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Thu May-27-10 11:14 AM
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| 86. We all want Obama to succeed |
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We want our economy to succeed. Hell I want Wall Street to succeed. What I don't want is a pump and dump economy. Creating bubbles and watching them pop. If we get real finance reform and not finance tweaking then that's something to believe in. But if we don't then the real chance for permanent recovery is questionable. We can't sustain a constant state of rescue with no backbone.
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| - 25 Questions To Ask Anyone Who Is Delusional Enough To Believe That This Economic Recovery Is Real |
ozymandius |
May-27-10 05:33 AM |
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Do you mean it's all just an illusion? |
Dr.Phool |
May-27-10 05:53 AM |
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Talk about measures that are of no use... |
ozymandius |
May-27-10 06:00 AM |
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It means that 76 percent have a personal definition of recession |
karynnj |
May-27-10 07:09 AM |
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"Recession has a technical economic meaning and that has been met." |
Heywood J |
May-27-10 08:08 PM |
#107 |
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US money supply plunges at 1930s pace as Obama eyes fresh stimulus |
ozymandius |
May-27-10 05:56 AM |
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You are absolutely right on...it is all an illusion |
golfguru |
May-27-10 05:37 PM |
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One problem with this... |
Atman |
May-27-10 05:58 AM |
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I'd Like To Know Where You Are Shopping |
Demeter |
May-27-10 06:00 AM |
#5 |
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"the smallest 12-month increase since January 1966" |
HughMoran |
May-27-10 07:49 AM |
#25 |
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The trouble is wages are deflating. So that has the same affect as inflation. |
newthinking |
May-27-10 08:42 AM |
#44 |
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Exactly! Excellent point... |
proudohioan |
May-27-10 09:03 AM |
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Excellent point if we were talking about wages |
HughMoran |
May-27-10 09:31 AM |
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And thank you for insinuating yourself into this post .... |
proudohioan |
May-27-10 09:44 AM |
#68 |
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Simply trying to stay on topic |
HughMoran |
May-27-10 09:48 AM |
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Food and Energy is EXCLUDED |
Hawkowl |
May-27-10 03:21 PM |
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that doesn't counter the "have you gone shopping lately" argument |
HughMoran |
May-27-10 09:25 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-27-10 09:35 AM |
#64 |
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Can't make an argument, attack the poster personally |
HughMoran |
May-27-10 09:36 AM |
#65 |
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And here I thought I was complimenting you on your creativity and honesty |
Demeter |
May-27-10 09:40 AM |
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"Less food and energy...." |
proudohioan |
May-27-10 09:02 AM |
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Ummm, those numbers aren't bad either |
HughMoran |
May-27-10 09:24 AM |
#55 |
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Yes, I did look... |
proudohioan |
May-27-10 09:31 AM |
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Oh, I'll grant you that |
HughMoran |
May-27-10 09:34 AM |
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Oh, I hope it gets better, too..... |
proudohioan |
May-27-10 09:48 AM |
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I understand |
HughMoran |
May-27-10 09:50 AM |
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I agree.... |
proudohioan |
May-27-10 10:02 AM |
#76 |
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Obviously you have not shopped for... |
golfguru |
May-27-10 05:43 PM |
#102 |
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If we take out two of the three biggest contributors to a family's budget, |
Heywood J |
May-27-10 08:10 PM |
#108 |
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That depends on where you live. |
ozymandius |
May-27-10 06:09 AM |
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Nor do I |
florida08 |
May-27-10 06:15 AM |
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Oil? Progress Energy is already charging us for 2 nukes they "might" build in 20 years. |
Dr.Phool |
May-27-10 07:52 AM |
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damn |
florida08 |
May-27-10 09:30 AM |
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Gaming the markets is a huge problem. What is happening to the "efficiency of the marketplace?" |
pundaint |
May-27-10 06:27 AM |
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Oil prices are pushing construction materials up |
Loge23 |
May-27-10 06:54 AM |
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Have you been in a grocery store lately? |
bread_and_roses |
May-27-10 06:12 AM |
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Ever heard of the Consumer Price Index? |
HughMoran |
May-27-10 07:47 AM |
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The Consumer Price Index is pure unadulterated, manipulated propaganda. |
Dr.Phool |
May-27-10 07:57 AM |
