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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #96
99. "asking me a question is not an answer" You're right
it's asking a question.

Think about your response to the question "Where did the talking point about President Obama privatizing education come from"

You: So?

Huh?

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  -Where did the talking point about President Obama privatizing education come from ProSense  Jul-05-10 10:30 PM   #0 
  - Public money  pscot   Jul-05-10 10:40 PM   #1 
  - There are no profits involved. They are public schools.  ProSense   Jul-05-10 10:41 PM   #2 
  - Oh honey, it's just too late for this tonight.  donco6   Jul-05-10 10:44 PM   #3 
  - "Perhaps in the morning we'll fill you in on all the for-profit charters out there."  ProSense   Jul-05-10 10:46 PM   #4 
  - You're the one making the claim there are no profits.  donco6   Jul-05-10 10:54 PM   #9 
  - There are no profits. n/t  ProSense   Jul-05-10 11:00 PM   #11 
  - This argument is intellectually dishonest  Go2Peace   Jul-05-10 11:31 PM   #23 
     - Wait,  ProSense   Jul-05-10 11:36 PM   #24 
     - The administration of the Kansas City School Board has been doing that for decades  Telly Savalas   Jul-07-10 10:12 PM   #151 
  - +1.  snagglepuss   Jul-06-10 12:59 AM   #40 
  - Don't bother to look at her links.  cornermouse   Jul-06-10 08:04 AM   #52 
  - People are stuck in a rut fighting old battles  Radical Activist   Jul-06-10 01:29 AM   #43 
  - No Shit (nt)  Dinger   Jul-05-10 11:02 PM   #12 
  - They are non profits  grantcart   Jul-05-10 10:47 PM   #6 
  - "This means that the people who run them can be paid administrative salaries "  ProSense   Jul-05-10 10:54 PM   #8 
  - Or pay their "real estate" parent companies huge sums of cash to 'rent' buildings they teach from  w4rma   Jul-06-10 12:11 AM   #32 
  - Non-profit means you don't pay taxes, not that you can't make money.  Hello_Kitty   Jul-09-10 12:07 PM   #161 
  - charter public schools are all non-profit.  mzteris   Jul-05-10 10:46 PM   #5 
     - what are the restrictions on pay for the 80% run by local community members?  grantcart   Jul-05-10 10:49 PM   #7 
        - The same way one does a public school  ProSense   Jul-05-10 10:58 PM   #10 
        - the ones I know don't get paid - boardmembers volunteer. n/t  mzteris   Jul-06-10 09:20 AM   #56 
  - No. They are NOT  saracat   Jul-05-10 11:02 PM   #13 
  - What is that?  ProSense   Jul-05-10 11:04 PM   #14 
     - Bs. And read this one. This is why the GOP LOVES this privitazation  saracat   Jul-05-10 11:08 PM   #15 
     - "This is why the GOP LOVES this privitazation" What the hell does that have to do with anything  ProSense   Jul-05-10 11:16 PM   #19 
        - THe Admins alleged "public" charter schools are not PUBLIC anymore than the state  saracat   Jul-06-10 12:07 AM   #28 
        - Void of facts and rude. n/t  ProSense   Jul-06-10 12:09 AM   #31 
           - I have provided many links. I suggest you refer to them.  saracat   Jul-06-10 12:12 AM   #33 
        - He named Arne Duncan to head the Department of Education  LisaM   Jul-09-10 12:28 PM   #163 
     - Charter Schools are big money and the GOP loves them. I have posted several links. Perhaps if you  saracat   Jul-05-10 11:09 PM   #16 
  - CHARTER SCOOLS are a FAIL...lower standards for teachers = cheap teachers  opihimoimoi   Jul-05-10 11:10 PM   #17 
  - Standards Are Different Too, So Accountability Level Means Nothing (nt)  Dinger   Jul-05-10 11:13 PM   #18 
  - they are held to the same academic standards  mzteris   Jul-06-10 09:23 AM   #57 
     - Not According To The Wisconsin Charter School Yearbook  Dinger   Jul-06-10 09:26 AM   #60 
        - really? Thanks for this wonderful link - it really debunks  mzteris   Jul-06-10 09:39 AM   #62 
        - "freed from most state rules and regulations in exchange for greater accountability for results"?  Telly Savalas   Jul-07-10 10:19 PM   #152 
        - From the 2009-2010 year book  ProSense   Jul-06-10 09:51 AM   #64 
        - Twice, From Page 1:  Dinger   Jul-06-10 02:12 PM   #94 
           - keep reading . . . Standards are exactly the SAME!  mzteris   Jul-06-10 06:18 PM   #138 
        - Statute for edu standards ARE EXACTLY THE SAME!!!  mzteris   Jul-06-10 01:40 PM   #79 
