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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-05-10 10:54 PM
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9. You're the one making the claim there are no profits.
And you know, I find it really amazing that you expect US to read every one of your thousands upon thousands of posts - 33 a day on average - complete with links! And yet, you can't be bothered to actually read the hundreds of excellent exposes by madfloridian, who has extensively documented all the issues surrounding charters many, many times. And you have the audacity to wonder aloud where these so-called "talking point" came from.

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  -Where did the talking point about President Obama privatizing education come from ProSense  Jul-05-10 10:30 PM   #0 
  - Public money  pscot   Jul-05-10 10:40 PM   #1 
  - There are no profits involved. They are public schools.  ProSense   Jul-05-10 10:41 PM   #2 
  - Oh honey, it's just too late for this tonight.  donco6   Jul-05-10 10:44 PM   #3 
  - "Perhaps in the morning we'll fill you in on all the for-profit charters out there."  ProSense   Jul-05-10 10:46 PM   #4 
  - You're the one making the claim there are no profits.  donco6   Jul-05-10 10:54 PM   #9 
  - There are no profits. n/t  ProSense   Jul-05-10 11:00 PM   #11 
  - This argument is intellectually dishonest  Go2Peace   Jul-05-10 11:31 PM   #23 
     - Wait,  ProSense   Jul-05-10 11:36 PM   #24 
     - The administration of the Kansas City School Board has been doing that for decades  Telly Savalas   Jul-07-10 10:12 PM   #151 
  - +1.  snagglepuss   Jul-06-10 12:59 AM   #40 
  - Don't bother to look at her links.  cornermouse   Jul-06-10 08:04 AM   #52 
  - People are stuck in a rut fighting old battles  Radical Activist   Jul-06-10 01:29 AM   #43 
  - No Shit (nt)  Dinger   Jul-05-10 11:02 PM   #12 
  - They are non profits  grantcart   Jul-05-10 10:47 PM   #6 
  - "This means that the people who run them can be paid administrative salaries "  ProSense   Jul-05-10 10:54 PM   #8 
  - Or pay their "real estate" parent companies huge sums of cash to 'rent' buildings they teach from  w4rma   Jul-06-10 12:11 AM   #32 
  - Non-profit means you don't pay taxes, not that you can't make money.  Hello_Kitty   Jul-09-10 12:07 PM   #161 
  - charter public schools are all non-profit.  mzteris   Jul-05-10 10:46 PM   #5 
     - what are the restrictions on pay for the 80% run by local community members?  grantcart   Jul-05-10 10:49 PM   #7 
        - The same way one does a public school  ProSense   Jul-05-10 10:58 PM   #10 
        - the ones I know don't get paid - boardmembers volunteer. n/t  mzteris   Jul-06-10 09:20 AM   #56 
  - No. They are NOT  saracat   Jul-05-10 11:02 PM   #13 
  - What is that?  ProSense   Jul-05-10 11:04 PM   #14 
     - Bs. And read this one. This is why the GOP LOVES this privitazation  saracat   Jul-05-10 11:08 PM   #15 
     - "This is why the GOP LOVES this privitazation" What the hell does that have to do with anything  ProSense   Jul-05-10 11:16 PM   #19 
        - THe Admins alleged "public" charter schools are not PUBLIC anymore than the state  saracat   Jul-06-10 12:07 AM   #28 
        - Void of facts and rude. n/t  ProSense   Jul-06-10 12:09 AM   #31 
           - I have provided many links. I suggest you refer to them.  saracat   Jul-06-10 12:12 AM   #33 
        - He named Arne Duncan to head the Department of Education  LisaM   Jul-09-10 12:28 PM   #163 
     - Charter Schools are big money and the GOP loves them. I have posted several links. Perhaps if you  saracat   Jul-05-10 11:09 PM   #16 
  - CHARTER SCOOLS are a FAIL...lower standards for teachers = cheap teachers  opihimoimoi   Jul-05-10 11:10 PM   #17 
  - Standards Are Different Too, So Accountability Level Means Nothing (nt)  Dinger   Jul-05-10 11:13 PM   #18 
  - they are held to the same academic standards  mzteris   Jul-06-10 09:23 AM   #57 
     - Not According To The Wisconsin Charter School Yearbook  Dinger   Jul-06-10 09:26 AM   #60 
        - really? Thanks for this wonderful link - it really debunks  mzteris   Jul-06-10 09:39 AM   #62 
        - "freed from most state rules and regulations in exchange for greater accountability for results"?  Telly Savalas   Jul-07-10 10:19 PM   #152 
        - From the 2009-2010 year book  ProSense   Jul-06-10 09:51 AM   #64 
