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Wed Jun-23-10 06:39 AM
Response to Reply #28 |
| 29. What part of "all of them" do you NOT understand... |
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Your being deliberately baiting and did not in anyway try to justify your position as it relates to my quoted portion of the code. I asked you directly to say why you think his, and his staffs remarks (left uncorrected) made in his presence with a reporter present, were NOT disrespectful. The statements do NOT need to be insubordinate to violate this section they merely need to be disrespectful.
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| -Suggest people read RS article before commenting on whether McChrystal was disrespectful. |
jody |
Jun-23-10 04:58 AM |
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Bullshit. n/t |
yourguide |
Jun-23-10 05:02 AM |
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You really want to way bullshit to something that simply says you should read something before |
BrentWil |
Jun-23-10 05:39 PM |
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that's not all the OP says |
fishwax |
Jun-23-10 06:27 PM |
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I read the article and called bullshit on the OPs assertions... |
yourguide |
Jun-23-10 07:45 PM |
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I read it and you are absolutely wrong |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Jun-23-10 05:04 AM |
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He was disrespectful |
liberal N proud |
Jun-23-10 05:04 AM |
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I read the article, and he was way, way out of line. |
SCRUBDASHRUB |
Jun-23-10 06:34 PM |
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I read it too - I actually didn't see any quote from |
OhioBlue |
Jun-23-10 10:01 PM |
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"Special Ops Officers Shocked by McChrystal Comments" |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-23-10 05:07 AM |
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What sentence(s) in the RS article constitute "disrespect" in your mind? n/t |
jody |
Jun-23-10 05:10 AM |
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I suggest you read it again. Slowly. nt |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-23-10 05:10 AM |
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LOL. n/t |
jody |
Jun-23-10 05:14 AM |
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+1. |
jefferson_dem |
Jun-23-10 05:24 AM |
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My dad always told me to let off steam by lifting weights or raking the yard |
Chulanowa |
Jun-23-10 05:08 AM |
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Please quote in context the RS sentence(s) that constitutes disrespect by McChrystal. n/t |
jody |
Jun-23-10 05:12 AM |
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I have to ask... |
PavePusher |
Jun-23-10 11:03 PM |
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Culture of insubordination. |
moondust |
Jun-23-10 05:11 AM |
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Yup. That's why some of his head guys resigned. n/t |
vaberella |
Jun-23-10 05:21 AM |
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insubordination is disrespectful |
Lil Missy |
Jun-23-10 05:19 AM |
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I think you are mistaken .... |
gleaner |
Jun-23-10 05:23 AM |
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+Infinity. n/t |
vaberella |
Jun-23-10 07:51 AM |
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MacArthur was not fired for publicly criticizing policies. |
ieoeja |
Jun-23-10 09:32 AM |
#46 |
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Thanks for the info .... |
gleaner |
Jun-23-10 06:53 PM |
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It was classified information until sometime in the 80's (I think). |
ieoeja |
Jun-24-10 11:16 AM |
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Please provide a credible link to support your assertion "relieved for lying". Thanks. n/t |
jody |
Jun-23-10 07:00 PM |
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The Forgotten War |
ieoeja |
Jun-24-10 09:55 AM |
#107 |
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too much mouth will get you in trouble. |
cleveramerican |
Jun-23-10 05:37 AM |
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He seems to be not thinking very clearly. |
Webster Green |
Jun-23-10 05:42 AM |
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How about this one to start |
Xipe Totec |
Jun-23-10 05:47 AM |
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Agree with your selection as the most damming quote in the RS article. McChrystal was preparing to |
jody |
Jun-23-10 06:01 AM |
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And this one |
Xipe Totec |
Jun-23-10 05:54 AM |
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You did note that Holbrooke is not McChrystal's superior and insubordination would be impossible. |
jody |
Jun-23-10 06:05 AM |
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Go back and read your own OP |
Xipe Totec |
Jun-23-10 06:17 AM |
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Mea culpa, you are correct but it's too late to add insubordinate. LOL at my mistake. n/t |
jody |
Jun-23-10 06:27 AM |
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To whom are he and his aides NOT disrespectful? |
pnwmom |
