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Fri Jun-25-10 12:54 PM
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a noble effort in the 80s, after the Soviet Union left. We had poured so much money and resources into Afghanistan, but then we just abandoned the people after we got our kicks from winning the proxy war.
IMO, there was a missed opportunity to help the Afghan people rebuild their country once the occupation ended. If we had made any humanitarian efforts at that time, Afghanistan might have been a different country today - several generations of educated citizens and a functioning state would perhaps have prevented the Taliban from gaining power.
But we didn't, we just disappeared and left a vacuum there. As Charlie Wilson said, "We fucked up the endgame."
Right now I doubt an education program would have much impact at all - it's kind of hard to win the hearts and minds of women and girls while we're killing their husbands, fathers and brothers.
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| -Why we are in Afghanistan |
berni_mccoy |
Jun-24-10 01:56 AM |
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I've been trying to get this through to people for a while now |
Chulanowa |
Jun-24-10 02:09 AM |
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Exactly. |
vaberella |
Jun-24-10 03:21 AM |
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berni where you been?! Missed your posts. This is actually why I am on the fence with this war. |
vaberella |
Jun-24-10 03:20 AM |
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Been taking shelter in the Barrack Obama Group, staying away from the hate |
berni_mccoy |
Jun-24-10 09:03 AM |
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I am really glad to see you back. Your knowledge of political... |
kjackson227 |
Jun-24-10 10:43 AM |
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Mineral resources... |
depakid |
Jun-24-10 03:28 AM |
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Those were given to Japan. |
JTFrog |
Jun-24-10 06:38 AM |
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LOL- no, they weren't |
depakid |
Jun-24-10 07:00 AM |
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It's certainly what Karzai and Japan have been saying... |
JTFrog |
Jun-24-10 07:10 AM |
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Without delving further into the deals, who makes money and geopolitical spheres of influence |
depakid |
Jun-24-10 07:49 AM |
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I'll admit to not knowing much about Japan or China being a proxy for the US. |
JTFrog |
Jun-24-10 08:08 AM |
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That's part of it |
depakid |
Jun-24-10 08:19 AM |
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+ Oil & Gas |
donheld |
Jun-24-10 11:26 PM |
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Bush Doctrine. Whoo hoo! |
VMI Dem |
Jun-24-10 04:25 AM |
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'tis the white man's burden to protect the lowly savages by |
Warren Stupidity |
Jun-24-10 04:56 AM |
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Almost ten years. Ten long years. |
cali |
Jun-24-10 06:00 AM |
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Almost 9 years under Bush. Only a year and a half under Obama. |
berni_mccoy |
Jun-24-10 08:57 AM |
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Bush? Who is this "Bush"? |
Chulanowa |
Jun-24-10 10:43 AM |
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Thanks, Berni for the information. Some think it is so easy... |
kjackson227 |
Jun-24-10 08:14 AM |
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LBJ hated the war from the beginning |
Enrique |
Jun-24-10 09:35 AM |
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I hope so, too. But, I trust Obama to get us out earlier, if possible... |
kjackson227 |
Jun-24-10 10:41 AM |
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It amazes me how many Monday Morning Quarterbacks |
goclark |
Jun-27-10 12:18 AM |
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Don't forget the nuclear weapons in destabilizing Pakistan. |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Jun-24-10 08:58 AM |
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You are absolutely correct on that...when a dirty nuke hits US |
golfguru |
Jun-27-10 12:39 AM |
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yes, that's the reason for all our wars |
Enrique |
Jun-24-10 09:21 AM |
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I'm not sure why you draw that conclusion. That's not what got us there. |
berni_mccoy |
Jun-24-10 09:24 AM |
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the name of the war was Operation Enduring Freedom |
Enrique |
Jun-24-10 09:31 AM |
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That's pretty flawed logic basing the reason for the invasion on the name of the operation |
berni_mccoy |
Jun-24-10 09:42 AM |
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actually, we only went there gto kill Bin laden. You remember him right |
mkultra |
Jun-24-10 06:34 PM |
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We're there for the children. |
rug |
Jun-24-10 09:25 AM |
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LOL |
Tutankhamun |
Jun-24-10 09:28 PM |
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Heart string tugging distraction |
TheKentuckian |
Jun-24-10 09:38 AM |
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You missed the point. It's not a heart-string argument. Read "Three Cups of Tea"... |
berni_mccoy |
Jun-24-10 10:28 AM |
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I'm surprised you waste your time posting here |
