Radical Activist
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Tue Jul-06-10 01:29 AM
Response to Reply #4 |
| 43. People are stuck in a rut fighting old battles |
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instead of seeing Obama's proposal for what it actually is.
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| -Where did the talking point about President Obama privatizing education come from |
ProSense |
Jul-05-10 10:30 PM |
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Public money |
pscot |
Jul-05-10 10:40 PM |
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There are no profits involved. They are public schools. |
ProSense |
Jul-05-10 10:41 PM |
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Oh honey, it's just too late for this tonight. |
donco6 |
Jul-05-10 10:44 PM |
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"Perhaps in the morning we'll fill you in on all the for-profit charters out there." |
ProSense |
Jul-05-10 10:46 PM |
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You're the one making the claim there are no profits. |
donco6 |
Jul-05-10 10:54 PM |
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There are no profits. n/t |
ProSense |
Jul-05-10 11:00 PM |
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This argument is intellectually dishonest |
Go2Peace |
Jul-05-10 11:31 PM |
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Wait, |
ProSense |
Jul-05-10 11:36 PM |
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The administration of the Kansas City School Board has been doing that for decades |
Telly Savalas |
Jul-07-10 10:12 PM |
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+1. |
snagglepuss |
Jul-06-10 12:59 AM |
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Don't bother to look at her links. |
cornermouse |
Jul-06-10 08:04 AM |
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People are stuck in a rut fighting old battles |
Radical Activist |
Jul-06-10 01:29 AM |
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No Shit (nt) |
Dinger |
Jul-05-10 11:02 PM |
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They are non profits |
grantcart |
Jul-05-10 10:47 PM |
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"This means that the people who run them can be paid administrative salaries " |
ProSense |
Jul-05-10 10:54 PM |
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Or pay their "real estate" parent companies huge sums of cash to 'rent' buildings they teach from |
w4rma |
Jul-06-10 12:11 AM |
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Non-profit means you don't pay taxes, not that you can't make money. |
Hello_Kitty |
Jul-09-10 12:07 PM |
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charter public schools are all non-profit. |
mzteris |
Jul-05-10 10:46 PM |
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what are the restrictions on pay for the 80% run by local community members? |
grantcart |
Jul-05-10 10:49 PM |
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The same way one does a public school |
ProSense |
Jul-05-10 10:58 PM |
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the ones I know don't get paid - boardmembers volunteer. n/t |
mzteris |
Jul-06-10 09:20 AM |
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No. They are NOT |
saracat |
Jul-05-10 11:02 PM |
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What is that? |
ProSense |
Jul-05-10 11:04 PM |
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Bs. And read this one. This is why the GOP LOVES this privitazation |
saracat |
Jul-05-10 11:08 PM |
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"This is why the GOP LOVES this privitazation" What the hell does that have to do with anything |
ProSense |
Jul-05-10 11:16 PM |
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THe Admins alleged "public" charter schools are not PUBLIC anymore than the state |
saracat |
Jul-06-10 12:07 AM |
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Void of facts and rude. n/t |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 12:09 AM |
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I have provided many links. I suggest you refer to them. |
saracat |
Jul-06-10 12:12 AM |
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He named Arne Duncan to head the Department of Education |
LisaM |
Jul-09-10 12:28 PM |
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Charter Schools are big money and the GOP loves them. I have posted several links. Perhaps if you |
saracat |
Jul-05-10 11:09 PM |
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CHARTER SCOOLS are a FAIL...lower standards for teachers = cheap teachers |
opihimoimoi |
Jul-05-10 11:10 PM |
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Standards Are Different Too, So Accountability Level Means Nothing (nt) |
Dinger |
Jul-05-10 11:13 PM |
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they are held to the same academic standards |
mzteris |
Jul-06-10 09:23 AM |
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Not According To The Wisconsin Charter School Yearbook |
Dinger |
Jul-06-10 09:26 AM |
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really? Thanks for this wonderful link - it really debunks |
mzteris |
Jul-06-10 09:39 AM |
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"freed from most state rules and regulations in exchange for greater accountability for results"? |
Telly Savalas |
Jul-07-10 10:19 PM |
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From the 2009-2010 year book |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 09:51 AM |
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Twice, From Page 1: |
Dinger |
Jul-06-10 02:12 PM |
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keep reading . . . Standards are exactly the SAME! |
mzteris |
Jul-06-10 06:18 PM |
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Statute for edu standards ARE EXACTLY THE SAME!!! |
mzteris |
Jul-06-10 01:40 PM |
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Debating quality does not address the point: These are public schools. n/t |
ProSense |
Jul-05-10 11:17 PM |
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Do you have a problem with facts? |