  - Debating quality does not address the point: These are public schools. n/t  ProSense   Jul-05-10 11:17 PM   #20 
     - Do you have a problem with facts?  dwilso40641   Jul-05-10 11:27 PM   #21 
        - Do you? n/t  ProSense   Jul-05-10 11:30 PM   #22 
  - The White House? Maryland Ave SW?  Zenlitened   Jul-05-10 11:46 PM   #25 
  - disingenuous argument - "not for profit" charters = corporations take the $$ for themselves and non  msongs   Jul-06-10 12:05 AM   #26 
  - Huh?  ProSense   Jul-06-10 12:07 AM   #27 
  - They are NOT. They are as much public as the "Clear Skies Initiative"  saracat   Jul-06-10 12:08 AM   #29 
  - No, they're public schools.  ProSense   Jul-06-10 12:13 AM   #34 
     - The AEA is irrelevent?  saracat   Jul-06-10 12:13 AM   #36 
        - Is the  ProSense   Jul-06-10 12:24 AM   #38 
           - No because Tom Horne isn't relevent . He is a drunken GOP moron.  saracat   Jul-06-10 01:23 AM   #41 
           - They may be labelled "public".........  trayfoot   Jul-06-10 12:10 PM   #70 
              - The best traditional public school in my district has an exclusive entrance criteria.  Telly Savalas   Jul-07-10 10:22 PM   #153 
  - corrected the title to reflect the discussion regarding profit/non profit - google is yer amigo nt  msongs   Jul-06-10 12:09 AM   #30 
  - What? n/t  ProSense   Jul-06-10 12:13 AM   # 
  - I work with several charter schools, all are public, all have union teachers.  NYC_SKP   Jul-06-10 12:13 AM   #35 
  - Harlem, right? Bad example for the rest of the nation. (nt)  w4rma   Jul-06-10 12:15 AM   #37 
  - Nope. 2,880 miles from Harlem, NY.  NYC_SKP   Jul-06-10 08:28 AM   #54 
  - Not very bright judging his geographic location on his user name.  berni_mccoy   Jul-07-10 06:35 AM   #145 
  - The attempt to mischaracterize the program is transparent.  ProSense   Jul-06-10 12:32 AM   #39 
  - Why do you hate teachers? And why is what the WH says about education more important to you  saracat   Jul-06-10 01:26 AM   #42 
     - What the hell are you talking about?  ProSense   Jul-06-10 01:29 AM   #44 
        - The teachers do NOT support the WH Education Reform. That is a FACT  saracat   Jul-06-10 01:34 AM   #46 
           - Teachers are at odds about Race to the Top  ProSense   Jul-06-10 01:50 AM   #49 
           - Actually it does. It is part of the reason they are against race to the top.  saracat   Jul-06-10 07:27 AM   #51 
           - Correction: SOME teachers. Not all. Not by a long shot. n/t  mzteris   Jul-06-10 09:25 AM   #58 
              - The vast majority.And certainly the teachers union. That is indisputable.  saracat   Jul-06-10 01:05 PM   #74 
                 - well my friends who are union teachers would disagree with you.  mzteris   Jul-06-10 01:41 PM   #80 
                    - I guess they weren't at the convention then! I do not know a single teacher, including those that  saracat   Jul-07-10 12:14 AM   #142 
  - Interesting thanks, certainly different than I had pictured  grantcart   Jul-06-10 09:50 AM   #63 
  - Thanks for the input, NYC_SKP. As my daughter is choosing to send her kindergartener to a charter...  Hekate   Jul-06-10 04:08 PM   #128 
     - Best luck to your daughter's kindergartner!  NYC_SKP   Jul-06-10 11:44 PM   #141 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-06-10 01:30 AM   #45 
  - The teachers unions are "leftbaggers" ?  saracat   Jul-06-10 01:35 AM   #47 
  - "Left-Teabaggers".... nice n/t  spiritual_gunfighter   Jul-06-10 08:09 AM   #53 
  - A list of PUBLIC charter schools in Chicago.  Radical Activist   Jul-06-10 01:36 AM   #48 
  - ALL charter schools are PUBLIC - and FREE. and non-profit. n/t  mzteris   Jul-06-10 09:26 AM   #59 
     - Non-profit doesn't mean they aren't a corporate money sink  TheKentuckian   Jul-06-10 11:03 AM   #66 
        - Yet, that's a far cry from what Duncan did in Chicago  Radical Activist   Jul-06-10 11:12 AM   #67 
        - directly from WI Dept of Public Instruction:  mzteris   Jul-06-10 01:46 PM   #83 
           - Sounds like bureaucratic speak for what I said and that was Wisconsin  TheKentuckian   Jul-06-10 02:11 PM   #93 
  - From "THEY". You know... THEY are telling us... THEY say... THEY seem to think...  lamp_shade   Jul-06-10 04:35 AM   #50 
  - Did you read the front page of DU where Obama's education staff was disinvited to a major meeting of  w4rma   Jul-06-10 09:17 AM   #55 