pscot |
Jun-24-10 10:42 PM |
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At the expense of Social Security? In a trade off at the expense of our own infrastructure? |
TheKentuckian |
Jun-25-10 08:41 AM |
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+1000 n/t |
jeanpalmer |
Jun-26-10 01:01 AM |
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You souldn't use the plight of Afghanistan women as an excuse for |
tekisui |
Jun-24-10 10:45 AM |
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You didn't read it, did you? See my response #25 above. |
berni_mccoy |
Jun-24-10 10:51 AM |
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I read it. |
tekisui |
Jun-24-10 10:53 AM |
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You can't educate them when the Taliban and AQ are gassing the schools |
berni_mccoy |
Jun-24-10 11:08 AM |
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And how do we know when it is safe for us to leave? |
tekisui |
Jun-24-10 11:11 AM |
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The same questions were asked about Iraq. |
berni_mccoy |
Jun-24-10 11:32 AM |
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I wouldn't point to a thing about Iraq as helping your argument. |
tekisui |
Jun-24-10 01:41 PM |
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That's pretty much it. |
Robeson |
Jun-24-10 06:39 PM |
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+1000 and while we continue to allocate huge sums of this nations |
bluethruandthru |
Jun-25-10 01:08 PM |
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It will be safe for us to leave when we're knee-deep in some other |
sad sally |
Jun-26-10 10:58 PM |
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It's hard to educate dead women and children also. |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-24-10 05:51 PM |
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Maybe you just need to look at it from a different perspective. |
noamnety |
Jun-24-10 10:59 PM |
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And I'm sick of hearing the "NATO loves bombing wedding parties" nonsense. |
Robb |
Jun-25-10 10:50 AM |
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selective memory |
noamnety |
Jun-25-10 01:35 PM |
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Fortunately for you, I'm quite familiar with these events. |
Robb |
Jun-25-10 03:23 PM |
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Rec'd. |
treestar |
Jun-24-10 11:03 AM |
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Jun-24-10 03:30 PM |
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Maybe we should let the people of Afghanistan speak for |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-24-10 05:23 PM |
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Col. Kurtz on why we will leave Afghanistan without 'winning' |
maxsolomon |
Jun-24-10 06:01 PM |
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That man sounds like he needs some serious |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-24-10 06:24 PM |
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Well, he was fictional, but the point was that Evil is relative |
maxsolomon |
Jun-24-10 07:05 PM |
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Thanks. |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-25-10 12:56 AM |
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We are in Afghanistan because Obama chose to escalate a losing war |
IndianaGreen |
Jun-24-10 06:05 PM |
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Jun-24-10 06:26 PM |
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The Subject Line Was Promising |
Moochy |
Jun-24-10 11:37 PM |
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We have to accept the fact that the world operates differently than it ought |
LittleBlue |
Jun-24-10 11:47 PM |
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The Taliban is our own Frankenstein's Monster inflicted on the Afghans. We need to kill it. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-25-10 12:03 AM |
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30 years of war have done nothing good for afghanistan |
bhikkhu |
Jun-25-10 01:03 AM |
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Well-placed campaign-based TRIANGULATION --- |
smalll |
Jun-25-10 03:06 AM |
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Here is the post in favor of DLC Triangulation |
Moochy |
Jun-25-10 10:24 AM |
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Hey I have seen this argument for the war before |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Jun-25-10 03:25 AM |
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The poster loves to recycle |
Moochy |
Jun-25-10 10:22 AM |
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What pretzel logic for continuing Bush's policies n/t |
Catherina |
Jun-25-10 10:38 AM |
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It's like saying we need to make shit not smell bad |
zulchzulu |
Jun-25-10 11:16 AM |
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we are there for the time being cause like in Viet Nam in the mid sixties it is considered way too |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jun-25-10 11:18 AM |
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Get.The. Fuck. Out. Now. |
Autumn |
Jun-25-10 12:44 PM |
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Education may have been |
alsame |
Jun-25-10 12:54 PM |
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If we are actually fighting the Taliban then it should be easy |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Jun-26-10 11:04 PM |
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