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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 02:09 PM
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53. The last time McChrystal pulled this kind of public stunt
...was when Biden was suggesting to end the counter insurgency. McC went public with his assertions that all would be lost if he didn't have additional troops--Obama gave him 30,000. As Obama's withdraw date looms, perhaps McC thought he could get away with it again.
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  -Suggest people read RS article before commenting on whether McChrystal was disrespectful. jody  Jun-23-10 04:58 AM   #0 
  - Bullshit. n/t  yourguide   Jun-23-10 05:02 AM   #1 
  - You really want to way bullshit to something that simply says you should read something before  BrentWil   Jun-23-10 05:39 PM   #61 
     - that's not all the OP says  fishwax   Jun-23-10 06:27 PM   #65 
     - I read the article and called bullshit on the OPs assertions...  yourguide   Jun-23-10 07:45 PM   #84 
  - I read it and you are absolutely wrong  spiritual_gunfighter   Jun-23-10 05:04 AM   #2 
  - He was disrespectful  liberal N proud   Jun-23-10 05:04 AM   #3 
  - I read the article, and he was way, way out of line.  SCRUBDASHRUB   Jun-23-10 06:34 PM   #67 
  - I read it too - I actually didn't see any quote from  OhioBlue   Jun-23-10 10:01 PM   #90 
  - "Special Ops Officers Shocked by McChrystal Comments"  AtomicKitten   Jun-23-10 05:07 AM   #4 
  - What sentence(s) in the RS article constitute "disrespect" in your mind? n/t  jody   Jun-23-10 05:10 AM   #6 
  - I suggest you read it again. Slowly. nt  AtomicKitten   Jun-23-10 05:10 AM   #7 
     - LOL. n/t  jody   Jun-23-10 05:14 AM   #10 
  - +1.  jefferson_dem   Jun-23-10 05:24 AM   #14 
  - My dad always told me to let off steam by lifting weights or raking the yard  Chulanowa   Jun-23-10 05:08 AM   #5 
  - Please quote in context the RS sentence(s) that constitutes disrespect by McChrystal. n/t  jody   Jun-23-10 05:12 AM   #9 
  - I have to ask...  PavePusher   Jun-23-10 11:03 PM   #96 
  - Culture of insubordination.  moondust   Jun-23-10 05:11 AM   #8 
  - Yup. That's why some of his head guys resigned. n/t  vaberella   Jun-23-10 05:21 AM   #12 
  - insubordination is disrespectful  Lil Missy   Jun-23-10 05:19 AM   #11 
  - I think you are mistaken ....  gleaner   Jun-23-10 05:23 AM   #13 
  - +Infinity. n/t  vaberella   Jun-23-10 07:51 AM   #36 
  - MacArthur was not fired for publicly criticizing policies.  ieoeja   Jun-23-10 09:32 AM   #46 
     - Thanks for the info ....  gleaner   Jun-23-10 06:53 PM   #70 
     - It was classified information until sometime in the 80's (I think).  ieoeja   Jun-24-10 11:16 AM   #108 
     - Please provide a credible link to support your assertion "relieved for lying". Thanks. n/t  jody   Jun-23-10 07:00 PM   #72 
        - The Forgotten War  ieoeja   Jun-24-10 09:55 AM   #107 
  - too much mouth will get you in trouble.  cleveramerican   Jun-23-10 05:37 AM   #15 
  - He seems to be not thinking very clearly.  Webster Green   Jun-23-10 05:42 AM   #16 
  - How about this one to start  Xipe Totec   Jun-23-10 05:47 AM   #17 
  - Agree with your selection as the most damming quote in the RS article. McChrystal was preparing to  jody   Jun-23-10 06:01 AM   #20 
  - And this one  Xipe Totec   Jun-23-10 05:54 AM   #18 
  - You did note that Holbrooke is not McChrystal's superior and insubordination would be impossible.  jody   Jun-23-10 06:05 AM   #21 
     - Go back and read your own OP  Xipe Totec   Jun-23-10 06:17 AM   #25 
        - Mea culpa, you are correct but it's too late to add insubordinate. LOL at my mistake. n/t  jody   Jun-23-10 06:27 AM   #27 
  - To whom are he and his aides NOT disrespectful?  pnwmom   Jun-23-10 05:58 AM   #19 
  - Who has allowed "diplomatic incoherence" that "hampered efforts" in Afghanistan? Perhaps those  jody   Jun-23-10 06:10 AM   #22 