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Thank you Dr. Phool |
bread_and_roses |
May-27-10 08:47 AM |
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So you ROFL, then argue using the numbers |
HughMoran |
May-27-10 09:28 AM |
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Let's see..... |
Dr.Phool |
May-27-10 10:29 AM |
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CPI basket of goods. |
hay rick |
May-27-10 08:54 PM |
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Not where I'm buying groceries..... |
proudohioan |
May-27-10 08:58 AM |
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Why is so hard to understand that we just beginning the recovery?? |
DCBob |
May-27-10 06:19 AM |
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but are we coming out of it? |
florida08 |
May-27-10 06:31 AM |
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What's with the "we" thing? |
Po_d Mainiac |
May-27-10 06:53 AM |
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"We" as a nation.. |
DCBob |
May-27-10 07:30 AM |
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Why Is It So Hard to Grasp That There Is No Recovery? |
Demeter |
May-27-10 09:39 AM |
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A recovery does get powered by government investment.. |
DCBob |
May-27-10 10:10 AM |
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yeah, you are ass backward |
mkultra |
May-30-10 09:43 AM |
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k & r |
girl gone mad |
May-27-10 06:37 AM |
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There can not be any recovery until we get our manufacturing jobs back into this country. |
RC |
May-27-10 06:43 AM |
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Exactly! |
DemReadingDU |
May-27-10 07:32 AM |
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+1000 |
Dappleganger |
May-27-10 09:14 AM |
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We can define any accomplishment so that it means nothing. But it doesnt make your definition right |
stevenleser |
May-27-10 10:56 AM |
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Are you sure you are at the right site? |
RC |
May-27-10 04:07 PM |
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we are the #1 manufacturer in the world. |
mkultra |
May-30-10 09:43 AM |
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I find the last two questions to be the most troubling. |
fasttense |
May-27-10 07:00 AM |
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Even the vegetables and fruit in Aldi's are more expensive |
BuelahWitch |
May-27-10 10:52 AM |
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2 reasons for price increase |
Hawkowl |
May-27-10 03:33 PM |
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It is not an illusion that we are in the "recovery" portion of this cycle. It is also true that |
karynnj |
May-27-10 07:02 AM |
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Pete "Kill Social Security" Peterson? |
Dr.Phool |
May-27-10 08:01 AM |
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Well the link posted is hardly a sterling source either.Author is a Paul Rand supporter. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
May-27-10 08:23 AM |
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Is that all you get out of what I wrote? |
karynnj |
May-27-10 08:48 AM |
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Thanks for the information.. |
Cha |
May-27-10 09:27 AM |
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Umm. You DID mention Peterson. |
bvar22 |
May-27-10 05:29 PM |
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It was the study out of his think tank - I needed a way to refer to the study |
karynnj |
May-28-10 12:00 PM |
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And Choco Rations will be increased by 4 grams next week! |
bvar22 |
May-27-10 05:24 PM |
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Next three months are critical |
jeanpalmer |
May-30-10 06:51 AM |
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Simple answer to all of them. |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
May-27-10 07:40 AM |
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It's like asking why you're not at the top of the mountain after hiking for 2 hours |
HughMoran |
May-27-10 07:50 AM |
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This author is also a Tea Party activist and a global warming denier |
SemiCharmedQuark |
May-27-10 08:29 AM |
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Rising prices do not necessarily indicate inflation |
DemReadingDU |
May-27-10 07:40 AM |
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RIGHT!! Also, there's no mention of CORE prices being steady...gas prices can go up and that's count |
uponit7771 |
May-27-10 07:52 AM |
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Full scale deflation is yet to arrive. |
ozone_man |
May-27-10 08:32 AM |
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Agreed |
DemReadingDU |
May-27-10 09:02 AM |
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By no means would I naively believe that we're in a recovery. But I do believe that the |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-27-10 07:46 AM |
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Lost credibility with "And GDP is not a really good measure of the economic health of a nation" |
uponit7771 |
May-27-10 07:51 AM |
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GDP is NOT a good measure of economic health or quality of life. |
mbperrin |
May-27-10 08:07 AM |
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Well, first off, the word is 'drivel'. |
