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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 09:44 AM
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86. Zero.

However, we did lose a lot of those seats because of Clinton's policies and politics.

The Assault Weapons Ban was our biggest loser in the short run. But in the longer run, Clinton's political success -- in a two presidential elections where the teabaggers were split between the Republican and Reform parties -- caused Democrats to emulate his campaign tactic which largely consisted of bad-mouthing his fellow Democrats.

The district where I grew up is a good example. We were pretty reliably Democratic even through the Reagan era. Not as progressive as some districts, but there was no confusing the Democrats with the Republicans, especially on the economic front. Then the local Democrats started copying Clinton's ploy decrying those damn liberals in Washington. And it worked after a fashion. They succeeded in convincing everyone that Democrats are bad, so they now mostly elect Republicans.

And they completely fail to see the correlation. They will tell you that they changed because the district changed. But I saw it happening at the time. If EVERYBODY argues in favor of Rightwing policies, then the voters are obviously going to favor Rightwing policies. They have never heard anybody make an argument against those policies.

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  -Too bad for all of you who are against President Obama, best thing akbacchus_BC  Jun-27-10 10:49 PM   #0 
  - mainly because half the people I was with believed it until I explained the situation to them  Starry Messenger   Jun-27-10 10:51 PM   #1 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-10 10:53 PM   #2 
     - I count great!  Starry Messenger   Jun-27-10 10:54 PM   #3 
        - Whatever floats your boat, knock yourself out!  akbacchus_BC   Jun-27-10 10:56 PM   #4 
           - I am both knocking and floating.  Starry Messenger   Jun-27-10 10:57 PM   #5 
              - Ever heard of waste not, want not, You fit the profile!  akbacchus_BC   Jun-27-10 11:12 PM   #9 
                 - I am wasting not, nor wanting.  Starry Messenger   Jun-27-10 11:13 PM   #10 
  - Best since Bush I?  VMI Dem   Jun-27-10 10:58 PM   #6 
  - The funnier part is your atrocious math skills.  phleshdef   Jun-27-10 11:32 PM   #20 
  - The even funnier part is that in your correction you use incorrect or at least non-standard grammar.  Tunkamerica   Jun-28-10 12:00 AM   #42 
     - I pride myself on nonstandard grammar.  phleshdef   Jun-28-10 08:45 AM   #81 
     - you forgot the commas in your title  mkultra   Jun-28-10 09:15 AM   #84 
  - I thought the same at first  Tunkamerica   Jun-27-10 11:57 PM   #38 
  - Be still my fluttering heart.  JVS   Jun-28-10 08:38 AM   #80 
  - Most of the criticism around here stems from his catering to big money  DJ13   Jun-27-10 11:00 PM   #7 
  - You know, you are so right, I was hoping to see real change and  akbacchus_BC   Jun-27-10 11:09 PM   #8 
  - Agree least he is TRYING! nt  caledesi   Jun-27-10 11:35 PM   #22 
  - Exactly what would you have done to keep our economy from flatlining  volvoblue   Jun-27-10 11:23 PM   #12 
  - Your so called being cozy with the corporations stem from your need to see blood  DJ13   Jun-27-10 11:30 PM   #16 
  - Reinstating regulations to prevent the 'too big to fails' from digging deeper holes would be a start  havocmom   Jun-27-10 11:30 PM   #17 
  - Declaring war on business and no one would have a job  treestar   Jun-27-10 11:47 PM   #29 
  - You dont declare anything  DJ13   Jun-28-10 12:12 AM   #53 
  - Considering that using the fact that the banks were coming to the government for a big fucking  Raineyb   Jun-28-10 03:50 PM   #104 
  - "You cant fix all the years of GOP sucking up to big business by .......sucking up to big business."  havocmom   Jun-27-10 11:29 PM   #15 
  - Yeah well he fixed 90% and that's good enough for me n/t  sandnsea   Jun-27-10 11:35 PM   #23 
  - Nor can you fix three decades of economic rape in under three years.  Chulanowa   Jun-27-10 11:37 PM   #24 