     - That comment also showed a complete incoherence in McChrystal's logic  karynnj   Jun-23-10 08:45 AM   #40 
        - The RS article did not say McChrystal said "incoherence" and H. Clinton works for Obama, not  jody   Jun-23-10 03:56 PM   #54 
           - I never suggested otherwise  karynnj   Jun-23-10 05:29 PM   #58 
              - You said "complete incoherence in McChrystal's logic"using RS words "This diplomatic incoherence  jody   Jun-23-10 06:07 PM   #63 
  - Maybe you can  POAS   Jun-23-10 06:14 AM   #23 
  - Please cite the RS quote attributed to McChrystal that you believe violates the UCMJ. n/t  jody   Jun-23-10 06:17 AM   #24 
     - Are you saying he was respectful in all  POAS   Jun-23-10 06:20 AM   #26 
        - Issue in the media/forums is the RS article. You use the UCMJ so what statement in the RS article  jody   Jun-23-10 06:31 AM   #28 
           - What part of "all of them" do you NOT understand...  POAS   Jun-23-10 06:39 AM   #29 
              - Not baiting at all. I'm very familiar with UCMJ, I've read RS's article and IMO it does not quote  jody   Jun-23-10 06:53 AM   #32 
  - The OP makes a good point - Gen. M really didn't actually say anything that is insubordinate - but,  leveymg   Jun-23-10 06:44 AM   #30 
  - Touche "office politics with Hellfire missiles". n/t  jody   Jun-23-10 06:55 AM   #33 
  - And that "top advisor" resigned. n/t  vaberella   Jun-23-10 07:55 AM   #37 
  - Agree completely. n/t  OhioBlue   Jun-23-10 10:07 PM   #91 
  - So So McChrystal should skate away, using the Ken Lay defense?  mwb970   Jun-23-10 06:48 AM   #31 
  - I read it and he clearly violated Article 88 of the UCMJ at least three times n/t  WeDidIt   Jun-23-10 07:11 AM   #34 
  - I found one, quoted below, that some might use. What are the other two?  jody   Jun-23-10 07:16 AM   #35 
     - John Kerry, the chair of SFRC, and McCain, the Ranking Member of Armed Services are "talking heads"?  karynnj   Jun-23-10 08:55 AM   #42 
        - The Commander in Chief's staff includes Sec. Defense & Sec. State. The author of the article asserts  jody   Jun-23-10 04:07 PM   #55 
           - That assumes that you believe McChrystal  karynnj   Jun-23-10 05:26 PM   #56 
              - Do we disagree on the authority of a Commander in Chief? n/t  jody   Jun-23-10 05:28 PM   #57 
                 - of course not- and he just fired the person most contributing to discord apparently  karynnj   Jun-23-10 05:31 PM   #60 
                    - Hope you are correct and we can see rapid progress toward the goals set by Obama, ""We have a clear  jody   Jun-23-10 05:44 PM   #62 
                       - My dream? you are making some big assumptions there - and they are wrong  karynnj   Jun-23-10 07:00 PM   #73 
                          - WHAT! You mean our Commander in Chief is not responsible! Has there been an amendment to our  jody   Jun-23-10 07:08 PM   #74 
                             - When did Obama argue for that goal - it seemed he has cited much more limited goals  karynnj   Jun-23-10 07:15 PM   #76 
                                - Please read the RS article that some accept as credible. When Obama appointed McChrystal he approved  jody   Jun-23-10 07:24 PM   #79 
                                   - I read the RS article  karynnj   Jun-23-10 07:39 PM   #81 
                                      - Thanks for the exchange. Have a pleasant evening and goodbye. n/t  jody   Jun-23-10 07:41 PM   #83 
  - You're splitting hairs  zipplewrath   Jun-23-10 08:10 AM   #38 
  - DING DING DING! Zipplewrath, you're our grand prize winner!  rocktivity   Jun-23-10 09:37 AM   #47 
  - all good points  NatBurner   Jun-23-10 09:47 AM   #49 
  - Good point.  Vattel   Jun-23-10 08:38 AM   #39 
  - McChrystal is in charge of a specific operation.  saltpoint   Jun-23-10 08:45 AM   #41 
  - Sorry I read it, and a general cannot be critical of the civilian government the way he was.  WI_DEM   Jun-23-10 09:00 AM   #43 
