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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 04:55 PM
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33. Yep, they move the goals and then bitch when the ball doesn't
sail through the upright.

Bad faith critics.
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  -Just Listened To Obama Speech - He's Campaigning For Carnahan In Missouri....... global1  Jul-08-10 03:14 PM   #0 
  - I listened too. That's the campaigner Obama. I think he doesn't  napi21   Jul-08-10 03:19 PM   #1 
  - crickets  madmax   Jul-08-10 03:20 PM   #2 
  - He's in campaign mode. Those that underestimate him will  livetohike   Jul-08-10 03:20 PM   #3 
  - So Obama gave a good speech? Holy shit! That totally excuses all his actions.  no limit   Jul-08-10 03:21 PM   #4 
  - speeches are show biz PR. talk means nothing. action is what matters..nt  msongs   Jul-08-10 03:29 PM   #6 
  - +1  MissDeeds   Jul-08-10 04:27 PM   #19 
  - I thought the bully pulpit was good enough on its own?  treestar   Jul-08-10 04:37 PM   #25 
     - He should be  SunsetDreams   Jul-08-10 06:51 PM   #81 
  - Ignorance is bliss.  jefferson_dem   Jul-08-10 07:25 PM   #86 
  - +1  slay   Jul-08-10 03:33 PM   #7 
  - and Pakistan makes 3  Citizen Worker   Jul-08-10 04:12 PM   #12 
     - And Iran makes 4!  FrenchieCat   Jul-08-10 04:56 PM   #34 
  - There is nothing that needs an excuse.  phleshdef   Jul-08-10 03:45 PM   #9 
  - ahaha ahahaha hahahaha hahaha hahah HA! You don't really believe that now do you?  no limit   Jul-08-10 04:36 PM   #23 
  - I'm sorry, you didn't type "haha" enough times to be convincing.  phleshdef   Jul-08-10 04:46 PM   #27 
     - Ok lets play. Tell me why it's ok to put the burden of healthcare reform on middle class people?  no limit   Jul-08-10 04:48 PM   #29 
        - I make more than that and I cover me AND my wife for exactly that amount.  phleshdef   Jul-08-10 04:58 PM   #35 
        - you are going to pull the ignorant card? Yes, we know what the costs will be  no limit   Jul-08-10 05:03 PM   #39 
           - Although higher than I would like, 200 some odd dollars a month isn't a lot of money.  phleshdef   Jul-08-10 05:23 PM   #47 
              - My magic facts mean nothing to you? I love that logic, like I said denial on the brink of insanity  no limit   Jul-08-10 05:30 PM   #51 
              - Your magic inability to use your own calculator, more like it  phleshdef   Jul-08-10 05:36 PM   #53 
                 - Do you know the definition of "up to". Up to $200. $50 a month isn't a cake walk at $600 a paycheck  no limit   Jul-08-10 05:47 PM   #57 
                    - Seriously? 800 bucks a month for rent and food for 1 friggin person?  phleshdef   Jul-08-10 06:01 PM   #64 
                       - So ok, poor people don't deserve $75 a week for food. Can we make it $50?  no limit   Jul-08-10 06:06 PM   # 
                          - If you can't pay 50 bucks for health insurance, even at 8 bucks an hour...  phleshdef   Jul-08-10 06:23 PM   #71 
                             - Umm...$10 an hour and $93 a month for insurance. Tell me which of these things they dont deserve  no limit   Jul-08-10 06:31 PM   #75 
                             - After taxes, you should still have close to 400 bucks left over.  phleshdef   Jul-08-10 06:42 PM   #78 
                             - I have a hard time seeing what version of math you are using  no limit   Jul-08-10 07:13 PM   #83 
                                - your calculations are a half truth as usual  mkultra   Jul-08-10 08:50 PM   #97 
                                   - Ok, give me some numbers. What's the lowest possible amount a $10/hr person will pay?  no limit   Jul-09-10 08:44 AM   #107 
                             - BTW, I officially like your magic calculator.  phleshdef   Jul-08-10 06:46 PM   #79 
                             - You have no idea what you are talking about.  tekisui   Jul-09-10 11:29 AM   #109 
              - "200 dollars a month isn't a lot of money"  Smashcut   Jul-09-10 12:57 AM   # 
              - .  Smashcut   Jul-09-10 12:57 AM   #105 
        - Did you not notice that Health Care barely passed?  FrenchieCat   Jul-08-10 05:02 PM   #38 
           - I never said anything about single payer. I asked why is it ok to put the burden on the middle class  no limit   Jul-08-10 05:04 PM   #40 