        - Twice, From Page 1:  Dinger   Jul-06-10 02:12 PM   #94 
           - keep reading . . . Standards are exactly the SAME!  mzteris   Jul-06-10 06:18 PM   #138 
        - Statute for edu standards ARE EXACTLY THE SAME!!!  mzteris   Jul-06-10 01:40 PM   #79 
  - Debating quality does not address the point: These are public schools. n/t  ProSense   Jul-05-10 11:17 PM   #20 
     - Do you have a problem with facts?  dwilso40641   Jul-05-10 11:27 PM   #21 
        - Do you? n/t  ProSense   Jul-05-10 11:30 PM   #22 
  - The White House? Maryland Ave SW?  Zenlitened   Jul-05-10 11:46 PM   #25 
  - disingenuous argument - "not for profit" charters = corporations take the $$ for themselves and non  msongs   Jul-06-10 12:05 AM   #26 
  - Huh?  ProSense   Jul-06-10 12:07 AM   #27 
  - They are NOT. They are as much public as the "Clear Skies Initiative"  saracat   Jul-06-10 12:08 AM   #29 
  - No, they're public schools.  ProSense   Jul-06-10 12:13 AM   #34 
     - The AEA is irrelevent?  saracat   Jul-06-10 12:13 AM   #36 
        - Is the  ProSense   Jul-06-10 12:24 AM   #38 
           - No because Tom Horne isn't relevent . He is a drunken GOP moron.  saracat   Jul-06-10 01:23 AM   #41 
           - They may be labelled "public".........  trayfoot   Jul-06-10 12:10 PM   #70 
              - The best traditional public school in my district has an exclusive entrance criteria.  Telly Savalas   Jul-07-10 10:22 PM   #153 
  - corrected the title to reflect the discussion regarding profit/non profit - google is yer amigo nt  msongs   Jul-06-10 12:09 AM   #30 
  - What? n/t  ProSense   Jul-06-10 12:13 AM   # 
  - I work with several charter schools, all are public, all have union teachers.  NYC_SKP   Jul-06-10 12:13 AM   #35 
  - Harlem, right? Bad example for the rest of the nation. (nt)  w4rma   Jul-06-10 12:15 AM   #37 
  - Nope. 2,880 miles from Harlem, NY.  NYC_SKP   Jul-06-10 08:28 AM   #54 
  - Not very bright judging his geographic location on his user name.  berni_mccoy   Jul-07-10 06:35 AM   #145 
  - The attempt to mischaracterize the program is transparent.  ProSense   Jul-06-10 12:32 AM   #39 
  - Why do you hate teachers? And why is what the WH says about education more important to you  saracat   Jul-06-10 01:26 AM   #42 
     - What the hell are you talking about?  ProSense   Jul-06-10 01:29 AM   #44 
        - The teachers do NOT support the WH Education Reform. That is a FACT  saracat   Jul-06-10 01:34 AM   #46 
           - Teachers are at odds about Race to the Top  ProSense   Jul-06-10 01:50 AM   #49 
           - Actually it does. It is part of the reason they are against race to the top.  saracat   Jul-06-10 07:27 AM   #51 
           - Correction: SOME teachers. Not all. Not by a long shot. n/t  mzteris   Jul-06-10 09:25 AM   #58 
              - The vast majority.And certainly the teachers union. That is indisputable.  saracat   Jul-06-10 01:05 PM   #74 
                 - well my friends who are union teachers would disagree with you.  mzteris   Jul-06-10 01:41 PM   #80 
                    - I guess they weren't at the convention then! I do not know a single teacher, including those that  saracat   Jul-07-10 12:14 AM   #142 
  - Interesting thanks, certainly different than I had pictured  grantcart   Jul-06-10 09:50 AM   #63 
  - Thanks for the input, NYC_SKP. As my daughter is choosing to send her kindergartener to a charter...  Hekate   Jul-06-10 04:08 PM   #128 
     - Best luck to your daughter's kindergartner!  NYC_SKP   Jul-06-10 11:44 PM   #141 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-06-10 01:30 AM   #45 
  - The teachers unions are "leftbaggers" ?  saracat   Jul-06-10 01:35 AM   #47 
  - "Left-Teabaggers".... nice n/t  spiritual_gunfighter   Jul-06-10 08:09 AM   #53 
  - A list of PUBLIC charter schools in Chicago.  Radical Activist   Jul-06-10 01:36 AM   #48 
  - ALL charter schools are PUBLIC - and FREE. and non-profit. n/t  mzteris   Jul-06-10 09:26 AM   #59 
     - Non-profit doesn't mean they aren't a corporate money sink  TheKentuckian   Jul-06-10 11:03 AM   #66 
        - Yet, that's a far cry from what Duncan did in Chicago  Radical Activist   Jul-06-10 11:12 AM   #67 
        - directly from WI Dept of Public Instruction:  mzteris   Jul-06-10 01:46 PM   #83 
           - Sounds like bureaucratic speak for what I said and that was Wisconsin  TheKentuckian   Jul-06-10 02:11 PM   #93 
  - From "THEY". You know... THEY are telling us... THEY say... THEY seem to think...  lamp_shade   Jul-06-10 04:35 AM   #50 