dwilso40641 |
Jul-05-10 11:27 PM |
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Do you? n/t |
ProSense |
Jul-05-10 11:30 PM |
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The White House? Maryland Ave SW? |
Zenlitened |
Jul-05-10 11:46 PM |
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disingenuous argument - "not for profit" charters = corporations take the $$ for themselves and non |
msongs |
Jul-06-10 12:05 AM |
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Huh? |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 12:07 AM |
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They are NOT. They are as much public as the "Clear Skies Initiative" |
saracat |
Jul-06-10 12:08 AM |
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No, they're public schools. |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 12:13 AM |
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The AEA is irrelevent? |
saracat |
Jul-06-10 12:13 AM |
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Is the |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 12:24 AM |
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No because Tom Horne isn't relevent . He is a drunken GOP moron. |
saracat |
Jul-06-10 01:23 AM |
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They may be labelled "public"......... |
trayfoot |
Jul-06-10 12:10 PM |
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The best traditional public school in my district has an exclusive entrance criteria. |
Telly Savalas |
Jul-07-10 10:22 PM |
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corrected the title to reflect the discussion regarding profit/non profit - google is yer amigo nt |
msongs |
Jul-06-10 12:09 AM |
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What? n/t |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 12:13 AM |
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I work with several charter schools, all are public, all have union teachers. |
NYC_SKP |
Jul-06-10 12:13 AM |
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Harlem, right? Bad example for the rest of the nation. (nt) |
w4rma |
Jul-06-10 12:15 AM |
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Nope. 2,880 miles from Harlem, NY. |
NYC_SKP |
Jul-06-10 08:28 AM |
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Not very bright judging his geographic location on his user name. |
berni_mccoy |
Jul-07-10 06:35 AM |
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The attempt to mischaracterize the program is transparent. |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 12:32 AM |
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Why do you hate teachers? And why is what the WH says about education more important to you |
saracat |
Jul-06-10 01:26 AM |
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What the hell are you talking about? |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 01:29 AM |
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The teachers do NOT support the WH Education Reform. That is a FACT |
saracat |
Jul-06-10 01:34 AM |
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Teachers are at odds about Race to the Top |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 01:50 AM |
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Actually it does. It is part of the reason they are against race to the top. |
saracat |
Jul-06-10 07:27 AM |
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Correction: SOME teachers. Not all. Not by a long shot. n/t |
mzteris |
Jul-06-10 09:25 AM |
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The vast majority.And certainly the teachers union. That is indisputable. |
saracat |
Jul-06-10 01:05 PM |
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well my friends who are union teachers would disagree with you. |
mzteris |
Jul-06-10 01:41 PM |
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I guess they weren't at the convention then! I do not know a single teacher, including those that |
saracat |
Jul-07-10 12:14 AM |
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Interesting thanks, certainly different than I had pictured |
grantcart |
Jul-06-10 09:50 AM |
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Thanks for the input, NYC_SKP. As my daughter is choosing to send her kindergartener to a charter... |
Hekate |
Jul-06-10 04:08 PM |
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Best luck to your daughter's kindergartner! |
NYC_SKP |
Jul-06-10 11:44 PM |
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Jul-06-10 01:30 AM |
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The teachers unions are "leftbaggers" ? |
saracat |
Jul-06-10 01:35 AM |
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"Left-Teabaggers".... nice n/t |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Jul-06-10 08:09 AM |
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A list of PUBLIC charter schools in Chicago. |
Radical Activist |
Jul-06-10 01:36 AM |
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ALL charter schools are PUBLIC - and FREE. and non-profit. n/t |
mzteris |
Jul-06-10 09:26 AM |
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Non-profit doesn't mean they aren't a corporate money sink |
TheKentuckian |
Jul-06-10 11:03 AM |
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Yet, that's a far cry from what Duncan did in Chicago |
Radical Activist |
Jul-06-10 11:12 AM |
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directly from WI Dept of Public Instruction: |
mzteris |
Jul-06-10 01:46 PM |
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Sounds like bureaucratic speak for what I said and that was Wisconsin |
TheKentuckian |
Jul-06-10 02:11 PM |
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From "THEY". You know... THEY are telling us... THEY say... THEY seem to think... |
lamp_shade |
Jul-06-10 04:35 AM |
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Did you read the front page of DU where Obama's education staff was disinvited to a major meeting of |
w4rma |
Jul-06-10 09:17 AM |
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there's a power struggle going on |