              - There are subsidies that are there on a sliding scale,  FrenchieCat   Jul-08-10 05:23 PM   #48 
              - I posted a calculator above. I've been screaming about this since this bill was proposed  no limit   Jul-08-10 05:33 PM   #52 
                 - Less than 10% of your annual income for assurance of healthcare needs is not a bad deal, period.  phleshdef   Jul-08-10 05:40 PM   #55 
                 - If I gave you half off on ferraris and forced you to buy one would that be a good deal?  no limit   Jul-08-10 05:48 PM   #58 
                    - I don't look at the mandate the way you look at the mandate.  phleshdef   Jul-08-10 06:18 PM   #70 
                       - Again, the burden is being put on people that already live paycheck to paycheck  no limit   Jul-08-10 06:30 PM   #74 
                          - No, they can come up with the 97 or whatever it is per year tax penalty.  phleshdef   Jul-08-10 06:40 PM   #77 
                             - All the math shows it's huge for someone living on $10/hr. But keep ignoring it.  no limit   Jul-08-10 07:13 PM   #84 
                 - $97.00 a year is a pair of good tennis shoes, or a big night out on the town.  FrenchieCat   Jul-08-10 05:41 PM   #56 
                    - To be 25, single and making only 12-15 dollars an hour again.  phleshdef   Jul-08-10 05:50 PM   #59 
                    - Or gas/electric/food/ and all the other things people living on that kind of money need  no limit   Jul-08-10 05:50 PM   #60 
                    - We are talking annually......  FrenchieCat   Jul-08-10 05:59 PM   #62 
                       - Someone making $10/hr will have to pay $97 a month (not year)  no limit   Jul-08-10 06:01 PM   #63 
                          - Someone making $10 per hour.....if they worked full time  FrenchieCat   Jul-08-10 06:11 PM   #66 
                          - Thanks for pointing out the catastrophic policy, I didn't see it. But where are you getting $76.41  no limit   Jul-08-10 06:17 PM   #68 
                             - its a choice, not a requirment.  mkultra   Jul-08-10 08:53 PM   #99 
                          - no they wont, this isnt true.  mkultra   Jul-08-10 08:52 PM   #98 
                    - Wow. You are out of touch, too.  tekisui   Jul-09-10 11:31 AM   #110 
              - I'm sorry, but someone making $10 an hour is not middle class.  dave29   Jul-08-10 09:04 PM   #100 
  - +1. He's doing a GREAT job!  Phx_Dem   Jul-08-10 05:17 PM   #45 
  - Says the crowd who are always yelling for him to do more speeches  IOKIYAL   Jul-08-10 04:07 PM   #10 
  - Yea, they cry for him to use the bully pulpit, he does, then suddenly "its just a speech".  phleshdef   Jul-08-10 04:11 PM   #11 
  - EXACTLY!!! n/t  jenmito   Jul-08-10 04:12 PM   #13 
  - You just nailed it. Nothing is enough because they just hate the  firedupdem   Jul-08-10 04:15 PM   #15 
  - We hate the man personally? Where the hell do you guys pull this crap from?  no limit   Jul-08-10 04:40 PM   #26 
  - the personal grudges people display are quite obvious, actually.  dionysus   Jul-08-10 07:52 PM   #92 
  - +1  azmouse   Jul-08-10 05:07 PM   #42 
  - +1000 nt  CBR   Jul-08-10 04:15 PM   #16 
  - Bingo.  Starbucks Anarchist   Jul-08-10 04:35 PM   #21 
  - +100  berni_mccoy   Jul-08-10 04:35 PM   #22 
  - Seriously. I thought we wanted a stronger message out there?  Jennicut   Jul-08-10 04:48 PM   #28 
  - +1. Becuase they're compulsive whiners.  Phx_Dem   Jul-08-10 05:18 PM   #46 
  - "I never expected Obama to be liberal and now I'm totally disillusioned"  Radical Activist   Jul-09-10 12:51 AM   #104 
  - I'm in some kind of crowd? Wow, didn't know that.  no limit   Jul-08-10 04:37 PM   #24 
  - They never supported him. It's a waste of time  impik   Jul-08-10 04:50 PM   #30 
  - Yep, they move the goals and then bitch when the ball doesn't  geek tragedy   Jul-08-10 04:55 PM   #33 
  - These actions?  NJmaverick   Jul-08-10 04:52 PM   #31 
  - No, these actions (you know the actually important ones):  no limit   Jul-08-10 04:58 PM   #36 
     - It appears your description of the actions are more opinion than fact  NJmaverick   Jul-08-10 05:00 PM   #37 
        - which one specifically is opinion? And if Im going to waste my time arguing with you  no limit   Jul-08-10 05:07 PM   #43 
           - You're right I was being generous in the opinion comment  NJmaverick   Jul-08-10 08:03 PM   #93 