     - there's a power struggle going on  mzteris   Jul-06-10 09:27 AM   #61 
        - The NYT article seems to support that theory:  janx   Jul-06-10 10:43 AM   #65 
        - yup. The status quo has to go.  mzteris   Jul-06-10 01:47 PM   #85 
        - The NY Times is the mouthpiece for the ruling class  IndianaGreen   Jul-06-10 04:19 PM   #129 
        - And of course it couldn't be that Arne Duncan is trying to manipulate  saracat   Jul-07-10 03:38 AM   #143 
  - Prosense, in California there was a cap on the number...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 11:51 AM   #68 
  - I understand the opposition to Race to the Top  ProSense   Jul-06-10 11:58 AM   #69 
  - You must not have read the links...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 12:26 PM   #71 
     - Oops, saw the additional links, and posted in the wrong place. See comment below. n/t  ProSense   Jul-06-10 12:56 PM   #73 
     - I think there was a deliberate avoidance there  waiting for hope   Jul-06-10 01:18 PM   #75 
        - There was no avoidance, and it's disingenuous to suggest this after  ProSense   Jul-06-10 01:26 PM   #76 
  - All, I see are non profit  ProSense   Jul-06-10 12:55 PM   #72 
     - Google is a very useful tool:  waiting for hope   Jul-06-10 01:29 PM   #77 
        - This is evidence of what?  ProSense   Jul-06-10 01:47 PM   #84 
        - corruption exists everywhere - incuding  mzteris   Jul-06-10 01:52 PM   #88 
        - Prosense, honestly, I got some land here in Florida I'd like to sell you.  Spheric   Jul-06-10 02:00 PM   #90 
           - Well,  ProSense   Jul-06-10 02:07 PM   #92 
              - I don't get it. You are in good company with yourself?  Spheric   Jul-06-10 02:13 PM   #95 
                 - Questioning links.  ProSense   Jul-06-10 02:33 PM   #97 
                    - Those links aren't relevent to whether there is a wholesale effort to privatize education.  Spheric   Jul-06-10 03:41 PM   #127 
        - ten percent of all charter schools are managed by for-profits  mzteris   Jul-06-10 01:51 PM   #87 
        - Interesting paragraph in that last link:  johnaries   Jul-06-10 02:00 PM   #91 
  - Charter schools (most of them) are the mercenaries of public education.  Spheric   Jul-06-10 01:32 PM   #78 
  - ...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 01:43 PM   #81 
  - It makes me sad, too. /nt  Spheric   Jul-06-10 01:45 PM   #82 
  - "It wasn't privatizing the military when Halliburton was contracted to feed the troops either. "  ProSense   Jul-06-10 01:50 PM   #86 
  - mercenaries?  mzteris   Jul-06-10 01:53 PM   #89 
  - Exactly  Enthusiast   Jul-07-10 05:37 AM   #144 
  - So?  Bluenorthwest   Jul-06-10 02:27 PM   #96 
  - "asking me a question is not an answer" You're right  ProSense   Jul-06-10 02:37 PM   #99 
  - Public money used by private entities.  LWolf   Jul-06-10 02:36 PM   #98 
  - The charter schools are public schools, not private entities. n/t  ProSense   Jul-06-10 02:39 PM   #100 
     - Someone bump that record player.  donco6   Jul-06-10 02:41 PM   #101 
     - Record player?  ProSense   Jul-06-10 02:44 PM   #102 
     - See below... n/t  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 02:46 PM   #104 
     - I'll add "ageist" to your voluminous faults. n/t  donco6   Jul-06-10 05:21 PM   #135 
     - 'Broken Record'...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 02:45 PM   #103 
     - "a strategy used often by many educators."  ProSense   Jul-06-10 02:50 PM   #107 
        - Prosense I have great respect for you and...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 02:59 PM   #109 
           - "Sometimes it seems like you argue/discuss that way...just repeating your point or evidence."  ProSense   Jul-06-10 03:05 PM   #115 
              - Hey Quotation Mark, looks like people are onto your tactics.  ClassWarrior   Jul-06-10 03:23 PM   #123 
     - Maybe A Lint Free Cloth Would Do The Trick?  Dinger   Jul-06-10 02:46 PM   #105 
        - ...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 02:49 PM   #106 
        - Or enter the 21st century. n/t  ProSense   Jul-06-10 02:51 PM   #108 
           - Is that fair? n/t  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 03:01 PM   #110 
           - Of course not. But fair's not a consideration when one's advancing an agenda.  ClassWarrior   Jul-06-10 03:21 PM   #119 