Jun-23-10 05:58 AM |
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Who has allowed "diplomatic incoherence" that "hampered efforts" in Afghanistan? Perhaps those |
jody |
Jun-23-10 06:10 AM |
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That comment also showed a complete incoherence in McChrystal's logic |
karynnj |
Jun-23-10 08:45 AM |
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The RS article did not say McChrystal said "incoherence" and H. Clinton works for Obama, not |
jody |
Jun-23-10 03:56 PM |
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I never suggested otherwise |
karynnj |
Jun-23-10 05:29 PM |
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You said "complete incoherence in McChrystal's logic"using RS words "This diplomatic incoherence |
jody |
Jun-23-10 06:07 PM |
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Maybe you can |
POAS |
Jun-23-10 06:14 AM |
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Please cite the RS quote attributed to McChrystal that you believe violates the UCMJ. n/t |
jody |
Jun-23-10 06:17 AM |
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Are you saying he was respectful in all |
POAS |
Jun-23-10 06:20 AM |
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Issue in the media/forums is the RS article. You use the UCMJ so what statement in the RS article |
jody |
Jun-23-10 06:31 AM |
#28 |
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What part of "all of them" do you NOT understand... |
POAS |
Jun-23-10 06:39 AM |
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Not baiting at all. I'm very familiar with UCMJ, I've read RS's article and IMO it does not quote |
jody |
Jun-23-10 06:53 AM |
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The OP makes a good point - Gen. M really didn't actually say anything that is insubordinate - but, |
leveymg |
Jun-23-10 06:44 AM |
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Touche "office politics with Hellfire missiles". n/t |
jody |
Jun-23-10 06:55 AM |
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And that "top advisor" resigned. n/t |
vaberella |
Jun-23-10 07:55 AM |
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Agree completely. n/t |
OhioBlue |
Jun-23-10 10:07 PM |
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So So McChrystal should skate away, using the Ken Lay defense? |
mwb970 |
Jun-23-10 06:48 AM |
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I read it and he clearly violated Article 88 of the UCMJ at least three times n/t |
WeDidIt |
Jun-23-10 07:11 AM |
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I found one, quoted below, that some might use. What are the other two? |
jody |
Jun-23-10 07:16 AM |
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John Kerry, the chair of SFRC, and McCain, the Ranking Member of Armed Services are "talking heads"? |
karynnj |
Jun-23-10 08:55 AM |
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The Commander in Chief's staff includes Sec. Defense & Sec. State. The author of the article asserts |
jody |
Jun-23-10 04:07 PM |
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That assumes that you believe McChrystal |
karynnj |
Jun-23-10 05:26 PM |
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Do we disagree on the authority of a Commander in Chief? n/t |
jody |
Jun-23-10 05:28 PM |
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of course not- and he just fired the person most contributing to discord apparently |
karynnj |
Jun-23-10 05:31 PM |
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Hope you are correct and we can see rapid progress toward the goals set by Obama, ""We have a clear |
jody |
Jun-23-10 05:44 PM |
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My dream? you are making some big assumptions there - and they are wrong |
karynnj |
Jun-23-10 07:00 PM |
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WHAT! You mean our Commander in Chief is not responsible! Has there been an amendment to our |
jody |
Jun-23-10 07:08 PM |
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When did Obama argue for that goal - it seemed he has cited much more limited goals |
karynnj |
Jun-23-10 07:15 PM |
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Please read the RS article that some accept as credible. When Obama appointed McChrystal he approved |
jody |
Jun-23-10 07:24 PM |
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I read the RS article |
karynnj |
Jun-23-10 07:39 PM |
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Thanks for the exchange. Have a pleasant evening and goodbye. n/t |
jody |
Jun-23-10 07:41 PM |
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You're splitting hairs |
zipplewrath |
Jun-23-10 08:10 AM |
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DING DING DING! Zipplewrath, you're our grand prize winner! |
rocktivity |
Jun-23-10 09:37 AM |
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all good points |
NatBurner |
Jun-23-10 09:47 AM |
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Good point. |
Vattel |
Jun-23-10 08:38 AM |
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McChrystal is in charge of a specific operation. |
saltpoint |
Jun-23-10 08:45 AM |
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Sorry I read it, and a general cannot be critical of the civilian government the way he was. |
WI_DEM |
Jun-23-10 09:00 AM |
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There's plenty of grounds in this article for giving McChrystal the axe. |