  - oh yes let's dump on a positive thread  SunsetDreams   Jul-08-10 06:49 PM   #80 
  - He was at his BEST!! Even the description of his daughter was funny...  jenmito   Jul-08-10 03:24 PM   #5 
  - LOL!  firedupdem   Jul-08-10 04:17 PM   #17 
     - He really went off on a tangent with it...  jenmito   Jul-08-10 04:21 PM   #18 
  - This will be one our Democratic pick-ups along with Kentucky and Ohio!  Radical Activist   Jul-08-10 03:42 PM   #8 
  - lets hope so! nt  Clio the Leo   Jul-08-10 04:13 PM   #14 
  - Should help Carnahan.. its a close race with Blunt..  DCBob   Jul-08-10 04:34 PM   #20 
  - "That's the guy I voted for"  Oregone   Jul-08-10 04:53 PM   #32 
  - Enjoy it while you still can. By my count it will be back to old Obama in under 4 months  no limit   Jul-08-10 05:12 PM   #44 
     - That's not true, and you know that it isn't.  FrenchieCat   Jul-08-10 05:26 PM   #49 
        - you're right, he has had action in some areas. I shouldn't have said that  no limit   Jul-08-10 05:28 PM   #50 
           - I personally really do believe that with the media that we have,  FrenchieCat   Jul-08-10 05:39 PM   #54 
              - That's certainly true for many of the failures of this administration, but no nearly all of them  no limit   Jul-08-10 05:58 PM   #61 
                 - I'm sure you could nitpick your way to naming some "Failures of this administration"......  FrenchieCat   Jul-08-10 06:06 PM   #65 
                    - But I really don't like how you and others dismiss these things as "i want, I want".  no limit   Jul-08-10 06:13 PM   #67 
                       - Are you talking to me when you state..."that's why you don't want to debate "  FrenchieCat   Jul-08-10 06:26 PM   #72 
                          - But you keep ignoring the specifics I am pointing to or you are dismissive of them  no limit   Jul-08-10 06:36 PM   #76 
                             - I got it! You don't like the health bill that passed,  FrenchieCat   Jul-08-10 06:56 PM   #82 
                                - See, there is you dismissing a important point you cant refute again. It's not about the health bill  no limit   Jul-08-10 07:15 PM   #85 
                                   - I've discussed this with you as much as I feel is required at this time.  FrenchieCat   Jul-08-10 07:27 PM   #87 
                                      - Now you pull out the guilt card. No, I don't want to give power to republicans  no limit   Jul-08-10 07:36 PM   #89 
                                         - It's not a guilt card, it is a fact card......  FrenchieCat   Jul-08-10 07:42 PM   #90 
                                            - The examples I listed are clear  no limit   Jul-08-10 07:51 PM   #91 
                                               - Oh...ok.....  FrenchieCat   Jul-08-10 08:08 PM   #94 
                                                  - So if the bill cost $10 billion extra each year Obama wouldn't be able to pass it?  no limit   Jul-08-10 08:42 PM   #95 
                                                     - You are correct, the bill would not have passed......  FrenchieCat   Jul-08-10 08:48 PM   #96 
                                                     - Let me give you a better analogy, I think Obama likes this one since he originally said it  no limit   Jul-08-10 09:11 PM   #101 
                                                     - I think we see things differently.  FrenchieCat   Jul-08-10 10:08 PM   #102 
                                                     - You keep arguing in circles because you refuse to acknowledge any failures on the part of this admin  no limit   Jul-09-10 08:43 AM   #106 
  - "You can't have the keys back because you don't know how to drive."  BeyondGeography   Jul-08-10 05:07 PM   #41 
  - How Impressive ! Preaching to the choir takes courage!! nt  jonnyblitz   Jul-08-10 06:17 PM   #69 
  - I thought the speech was televised!  FrenchieCat   Jul-08-10 06:29 PM   #73 
  - not all crowds are choirs, not all preaching is for you.  dave29   Jul-08-10 11:25 PM   #103 
  - I predict that Carnahan smokes Blunt!  Sky Masterson   Jul-08-10 07:33 PM   #88 
  - I was there....MEDIA LYING ABOUT EMPTY SEATS!  bac511   Jul-09-10 09:34 AM   #108 
     - Thank you for the TRUTH! n/t  Fire1   Jul-09-10 08:13 PM   #111 

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