  - Thank you and even when your own people voting against you!  akbacchus_BC   Jun-27-10 11:47 PM   #30 
  - That's actually par for the course for the Democratic Party  Chulanowa   Jun-27-10 11:53 PM   #34 
  - He should be glad he got one vote on promises, for you to expect more than that In return for  pundaint   Jun-28-10 12:01 AM   #44 
     - He hasn't diverged too much from this '08 supporter  Chulanowa   Jun-28-10 12:09 AM   #49 
        - You make unsupported allegations.  pundaint   Jun-28-10 12:15 AM   #56 
           - What, that some "supporters" were ignorant and milquetoast?  Chulanowa   Jun-28-10 12:23 AM   #62 
              - Your third and fifth to name two.  pundaint   Jun-28-10 12:45 AM   #73 
  - There are so many insane assumptions underlying that post  treestar   Jun-27-10 11:45 PM   #27 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-10 11:19 PM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-10 11:27 PM   #14 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-28-10 12:10 AM   #51 
  - It's always been easier to destroy and criticize than it is to support and build  NJmaverick   Jun-28-10 07:39 AM   #77 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-28-10 03:54 PM   #105 
  - Do you even know who was president 16 years ago?  Beacool   Jun-27-10 11:27 PM   #13 
  - 2010-16=1994 = Bill Clinton was President.  phleshdef   Jun-27-10 11:31 PM   #18 
  - I was thinking of when he got elected.  Beacool   Jun-27-10 11:47 PM   #28 
     - nm  Tunkamerica   Jun-28-10 12:03 AM   #45 
     - Bush was president until the morning of January 20, 1993.  Beacool   Jun-28-10 12:17 AM   #57 
        - yep, you're right. i was but a wee child. should've done the math  Tunkamerica   Jun-28-10 12:34 AM   #68 
           - No problem............  Beacool   Jun-28-10 12:37 AM   #70 
     - Good for you. How many senate seats, governorships, congressional seats,  suzie   Jun-28-10 08:56 AM   #82 
     - Zero.  ieoeja   Jun-28-10 09:44 AM   #86 
     - I'm sorry, but I watched a lot of good Democrats, FDR Democrats, turn away  suzie   Jun-28-10 10:08 AM   #87 
        - The AWB passed in '94. Dems lost the House AND Senate in '94. Lewinsky was hired in '95.  benEzra   Jun-28-10 10:55 AM   #91 
           - Gennifer Flowers was in '95? Paula Jones in 95'?  suzie   Jun-28-10 02:51 PM   #101 
              - Gennifer Flowers and Paula Jones were widely perceived as peripheral issues  benEzra   Jun-28-10 03:22 PM   #103 
     - That's your prerogative.  Beacool   Jun-28-10 12:35 PM   #99 
        - I'll direct my disdain exactly where it's deserved and that's on Bill Clinton and  suzie   Jun-28-10 03:21 PM   #102 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-28-10 11:13 AM   #93 
        - Uncalled for...............  Beacool   Jun-28-10 12:28 PM   #98 
  - Bill Clinton, If I were to ask you to same question re Canada, you  akbacchus_BC   Jun-27-10 11:34 PM   #21 
  - no question there.  Tunkamerica   Jun-28-10 12:05 AM   #47 
  - No they don't. Why do they need their feet held to the fire?  treestar   Jun-27-10 11:45 PM   #26 
  - It's no longer "holding feet to the fire", more like scorching them  SunsetDreams   Jun-27-10 11:51 PM   #31 
  - Whatever.............  Beacool   Jun-27-10 11:51 PM   #32 
  - You are one trick pony! No matter what the President does, you will  akbacchus_BC   Jun-28-10 12:03 AM   #46 
     - And you're not, dear?  Beacool   Jun-28-10 12:12 AM   #52 
        - Well that was a good idea! Why not go after Jindal!  treestar   Jun-28-10 12:18 AM   #58 
        - I have no problem going after any Republican.  Beacool   Jun-28-10 12:28 AM   #65 
           - So it would have been for Hillary or anyone else  treestar   Jun-28-10 09:14 AM   #83 
           - here cum the masturbation references  dave29   Jun-28-10 11:09 PM   #109 
        - Wasting my time replying to you, but here you go! No matter what  akbacchus_BC   Jun-28-10 12:20 AM   #61 
           - Oh, chill out.  Beacool   Jun-28-10 12:35 AM   #69 
              - And yet, you suggested upthread that it was improper to criticize Bill Clinton.  suzie   Jun-29-10 07:20 AM   #114 