rocktivity |
Jun-23-10 09:02 AM |
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I've read it......General should go! |
trayfoot |
Jun-23-10 09:03 AM |
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read it |
NatBurner |
Jun-23-10 09:45 AM |
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I disagree with you |
Tailormyst |
Jun-23-10 09:54 AM |
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Michael Hastings' interview last night with Anderson Cooper reveals intent |
me b zola |
Jun-23-10 10:05 AM |
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That's an excellent point. This may be Gen. M's way of going public and getting the attention |
leveymg |
Jun-23-10 01:41 PM |
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The last time McChrystal pulled this kind of public stunt |
me b zola |
Jun-23-10 02:09 PM |
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That's just it - Obama is his superior and if he has a problem he should've taken it to Obama -NOT |
jillan |
Jun-23-10 05:31 PM |
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It's not about what McChrystal said. |
Diamonique |
Jun-23-10 06:15 PM |
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So, fire McChrystal but will that change Obama's policy and bring troops home as rapidly as safety |
jody |
Jun-23-10 06:32 PM |
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I don't know the answer to that question, and neither do you. |
Diamonique |
Jun-23-10 06:45 PM |
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But you said " It's not about what McChrystal said." I agree, the major issue is whether Obama |
jody |
Jun-23-10 06:57 PM |
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LOL! |
FrenchieCat |
Jun-23-10 06:51 PM |
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I didn't even have to go past the first page. What are you talking about? |
stevenleser |
Jun-23-10 07:08 PM |
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There is etiquette |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Jun-23-10 07:17 PM |
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It doesn't matter much how we interpret the situation... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-23-10 07:20 PM |
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Read the whole thing. Disrespectful on multiple levels. |
donco6 |
Jun-23-10 07:33 PM |
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I've read the entire article several times. The only thing I read that might be disrespectful is the |
jody |
Jun-23-10 07:40 PM |
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Insubordinate |
donco6 |
Jun-23-10 08:11 PM |
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How is it "Insubordinate" to jest about going to dinner with a "French minister" when McChrystal |
jody |
Jun-23-10 08:22 PM |
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Where on earth do I support more war? |
donco6 |
Jun-24-10 12:24 AM |
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OK you and I agree Obama should bring our troops home as rapidly as safety will permit. Obama fired |
jody |
Jun-24-10 08:25 AM |
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Sounds good to me. |
donco6 |
Jun-24-10 08:35 AM |
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So you're apologizing to McChrystal like Barton did to BP? n/t |
jenmito |
Jun-23-10 08:27 PM |
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ROFL, you know I didn't apologize. n/t |
jody |
Jun-23-10 08:39 PM |
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You're defending him. n/t |
jenmito |
Jun-23-10 08:41 PM |
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No, my OP gave the link to RS' article and suggested people read it. How people interpret the |
jody |
Jun-23-10 10:13 PM |
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Yeah, Right....... (n/t) |
Paladin |
Jun-24-10 06:30 AM |
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defending them like Barton did for BP |
JI7 |
Jun-23-10 10:07 PM |
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ROFL, have a good evening. n/t |
jody |
Jun-23-10 10:14 PM |
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I read it and I get what you're saying |
OhioBlue |
Jun-23-10 10:15 PM |
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For all the folks bitchin' about "insubordination"... |
PavePusher |
Jun-23-10 11:11 PM |
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So if this is OK |
yourguide |
Jun-24-10 08:29 AM |
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Did you watch Maddow's show last night?: |
jenmito |
Jun-24-10 12:23 PM |
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Jun-24-10 12:53 AM |
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You can't have a guy like him work with people he bad mouthed. |
Jennicut |
Jun-24-10 02:02 AM |
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He didn't want the adminstrative nature of the job |
Jeneral2885 |
Jun-24-10 04:50 AM |
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If nothing else, he showed poor judgement in allowing the reporter access |
CBGLuthier |
Jun-24-10 07:42 AM |
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The long and the short of it is that Obama can dismiss any |
hedgehog |
Jun-24-10 11:25 AM |
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Agree and voters can dismiss presidents every four years and all congresspersons every two years. |
jody |
Jun-24-10 12:43 PM |
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