              - In the context of "broken record" and "lint free cloth" it's seems fair to me. n/t  ProSense   Jul-06-10 03:23 PM   #122 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-06-10 04:26 PM   #130 
                 - You are right about that. I apologize. I just found what...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 04:47 PM   #132 
           - I'd rather go back to the 20th century, when our public school system was the best in the world...  ClassWarrior   Jul-06-10 03:22 PM   #121 
              - Hey, CW, Never Give Up. We'll get it right...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 03:26 PM   #125 
                 - Hey Yvonne, I hope so. This is one area where I worry about my Prez's approach.  ClassWarrior   Jul-06-10 03:29 PM   #126 
                    - Me, too. For me, it's probably because I have...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 04:43 PM   #131 
                       - God bless teachers. Thank you for caring, my friend.  ClassWarrior   Jul-06-10 04:51 PM   #133 
                          - Thanks for...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 04:57 PM   #134 
     - So many charter schools are run by private entities:  LWolf   Jul-06-10 03:03 PM   #113 
        - Yeah - so many - all TEN PERCENT of them.  mzteris   Jul-06-10 06:17 PM   #137 
           - For profits and non-profits. All private.  LWolf   Jul-06-10 06:47 PM   #140 
  - Question, who here disagrees with this approach  ProSense   Jul-06-10 03:01 PM   #111 
  - The charter approach is like starving Usain Bolt, and then claiming you're a better runner.  ClassWarrior   Jul-06-10 03:04 PM   #114 
  - Excellent, that's Randi Weingarten's approach  ProSense   Jul-06-10 03:08 PM   #116 
     - I don't even know who the fuck Randi Weingarten is. I just know that charter schools are...  ClassWarrior   Jul-06-10 03:12 PM   #117 
  - I can agree with this part of...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 03:17 PM   #118 
  - And that says it all  ProSense   Jul-06-10 03:21 PM   #120 
     - Which is why I still have hope for President Obama to...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 03:24 PM   #124 
  - Weingarten taught at the Broad Superintendent's Academy, it shows.  madfloridian   Jul-06-10 05:44 PM   #136 
  - Charter schools are designed to drain money from public schools so they fail...  ClassWarrior   Jul-06-10 03:01 PM   #112 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-07-10 07:12 AM   #146 
  - Ok, so let's say what you say is true, what is the one big difference?  boston bean   Jul-06-10 06:26 PM   #139 
  - Charter schools are more able to adapt to their students needs and the real world.  NYC_SKP   Jul-07-10 08:06 AM   #147 
     - No they aren't. They are non-receptive to local voters. They are run by out-of-touch billionaires.  w4rma   Jul-08-10 06:55 PM   #158 
  - Reality? n/t  nyc 4 Biden   Jul-07-10 09:32 AM   #148 
  - The unions. (nt)  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jul-07-10 11:42 AM   #149 
  - Long weekend...  YvonneCa   Jul-07-10 12:12 PM   #150 
     - No, that's just the source of this particular meme.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jul-08-10 07:47 AM   #154 
        - And I've been in education long enough...  YvonneCa   Jul-08-10 06:55 PM   #157 
           - There's no nuance to this one.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jul-09-10 07:26 AM   #159 
              - There's that darn broken record...  YvonneCa   Jul-09-10 12:02 PM   #160 
                 - Well, let's consult the definition of a public school, but you seem to be murkying it.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jul-09-10 12:12 PM   #162 
                    - Funny...  YvonneCa   Jul-09-10 01:32 PM   #164 
                       - Don't forget the money of the teacher unions.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jul-09-10 02:16 PM   #165 
                          - They are the only semblance of a voice...  YvonneCa   Jul-09-10 03:38 PM   #166 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-08-10 06:23 PM   #155 
  - Arnie Duncan's, President Obama's and the DLC's war on public education and unions. (nt)  w4rma   Jul-08-10 06:54 PM   #156 
 

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