mzteris |
Jul-06-10 09:27 AM |
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The NYT article seems to support that theory: |
janx |
Jul-06-10 10:43 AM |
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yup. The status quo has to go. |
mzteris |
Jul-06-10 01:47 PM |
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The NY Times is the mouthpiece for the ruling class |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-06-10 04:19 PM |
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And of course it couldn't be that Arne Duncan is trying to manipulate |
saracat |
Jul-07-10 03:38 AM |
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Prosense, in California there was a cap on the number... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-06-10 11:51 AM |
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I understand the opposition to Race to the Top |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 11:58 AM |
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You must not have read the links... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-06-10 12:26 PM |
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Oops, saw the additional links, and posted in the wrong place. See comment below. n/t |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 12:56 PM |
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I think there was a deliberate avoidance there |
waiting for hope |
Jul-06-10 01:18 PM |
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There was no avoidance, and it's disingenuous to suggest this after |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 01:26 PM |
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All, I see are non profit |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 12:55 PM |
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Google is a very useful tool: |
waiting for hope |
Jul-06-10 01:29 PM |
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This is evidence of what? |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 01:47 PM |
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corruption exists everywhere - incuding |
mzteris |
Jul-06-10 01:52 PM |
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Prosense, honestly, I got some land here in Florida I'd like to sell you. |
Spheric |
Jul-06-10 02:00 PM |
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Well, |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 02:07 PM |
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I don't get it. You are in good company with yourself? |
Spheric |
Jul-06-10 02:13 PM |
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Questioning links. |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 02:33 PM |
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Those links aren't relevent to whether there is a wholesale effort to privatize education. |
Spheric |
Jul-06-10 03:41 PM |
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ten percent of all charter schools are managed by for-profits |
mzteris |
Jul-06-10 01:51 PM |
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Interesting paragraph in that last link: |
johnaries |
Jul-06-10 02:00 PM |
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Charter schools (most of them) are the mercenaries of public education. |
Spheric |
Jul-06-10 01:32 PM |
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... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-06-10 01:43 PM |
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It makes me sad, too. /nt |
Spheric |
Jul-06-10 01:45 PM |
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"It wasn't privatizing the military when Halliburton was contracted to feed the troops either. " |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 01:50 PM |
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mercenaries? |
mzteris |
Jul-06-10 01:53 PM |
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Exactly |
Enthusiast |
Jul-07-10 05:37 AM |
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So? |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-06-10 02:27 PM |
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"asking me a question is not an answer" You're right |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 02:37 PM |
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Public money used by private entities. |
LWolf |
Jul-06-10 02:36 PM |
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The charter schools are public schools, not private entities. n/t |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 02:39 PM |
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Someone bump that record player. |
donco6 |
Jul-06-10 02:41 PM |
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Record player? |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 02:44 PM |
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See below... n/t |
YvonneCa |
Jul-06-10 02:46 PM |
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I'll add "ageist" to your voluminous faults. n/t |
donco6 |
Jul-06-10 05:21 PM |
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'Broken Record'... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-06-10 02:45 PM |
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"a strategy used often by many educators." |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 02:50 PM |
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Prosense I have great respect for you and... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-06-10 02:59 PM |
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"Sometimes it seems like you argue/discuss that way...just repeating your point or evidence." |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 03:05 PM |
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Hey Quotation Mark, looks like people are onto your tactics. |
ClassWarrior |
Jul-06-10 03:23 PM |
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Maybe A Lint Free Cloth Would Do The Trick? |
Dinger |
Jul-06-10 02:46 PM |
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... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-06-10 02:49 PM |
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Or enter the 21st century. n/t |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 02:51 PM |