ozymandius |
May-27-10 05:43 PM |
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The FDIC is backing 8,000 banks that have a total of $13 trillion in assets |
DemReadingDU |
May-27-10 07:52 AM |
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Electronically there is, there's only 500 dollars paper cash per person in America |
uponit7771 |
May-27-10 07:53 AM |
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Well, I'm going to bank and getting my $500 today! |
DemReadingDU |
May-27-10 07:57 AM |
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Looking at it from a top perspective halfway up the ladder is stupid. Oh, and CPI data |
HughMoran |
May-27-10 07:54 AM |
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Kick & Rec! |
Dr.Phool |
May-27-10 08:03 AM |
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Reduced to relying on Rand Paul supporting Tea Partiers? Really? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
May-27-10 08:26 AM |
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+1 |
tallahasseedem |
May-27-10 08:29 AM |
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Reduced to ad hominem attacks? |
ozone_man |
May-27-10 08:42 AM |
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When people try and refute the "message", all they get are attacks on the messenger |
SemiCharmedQuark |
May-27-10 08:47 AM |
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Which of the 25 indicators are you contesting? |
ozone_man |
May-27-10 10:52 AM |
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Reduced? |
ozymandius |
May-27-10 05:45 PM |
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K&R!! This economy (as it stands) is simply not sustainable. |
proudohioan |
May-27-10 09:19 AM |
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Most states see job growth |
ProSense |
May-27-10 09:22 AM |
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Thanks for some reality..I know it's |
Cha |
May-27-10 09:30 AM |
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I have to disagree with you, Cha..... |
proudohioan |
May-27-10 10:38 AM |
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I do think it's killing some that anything positive |
Cha |
May-27-10 04:16 PM |
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Agree, I've seen it myself...... |
proudohioan |
May-27-10 05:40 PM |
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Well, then we agree. |
Cha |
May-28-10 12:08 AM |
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These are particularly poor questions |
GOTV |
May-27-10 09:51 AM |
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Feels very real to me; I had so little business last year |
treestar |
May-27-10 09:55 AM |
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We are in a recovery...heading back to where we were before this all started in 2007/2008. |
Jennicut |
May-27-10 09:57 AM |
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Classic tea-bagger innumeracy |
muriel_volestrangler |
May-27-10 10:02 AM |
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this thread is like freeper heaven |
asphalt.jungle |
May-27-10 10:07 AM |
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We get it. You dont want it to appear as if Obama is successful. |
stevenleser |
May-27-10 10:55 AM |
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Absurd. |
girl gone mad |
May-27-10 04:09 PM |
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Then I will respond for the benefit of others. |
ozymandius |
May-27-10 06:11 PM |
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So are you asshole. |
Dr.Phool |
May-27-10 10:39 PM |
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Damn those banksters and corporatists and their fake recovery |
NJmaverick |
May-27-10 11:01 AM |
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We all want Obama to succeed |
florida08 |
May-27-10 11:14 AM |
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"a pump and dump economy"?? Oh thank you for injecting some sense.. |
proudohioan |
May-27-10 11:39 AM |
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thank you for understanding |
florida08 |
May-27-10 12:30 PM |
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This OP starts off with a lie: |
Political Tiger |
May-27-10 11:15 AM |
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Got lots of people to lap |
Cha |
May-27-10 12:33 PM |
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OTR fuel transactions are up. That means more goods are |
johnaries |
May-27-10 03:34 PM |
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A question for the OP... |
hamerfan |
May-27-10 07:18 PM |
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Because it bothers me so. |
ozymandius |
May-27-10 07:28 PM |
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K&R & thanks! nt |
BlueIris |
May-27-10 09:35 PM |
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It IS real |
ibegurpard |
May-27-10 11:14 PM |
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It's really a recovery. The problem is that recoveries just don't mean what they used to mean |
eridani |
May-28-10 04:20 AM |
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The answer to #20 is YES. A vast majority of Americans are ridiculously stupid. |
ncteechur |
May-29-10 10:11 PM |
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people are stupid and thus dont understand that we are in recovery |
mkultra |
May-30-10 09:45 AM |
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what worries me most about this "recovery" |
paulk |
May-30-10 02:56 PM |
#121 |
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