lead and created jobs. |
saracat |
Jul-11-10 05:44 AM |
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Congress went along with it |
treestar |
Jul-11-10 10:37 AM |
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I admit that is one of my frustrations |
MadMaddie |
Jul-11-10 12:49 PM |
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Part of the problem is contracts and the Recovery Act. Much employment , by the restrictions and |
saracat |
Jul-11-10 03:48 PM |
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FDR had a desperate for change Congress w/ 2/3 majorities in both for 6 YEARS RUNNING! |
HughMoran |
Jul-12-10 08:43 AM |
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Unemployment at the beginning of FDR's first term: 25%. End of first term: 22%. |
Drunken Irishman |
Jul-10-10 11:37 PM |
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These posters idolizing FDR are lacking in any historical perspective |
treestar |
Jul-11-10 10:38 AM |
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Excellent point |
NJmaverick |
Jul-11-10 12:48 PM |
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In fact, month or so ago, Obama called it a "Depression" ...immediately scrubbed from |
defendandprotect |
Jul-11-10 12:49 AM |
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I see some are openly tossing around Repug talking points on DU nowadays... |
jefferson_dem |
Jul-11-10 07:27 PM |
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It's really a shame how little credit he gets for doing huge things. |
Phx_Dem |
Jul-10-10 06:33 PM |
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Jul-11-10 05:05 PM |
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BS |
HughMoran |
Jul-11-10 08:15 PM |
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Jul-11-10 08:59 PM |
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Ha Ha |
HughMoran |
Jul-11-10 09:11 PM |
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75 wars is surely a huge thing! |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-11-10 11:07 PM |
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K & R! n/t |
Political Tiger |
Jul-10-10 07:00 PM |
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Van Jones is one of the best voices for Democracy~ |
Cha |
Jul-10-10 07:22 PM |
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Yes the man is certainly brilliant |
NJmaverick |
Jul-11-10 08:13 AM |
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Van Jones is a class act and right on the money |
goclark |
Jul-11-10 10:35 AM |
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Here is what Van Jones is acknowledging. |
ProSense |
Jul-10-10 07:47 PM |
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And you think the efforts made on those issues were good? Some are actually the source of much |
saracat |
Jul-11-10 05:51 AM |
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The fight with Bush was about drilling in |
janx |
Jul-11-10 10:34 AM |
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Since when do we support ANY drilling???? Especially in Alaska? |
saracat |
Jul-11-10 07:19 PM |
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"destruction of the public education system " |
ProSense |
Jul-11-10 03:04 PM |
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Ask the Teachers. Asl Madflo . Ask those that are well informed. |
saracat |
Jul-11-10 03:52 PM |
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You're right, |
ProSense |
Jul-11-10 03:56 PM |
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To those for whom this is their life work and not a conversation on a chat board, who |
saracat |
Jul-11-10 04:02 PM |
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Obviously, there |
ProSense |
Jul-11-10 04:06 PM |
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Same old link. Sigh. |
saracat |
Jul-11-10 04:08 PM |
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Same Old Shit Would Be More Like It (nt) |
Dinger |
Jul-11-10 09:09 PM |
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Sure, there were health care workers who bought into this crap with health care in the 80's' |
laughingliberal |
Jul-11-10 04:26 PM |
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A lot of them are drowning in paperwork. |
unapatriciated |
Jul-11-10 06:54 PM |
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Oh, I know that one. As an RN, not only did our patient loads double but the paperwork tripled. |
laughingliberal |
Jul-11-10 07:02 PM |
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Remember how electronic records were supposed to |
cornermouse |
Jul-11-10 07:11 PM |
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A lot institutions for whom I worked didn't convert. |
laughingliberal |
Jul-11-10 07:49 PM |
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Eventually they'll have to in order to get paid. |
cornermouse |
Jul-11-10 08:09 PM |
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Oh, and they'll do it, then. Right now it saves them money not to and just dump on the nurses. nt |
laughingliberal |
Jul-11-10 08:19 PM |
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The rules are so complicated |
cornermouse |
Jul-11-10 07:10 PM |
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Not only do they make their own rules-they change those rules constantly. |
unapatriciated |
Jul-11-10 07:32 PM |
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Yep. It's meant to be confusing so they can keep finding reasons not to pay. nt |
laughingliberal |
Jul-11-10 07:51 PM |
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And Weingarten is being... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-11-10 10:18 PM |
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+1000 nt |
laughingliberal |
Jul-11-10 04:29 PM |
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That Deserves It's Own Thread |
Dinger |
Jul-11-10 09:08 PM |
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Privatization of public services is a 30 year fad that started with Reagan... |
laughingliberal |
Jul-11-10 04:23 PM |
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Yes |
Birthmark |
Jul-11-10 04:48 PM |
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Also at your link, prosense. You might want to look at it. ...Then again, you probably won't |
cornermouse |
Jul-11-10 04:48 PM |
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Why wouldn't I want to look? |
ProSense |
Jul-11-10 05:59 PM |
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Its not about the title (vouchers). Its the content that counts. |
cornermouse |
Jul-11-10 06:23 PM |
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"In recent years, advocates of public funding of private and religious schools " |
ProSense |
Jul-11-10 06:45 PM |
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Misdirection now? |
cornermouse |
Jul-11-10 07:19 PM |
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Where is the President advocating public funding for private schools? |
ProSense |
Jul-11-10 07:24 PM |
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Okay. This just became nonsensical beyond belief. |
cornermouse |
Jul-11-10 07:30 PM |
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"he certainly wouldn't be closing public schools, opening private schools" |
ProSense |
Jul-11-10 09:08 PM |