  - Did you read the front page of DU where Obama's education staff was disinvited to a major meeting of  w4rma   Jul-06-10 09:17 AM   #55 
     - there's a power struggle going on  mzteris   Jul-06-10 09:27 AM   #61 
        - The NYT article seems to support that theory:  janx   Jul-06-10 10:43 AM   #65 
        - yup. The status quo has to go.  mzteris   Jul-06-10 01:47 PM   #85 
        - The NY Times is the mouthpiece for the ruling class  IndianaGreen   Jul-06-10 04:19 PM   #129 
        - And of course it couldn't be that Arne Duncan is trying to manipulate  saracat   Jul-07-10 03:38 AM   #143 
  - Prosense, in California there was a cap on the number...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 11:51 AM   #68 
  - I understand the opposition to Race to the Top  ProSense   Jul-06-10 11:58 AM   #69 
  - You must not have read the links...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 12:26 PM   #71 
     - Oops, saw the additional links, and posted in the wrong place. See comment below. n/t  ProSense   Jul-06-10 12:56 PM   #73 
     - I think there was a deliberate avoidance there  waiting for hope   Jul-06-10 01:18 PM   #75 
        - There was no avoidance, and it's disingenuous to suggest this after  ProSense   Jul-06-10 01:26 PM   #76 
  - All, I see are non profit  ProSense   Jul-06-10 12:55 PM   #72 
     - Google is a very useful tool:  waiting for hope   Jul-06-10 01:29 PM   #77 
        - This is evidence of what?  ProSense   Jul-06-10 01:47 PM   #84 
        - corruption exists everywhere - incuding  mzteris   Jul-06-10 01:52 PM   #88 
        - Prosense, honestly, I got some land here in Florida I'd like to sell you.  Spheric   Jul-06-10 02:00 PM   #90 
           - Well,  ProSense   Jul-06-10 02:07 PM   #92 
              - I don't get it. You are in good company with yourself?  Spheric   Jul-06-10 02:13 PM   #95 
                 - Questioning links.  ProSense   Jul-06-10 02:33 PM   #97 
                    - Those links aren't relevent to whether there is a wholesale effort to privatize education.  Spheric   Jul-06-10 03:41 PM   #127 
        - ten percent of all charter schools are managed by for-profits  mzteris   Jul-06-10 01:51 PM   #87 
        - Interesting paragraph in that last link:  johnaries   Jul-06-10 02:00 PM   #91 
  - Charter schools (most of them) are the mercenaries of public education.  Spheric   Jul-06-10 01:32 PM   #78 
  - ...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 01:43 PM   #81 
  - It makes me sad, too. /nt  Spheric   Jul-06-10 01:45 PM   #82 
  - "It wasn't privatizing the military when Halliburton was contracted to feed the troops either. "  ProSense   Jul-06-10 01:50 PM   #86 
  - mercenaries?  mzteris   Jul-06-10 01:53 PM   #89 
  - Exactly  Enthusiast   Jul-07-10 05:37 AM   #144 
  - So?  Bluenorthwest   Jul-06-10 02:27 PM   #96 
  - "asking me a question is not an answer" You're right  ProSense   Jul-06-10 02:37 PM   #99 
  - Public money used by private entities.  LWolf   Jul-06-10 02:36 PM   #98 
  - The charter schools are public schools, not private entities. n/t  ProSense   Jul-06-10 02:39 PM   #100 
     - Someone bump that record player.  donco6   Jul-06-10 02:41 PM   #101 
     - Record player?  ProSense   Jul-06-10 02:44 PM   #102 
     - See below... n/t  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 02:46 PM   #104 
     - I'll add "ageist" to your voluminous faults. n/t  donco6   Jul-06-10 05:21 PM   #135 
     - 'Broken Record'...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 02:45 PM   #103 
     - "a strategy used often by many educators."  ProSense   Jul-06-10 02:50 PM   #107 
        - Prosense I have great respect for you and...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 02:59 PM   #109 
           - "Sometimes it seems like you argue/discuss that way...just repeating your point or evidence."  ProSense   Jul-06-10 03:05 PM   #115 
              - Hey Quotation Mark, looks like people are onto your tactics.  ClassWarrior   Jul-06-10 03:23 PM   #123 
     - Maybe A Lint Free Cloth Would Do The Trick?  Dinger   Jul-06-10 02:46 PM   #105 
        - ...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 02:49 PM   #106 
        - Or enter the 21st century. n/t  ProSense   Jul-06-10 02:51 PM   #108 
           - Is that fair? n/t  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 03:01 PM   #110 