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Is that fair? n/t |
YvonneCa |
Jul-06-10 03:01 PM |
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Of course not. But fair's not a consideration when one's advancing an agenda. |
ClassWarrior |
Jul-06-10 03:21 PM |
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In the context of "broken record" and "lint free cloth" it's seems fair to me. n/t |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 03:23 PM |
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Jul-06-10 04:26 PM |
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You are right about that. I apologize. I just found what... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-06-10 04:47 PM |
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I'd rather go back to the 20th century, when our public school system was the best in the world... |
ClassWarrior |
Jul-06-10 03:22 PM |
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Hey, CW, Never Give Up. We'll get it right... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-06-10 03:26 PM |
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Hey Yvonne, I hope so. This is one area where I worry about my Prez's approach. |
ClassWarrior |
Jul-06-10 03:29 PM |
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Me, too. For me, it's probably because I have... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-06-10 04:43 PM |
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God bless teachers. Thank you for caring, my friend. |
ClassWarrior |
Jul-06-10 04:51 PM |
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Thanks for... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-06-10 04:57 PM |
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So many charter schools are run by private entities: |
LWolf |
Jul-06-10 03:03 PM |
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Yeah - so many - all TEN PERCENT of them. |
mzteris |
Jul-06-10 06:17 PM |
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For profits and non-profits. All private. |
LWolf |
Jul-06-10 06:47 PM |
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Question, who here disagrees with this approach |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 03:01 PM |
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The charter approach is like starving Usain Bolt, and then claiming you're a better runner. |
ClassWarrior |
Jul-06-10 03:04 PM |
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Excellent, that's Randi Weingarten's approach |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 03:08 PM |
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I don't even know who the fuck Randi Weingarten is. I just know that charter schools are... |
ClassWarrior |
Jul-06-10 03:12 PM |
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I can agree with this part of... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-06-10 03:17 PM |
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And that says it all |
ProSense |
Jul-06-10 03:21 PM |
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Which is why I still have hope for President Obama to... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-06-10 03:24 PM |
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Weingarten taught at the Broad Superintendent's Academy, it shows. |
madfloridian |
Jul-06-10 05:44 PM |
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Charter schools are designed to drain money from public schools so they fail... |
ClassWarrior |
Jul-06-10 03:01 PM |
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Jul-07-10 07:12 AM |
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Ok, so let's say what you say is true, what is the one big difference? |
boston bean |
Jul-06-10 06:26 PM |
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Charter schools are more able to adapt to their students needs and the real world. |
NYC_SKP |
Jul-07-10 08:06 AM |
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No they aren't. They are non-receptive to local voters. They are run by out-of-touch billionaires. |
w4rma |
Jul-08-10 06:55 PM |
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Reality? n/t |
nyc 4 Biden |
Jul-07-10 09:32 AM |
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The unions. (nt) |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Jul-07-10 11:42 AM |
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Long weekend... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-07-10 12:12 PM |
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No, that's just the source of this particular meme. |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Jul-08-10 07:47 AM |
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And I've been in education long enough... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-08-10 06:55 PM |
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There's no nuance to this one. |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Jul-09-10 07:26 AM |
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There's that darn broken record... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-09-10 12:02 PM |
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Well, let's consult the definition of a public school, but you seem to be murkying it. |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Jul-09-10 12:12 PM |
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Funny... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-09-10 01:32 PM |
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Don't forget the money of the teacher unions. |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Jul-09-10 02:16 PM |
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They are the only semblance of a voice... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-09-10 03:38 PM |
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Jul-08-10 06:23 PM |
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Arnie Duncan's, President Obama's and the DLC's war on public education and unions. (nt) |
w4rma |
Jul-08-10 06:54 PM |
#156 |
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