  - When the economy fell into the crapper, Obama needed to make the economy his first priority  amandabeech   Jun-28-10 12:37 PM   #100 
  - I absolutely LOVE your .gif. GO, ARGENTINA!!!  Common Sense Party   Jun-28-10 12:23 AM   #63 
     - Thanks!!!  Beacool   Jun-28-10 12:31 AM   #66 
        - Yup. Fantastic golazo. I'm a bit bummed that with all the double- and triple-  Common Sense Party   Jun-28-10 01:34 AM   #75 
           - I'm so hoping they advance to the next round.  Beacool   Jun-28-10 08:15 AM   #78 
  - Amen A! nt  caledesi   Jun-27-10 11:32 PM   #19 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-10 11:42 PM   #25 
     - They did not vote for Obama when? Maybe in the primaries.  Beacool   Jun-27-10 11:56 PM   #37 
  - How is voting for a politician who offers me nothing of what I want, honest? You can no longer  pundaint   Jun-27-10 11:52 PM   #33 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-10 11:55 PM   #36 
  - I voted for him. Can I have it back?  Dr.Phool   Jun-28-10 12:10 AM   #50 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-28-10 12:13 AM   #55 
     - You sound like on all-knowing idiot.  Dr.Phool   Jun-28-10 12:33 AM   #67 
  - Strong argument, but now you are wrong about more things.  pundaint   Jun-28-10 12:13 AM   #54 
  - Who is this "us" you speak of?  SunsetDreams   Jun-27-10 11:57 PM   #40 
  - Not the person's fault, sometimes we get carried away assuming 'we'  akbacchus_BC   Jun-28-10 12:00 AM   #41 
  - As near as I have evidence there's me and the two individuals who were kind enough  pundaint   Jun-28-10 12:41 AM   #72 
  - Nothing?  treestar   Jun-28-10 12:18 AM   #59 
     - No, my want's are simple. Open government. No lobbyists in government. Healthcare reform without  pundaint   Jun-28-10 12:54 AM   #74 
  - I agree with you, but you sound drunk  BeyondGeography   Jun-27-10 11:55 PM   #35 
  - Wow, you can see through the computer? Never been drunk but thanks!  akbacchus_BC   Jun-27-10 11:57 PM   #39 
     - You're not missing much  BeyondGeography   Jun-28-10 12:01 AM   #43 
     - bye .............  akbacchus_BC   Jun-28-10 12:05 AM   #48 
     - A drunk might confuse hearing with seeing. I have not formed a sobriety opinion myself, jest saying  pundaint   Jun-28-10 09:40 AM   #85 
  - KnR.....GOP guilty of Delusional Decisions....vain and void of reason..  opihimoimoi   Jun-28-10 12:19 AM   #60 
  - Not even the Gop, some Dems are voting against him, Sad!  akbacchus_BC   Jun-28-10 12:27 AM   #64 
     - There are always a few to vote the other way.....rectify by voting them out.  opihimoimoi   Jun-28-10 12:38 AM   #71 
  - Flamebait,  saracat   Jun-28-10 01:40 AM   #76 
  - Definately flame bait, IBTL  mochajava666   Jun-28-10 08:24 AM   #79 
  - Yes, it is.  Blue_In_AK   Jun-28-10 10:29 PM   #108 
  - You know, I'm not against Obama,  MadHound   Jun-28-10 10:11 AM   #88 
  - Fuckin'-A spot on right ! HUGE GOOD accomplishments in just a year and half. Naysayers need a  RBInMaine   Jun-28-10 10:11 AM   #89 
  - I think you need a reality check.  arcadian   Jun-28-10 12:13 PM   #95 
  - We support him, but not the war, the crapsurance bill, continued rendition, torture gitmo, etc....  grahamhgreen   Jun-28-10 10:47 AM   #90 
  - I support him because he beats the alternative.  Orsino   Jun-28-10 11:04 AM   #92 
  - Hijacked threads need to be locked. n/t  Fire1   Jun-28-10 11:16 AM   #94 
  - Hijacked? The OP INVITED a flame war.  Go2Peace   Jun-28-10 09:24 PM   #107 
  - +10000  Phx_Dem   Jun-28-10 12:17 PM   #96 
  - I will say it again. We are not sheep . . . or lemmings.  Vinca   Jun-28-10 12:23 PM   #97 
  - I thought Obama bashing wasn't allowed anymore on the forum.  Xenotime   Jun-28-10 04:32 PM   #106 
  - because  Skittles   Jun-29-10 12:06 AM   #111 
  - LOLOL  Skittles   Jun-29-10 12:06 AM   #110 
     - Just listen to Rachel's comments regarding all that President  Lindsey   Jun-29-10 01:14 AM   #112 
     - Just listen to Rachel's comment regarding all that President  Lindsey   Jun-29-10 01:21 AM   #113 

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