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I am more than happy to share your comments with my teacher friends and their friends |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-11-10 07:23 PM |
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Prosense, it isn't a fad. If the ... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-11-10 10:14 PM |
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Here's the problem: |
ProSense |
Jul-12-10 08:53 AM |
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I agree with this... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-12-10 12:31 PM |
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Jul-11-10 05:22 PM |
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Wait |
ProSense |
Jul-11-10 06:13 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Jul-11-10 06:39 PM |
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There used to be a really good argument against |
cornermouse |
Jul-12-10 04:54 AM |
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Excellent. K&R nt |
quiet.american |
Jul-10-10 10:59 PM |
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DU has become way too focused on Obama |
Vattel |
Jul-10-10 11:14 PM |
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Great idea! I'm so tired of the popularity contest/sporting event model of politics. nt |
laughingliberal |
Jul-11-10 12:21 AM |
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That's A Great Suggestion:) |
Dinger |
Jul-11-10 09:14 PM |
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Excellent article NJ, so true! |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-11-10 12:36 AM |
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Unfortunately, he's trying to bail out the ocean with a dixie cup. nt |
Cheap_Trick |
Jul-11-10 01:28 AM |
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Superhuman he is not |
Axle_techie |
Jul-11-10 01:44 AM |
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Again you have to remember the very deep hole he started in |
NJmaverick |
Jul-11-10 08:13 AM |
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You don't fill up one hole by digging a new one... |
Axle_techie |
Jul-11-10 02:59 PM |
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Oh, President Obama isn't digging anything..he's |
Cha |
Jul-11-10 05:49 PM |
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Yet to be seen. My nightmare ship of unemployment seems |
Axle_techie |
Jul-12-10 12:11 AM |
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Superhuman ? |
GeorgeGist |
Jul-11-10 06:37 AM |
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K&R! Excellent n.t |
firedupdem |
Jul-11-10 10:34 AM |
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K&R good article |
Peacetrain |
Jul-11-10 11:52 AM |
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Unrec. |
Kermitt Gribble |
Jul-11-10 12:56 PM |
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All but one of these is a joke? |
NJmaverick |
Jul-11-10 01:04 PM |
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Lol! |
Kermitt Gribble |
Jul-11-10 01:15 PM |
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You can't dismiss the facts for being "old" |
NJmaverick |
Jul-11-10 01:23 PM |
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FACTs= " announced intents" Then we must have the Public Option and I didn't notice. |
saracat |
Jul-11-10 03:58 PM |
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Why not? You just gave him credit for something Congress didn't do |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-11-10 04:13 PM |
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Silly . I have many times given him credit when I applaud the effort. |
saracat |
Jul-11-10 04:50 PM |
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A fact is verifiable not an "announced intents" |
NJmaverick |
Jul-11-10 04:20 PM |
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The list promoted has intents on it included with |
saracat |
Jul-11-10 04:51 PM |
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That doesn't preclude the fact that the majority are fact |
NJmaverick |
Jul-11-10 05:29 PM |
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I am censorsing my response because I do not agree and do not wish to promote incivility. |
saracat |
Jul-11-10 07:12 PM |
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While you concerns for civility are appreciated, it doesn't change the facts |
NJmaverick |
Jul-12-10 06:32 AM |
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The list is a matter of interpetation. And much is alleged intent |
saracat |
Jul-13-10 02:28 AM |
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You're right. |
Kermitt Gribble |
Jul-11-10 10:10 PM |
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they seem to be seriously stuck in a run, Kermitt |
Skittles |
Jul-11-10 11:36 PM |
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Yep, I still see that one, too. |
Kermitt Gribble |
Jul-12-10 05:11 PM |
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So, pray tell us, what is the shelf life of facts? |
11 Bravo |
Jul-12-10 06:54 PM |
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There is no shelf life of facts. |
Kermitt Gribble |
Jul-13-10 08:46 AM |
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Your joke has gotten old and stale, NJM. |
cornermouse |
Jul-11-10 05:02 PM |
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I don't consider the President's accomplishments a "joke" |
NJmaverick |
Jul-11-10 05:26 PM |
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Really? |
Birthmark |
Jul-11-10 05:45 PM |
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Jul-11-10 04:55 PM |
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Hmmm? |
ProSense |
Jul-11-10 04:58 PM |
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Linking to yourself, linking to an excuse. |
cornermouse |
Jul-11-10 05:06 PM |
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Facts are facts. |
Cha |
Jul-11-10 05:50 PM |
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You're boring, Cha. n/t |
cornermouse |
Jul-11-10 06:46 PM |
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People on the wrong side of facts frequently say things like that when facts are quoted at them |
stevenleser |
Jul-12-10 09:16 PM |
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Well said! |
Birthmark |
Jul-11-10 05:06 PM |
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"Your hero is a fraud, sir. His policies are doomed to failure. " |
ProSense |
Jul-11-10 05:30 PM |
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"Your hero is a fraud, sir. His policies are doomed to failure. " |
Birthmark |
Jul-11-10 05:42 PM |
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+1000 nt |
laughingliberal |
Jul-11-10 05:10 PM |
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Look who's talkin'. |
Cha |
Jul-11-10 05:52 PM |
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"Name removed" is apparently talking. |
Birthmark |
Jul-11-10 06:03 PM |
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must be swell to be Obama's savior |
havocmom |
Jul-11-10 11:39 PM |
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I think this quote sums it up best |
NJmaverick |
Jul-12-10 06:34 AM |
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Well, let's take a look at this, shall we? |
Sebastian Doyle |
Jul-12-10 05:25 PM |
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