  - There's plenty of grounds in this article for giving McChrystal the axe.  rocktivity   Jun-23-10 09:02 AM   #44 
  - I've read it......General should go!  trayfoot   Jun-23-10 09:03 AM   #45 
  - read it  NatBurner   Jun-23-10 09:45 AM   #48 
  - I disagree with you  Tailormyst   Jun-23-10 09:54 AM   #50 
  - Michael Hastings' interview last night with Anderson Cooper reveals intent  me b zola   Jun-23-10 10:05 AM   #51 
  - That's an excellent point. This may be Gen. M's way of going public and getting the attention  leveymg   Jun-23-10 01:41 PM   #52 
     - The last time McChrystal pulled this kind of public stunt  me b zola   Jun-23-10 02:09 PM   #53 
  - That's just it - Obama is his superior and if he has a problem he should've taken it to Obama -NOT  jillan   Jun-23-10 05:31 PM   #59 
  - It's not about what McChrystal said.  Diamonique   Jun-23-10 06:15 PM   #64 
  - So, fire McChrystal but will that change Obama's policy and bring troops home as rapidly as safety  jody   Jun-23-10 06:32 PM   #66 
     - I don't know the answer to that question, and neither do you.  Diamonique   Jun-23-10 06:45 PM   #68 
        - But you said " It's not about what McChrystal said." I agree, the major issue is whether Obama  jody   Jun-23-10 06:57 PM   #71 
  - LOL!  FrenchieCat   Jun-23-10 06:51 PM   #69 
  - I didn't even have to go past the first page. What are you talking about?  stevenleser   Jun-23-10 07:08 PM   #75 
  - There is etiquette  Rosa Luxemburg   Jun-23-10 07:17 PM   #77 
  - It doesn't matter much how we interpret the situation...  JuniperLea   Jun-23-10 07:20 PM   #78 
  - Read the whole thing. Disrespectful on multiple levels.  donco6   Jun-23-10 07:33 PM   #80 
  - I've read the entire article several times. The only thing I read that might be disrespectful is the  jody   Jun-23-10 07:40 PM   #82 
     - Insubordinate  donco6   Jun-23-10 08:11 PM   #85 
        - How is it "Insubordinate" to jest about going to dinner with a "French minister" when McChrystal  jody   Jun-23-10 08:22 PM   #86 
           - Where on earth do I support more war?  donco6   Jun-24-10 12:24 AM   #98 
              - OK you and I agree Obama should bring our troops home as rapidly as safety will permit. Obama fired  jody   Jun-24-10 08:25 AM   #104 
                 - Sounds good to me.  donco6   Jun-24-10 08:35 AM   #106 
  - So you're apologizing to McChrystal like Barton did to BP? n/t  jenmito   Jun-23-10 08:27 PM   #87 
  - ROFL, you know I didn't apologize. n/t  jody   Jun-23-10 08:39 PM   #88 
     - You're defending him. n/t  jenmito   Jun-23-10 08:41 PM   #89 
     - No, my OP gave the link to RS' article and suggested people read it. How people interpret the  jody   Jun-23-10 10:13 PM   #93 
        - Yeah, Right....... (n/t)  Paladin   Jun-24-10 06:30 AM   #102 
     - defending them like Barton did for BP  JI7   Jun-23-10 10:07 PM   #92 
        - ROFL, have a good evening. n/t  jody   Jun-23-10 10:14 PM   #94 
  - I read it and I get what you're saying  OhioBlue   Jun-23-10 10:15 PM   #95 
  - For all the folks bitchin' about "insubordination"...  PavePusher   Jun-23-10 11:11 PM   #97 
  - So if this is OK  yourguide   Jun-24-10 08:29 AM   #105 
  - Did you watch Maddow's show last night?:  jenmito   Jun-24-10 12:23 PM   #111 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-24-10 12:53 AM   #99 
  - You can't have a guy like him work with people he bad mouthed.  Jennicut   Jun-24-10 02:02 AM   #100 
  - He didn't want the adminstrative nature of the job  Jeneral2885   Jun-24-10 04:50 AM   #101 
  - If nothing else, he showed poor judgement in allowing the reporter access  CBGLuthier   Jun-24-10 07:42 AM   #103 
  - The long and the short of it is that Obama can dismiss any  hedgehog   Jun-24-10 11:25 AM   #109 
  - Agree and voters can dismiss presidents every four years and all congresspersons every two years.  jody   Jun-24-10 12:43 PM   #112 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-24-10 11:44 AM   #110 

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