           - Of course not. But fair's not a consideration when one's advancing an agenda.  ClassWarrior   Jul-06-10 03:21 PM   #119 
              - In the context of "broken record" and "lint free cloth" it's seems fair to me. n/t  ProSense   Jul-06-10 03:23 PM   #122 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-06-10 04:26 PM   #130 
                 - You are right about that. I apologize. I just found what...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 04:47 PM   #132 
           - I'd rather go back to the 20th century, when our public school system was the best in the world...  ClassWarrior   Jul-06-10 03:22 PM   #121 
              - Hey, CW, Never Give Up. We'll get it right...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 03:26 PM   #125 
                 - Hey Yvonne, I hope so. This is one area where I worry about my Prez's approach.  ClassWarrior   Jul-06-10 03:29 PM   #126 
                    - Me, too. For me, it's probably because I have...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 04:43 PM   #131 
                       - God bless teachers. Thank you for caring, my friend.  ClassWarrior   Jul-06-10 04:51 PM   #133 
                          - Thanks for...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 04:57 PM   #134 
     - So many charter schools are run by private entities:  LWolf   Jul-06-10 03:03 PM   #113 
        - Yeah - so many - all TEN PERCENT of them.  mzteris   Jul-06-10 06:17 PM   #137 
           - For profits and non-profits. All private.  LWolf   Jul-06-10 06:47 PM   #140 
  - Question, who here disagrees with this approach  ProSense   Jul-06-10 03:01 PM   #111 
  - The charter approach is like starving Usain Bolt, and then claiming you're a better runner.  ClassWarrior   Jul-06-10 03:04 PM   #114 
  - Excellent, that's Randi Weingarten's approach  ProSense   Jul-06-10 03:08 PM   #116 
     - I don't even know who the fuck Randi Weingarten is. I just know that charter schools are...  ClassWarrior   Jul-06-10 03:12 PM   #117 
  - I can agree with this part of...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 03:17 PM   #118 
  - And that says it all  ProSense   Jul-06-10 03:21 PM   #120 
     - Which is why I still have hope for President Obama to...  YvonneCa   Jul-06-10 03:24 PM   #124 
  - Weingarten taught at the Broad Superintendent's Academy, it shows.  madfloridian   Jul-06-10 05:44 PM   #136 
  - Charter schools are designed to drain money from public schools so they fail...  ClassWarrior   Jul-06-10 03:01 PM   #112 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-07-10 07:12 AM   #146 
  - Ok, so let's say what you say is true, what is the one big difference?  boston bean   Jul-06-10 06:26 PM   #139 
  - Charter schools are more able to adapt to their students needs and the real world.  NYC_SKP   Jul-07-10 08:06 AM   #147 
     - No they aren't. They are non-receptive to local voters. They are run by out-of-touch billionaires.  w4rma   Jul-08-10 06:55 PM   #158 
  - Reality? n/t  nyc 4 Biden   Jul-07-10 09:32 AM   #148 
  - The unions. (nt)  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jul-07-10 11:42 AM   #149 
  - Long weekend...  YvonneCa   Jul-07-10 12:12 PM   #150 
     - No, that's just the source of this particular meme.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jul-08-10 07:47 AM   #154 
        - And I've been in education long enough...  YvonneCa   Jul-08-10 06:55 PM   #157 
           - There's no nuance to this one.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jul-09-10 07:26 AM   #159 
              - There's that darn broken record...  YvonneCa   Jul-09-10 12:02 PM   #160 
                 - Well, let's consult the definition of a public school, but you seem to be murkying it.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jul-09-10 12:12 PM   #162 
                    - Funny...  YvonneCa   Jul-09-10 01:32 PM   #164 
                       - Don't forget the money of the teacher unions.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jul-09-10 02:16 PM   #165 
                          - They are the only semblance of a voice...  YvonneCa   Jul-09-10 03:38 PM   #166 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-08-10 06:23 PM   #155 
  - Arnie Duncan's, President Obama's and the DLC's war on public education and unions. (nt)  w4rma   Jul-08-10 06:54 PM   #156 

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