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125. The left of the DLC? He ran to the slight left of the DLC. He was never a raging
progressive. I think Obama liked Specter too. That does not surprise me.
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  -White House bracing for Arlen Specter loss? babylonsister  May-17-10 11:58 AM   #0 
  - Suppose they'll notice  zipplewrath   May-17-10 12:00 PM   #1 
  - Huh? Last I looked, Specter is a Dem. And seeing as neither the  babylonsister   May-17-10 12:04 PM   #3 
  - They did  zipplewrath   May-17-10 12:13 PM   #5 
     - Stop picking nits; they have now, per the OP, stopped  babylonsister   May-17-10 12:16 PM   #7 
        - Primary support is no "nit"  zipplewrath   May-17-10 12:24 PM   #11 
           - Supporting Specter was in exchange for his 60th vote on the HCR bill and the stimulus.  AtomicKitten   May-17-10 02:14 PM   #43 
              - He needed the dems more than we needed him  zipplewrath   May-17-10 02:41 PM   #58 
                 - Again WH support for Specter was in exchange for the 60th vote, support well spent IMO.  AtomicKitten   May-17-10 03:38 PM   #83 
                    - Again, no it was not  zipplewrath   May-17-10 03:45 PM   #85 
                       - It absolutely was in exchange for his 60th vote for HCR and the stimulus.  AtomicKitten   May-17-10 03:46 PM   #86 
                          - How could he have voted against it  zipplewrath   May-17-10 03:48 PM   #87 
                             - It makes no sense to you because it has nothing to do with ideology.  AtomicKitten   May-17-10 03:56 PM   #89 
                                - And a broken clock s correct twice a day  zipplewrath   May-17-10 04:01 PM   #90 
                                   - Your reworking a deal already struck and executed seems a bit absurd after the fact.  AtomicKitten   May-17-10 04:16 PM   #94 
                                      - Which is why they are running away from it  zipplewrath   May-17-10 06:42 PM   #102 
                                         - Oh good grief. They fulfilled their commitment to him.  AtomicKitten   May-17-10 08:18 PM   #107 
                                            - You're right  zipplewrath   May-17-10 08:25 PM   #110 
                                               - Didn't read it, did you?  AtomicKitten   May-17-10 08:35 PM   #116 
                                                  - I'm familiar with the analysis  zipplewrath   May-17-10 08:40 PM   #117 
                                                  - What occurs to me is this.  AtomicKitten   May-17-10 09:23 PM   #119 
                                                  - So it's all based upon belief  zipplewrath   May-18-10 06:59 AM   #126 
                                                  - I'm sorry you don't understand political strategy.  AtomicKitten   May-18-10 10:32 AM   #131 
                                                  - Opinion  zipplewrath   May-18-10 11:57 AM   #132 
                                                  - Correction: Obama and Biden are not campaigning in the end-run.  AtomicKitten   May-18-10 12:21 PM   #133 
                                                  - Where do you get this "inside" information?  zipplewrath   May-18-10 01:03 PM   #141 
                                                  - This primary has provided an opportunity for you to oppose this president vicariously.  AtomicKitten   May-18-10 01:23 PM   #144 
                                                  - Your love is blinding you  zipplewrath   May-18-10 01:37 PM   #145 
                                                  - LOL!!! !!!ELEVENS!!!! Repeat after me: Quid Pro Quo. nt  AtomicKitten   May-18-10 01:41 PM   #146 
                                                  - Repeat after me  zipplewrath   May-18-10 01:44 PM   #147 
  - Opposing their own party? Specter's a Dem, and the polls are evenly split .  Phx_Dem   May-17-10 01:36 PM   #35 
  - Actually no  zipplewrath   May-17-10 03:17 PM   #78 
  - Party kicks in more in some elections than in others. In this one IMO,  saltpoint   May-18-10 07:26 AM   #129 
     - I just hope that the candidate who can best defeat Toomey wins today.  AtomicKitten   May-18-10 12:36 PM   #137 
        - Hi, AtomicKitten. Calling Toomey batshit crazy is certainly a  saltpoint   May-18-10 07:39 PM   #168 
  - No they won't consider it a mistake  Hippo_Tron   May-17-10 02:21 PM   #47 
     - I'm guessing they also promised Specter to support his campaign when he jumped the shark...  ClassWarrior   May-17-10 03:06 PM   #67 
        - He was promised support from the nationa and PA state Democratic parties  old mark   May-17-10 04:42 PM   #98 
  - This is why I don't think its smart to emphasize Obama's support for Lincoln and Spector.  Radical Activist   May-17-10 12:03 PM   #2 
  - Agree to some extent  zipplewrath   May-17-10 12:18 PM   #9 
  - It would be much easier  Radical Activist   May-17-10 12:50 PM   #17 
     - Wow nice strawman  zipplewrath   May-17-10 12:53 PM   #18 
     - You brought up a topic  Radical Activist   May-17-10 12:55 PM   #19 
        - Um, I was addressing the history of their support for Specter  zipplewrath   May-17-10 12:57 PM   #21 
           - I'll remind you of what you wrote.  Radical Activist   May-17-10 01:07 PM   #24 
              - you didn't recognize that at all did you?  zipplewrath   May-17-10 01:11 PM   #28 
                 - It was a pretty obvious and boring point.  Radical Activist   May-17-10 01:18 PM   #30 
                    - Then your missing some  zipplewrath   May-17-10 01:29 PM   #33 
                       - Indeed. He constantly contrasts his own positions with what the "left" wants.  freddie mertz   May-17-10 02:15 PM   #45 
     - You nailed it.  guruoo   May-17-10 01:10 PM   #27 
     - I just post that he's woefully wrong on an issue  AllentownJake   May-17-10 04:04 PM   #91 
     - Nicely done. When are we going to learn to stop doing the wingnuts'  Liberal_Stalwart71   May-17-10 07:15 PM   #106 
     - Such as?  zipplewrath   May-17-10 08:27 PM   #112 
        - I don't have time to go down the list, for it's too long. Do a search. n/t  Liberal_Stalwart71   May-17-10 08:33 PM   #115 
           - Pick 3  zipplewrath   May-17-10 08:41 PM   #118 
              - O.K., I'll bite...  Liberal_Stalwart71   May-18-10 04:07 PM   #165 
     - Keep that list handy. You'll be posting it again and again and again...  Number23   May-17-10 08:28 PM   #114 
     - That's why I made it a journal entry.  Radical Activist   May-17-10 09:27 PM   #120 
     - K&R this response. You nailed it. nt  AtomicKitten   May-18-10 12:31 PM   #135 
  - Nah I want the President to eat the dinner he cooked within the party nt.  AllentownJake   May-17-10 01:19 PM   #31 
  - So the next time Obama calls for something progressive,  Radical Activist   May-17-10 01:37 PM   #36 
     - Yes, we really want a crusading progressive like we saw with the public option!  freddie mertz   May-17-10 02:10 PM   #40 
     - He introduced it and got it passed through the House.  Radical Activist   May-17-10 02:15 PM   #44 
        - He spoke about it, then undermined, then denied it.  freddie mertz   May-17-10 02:17 PM   #46 
           - Yes, he undermined it in your mind  Radical Activist   May-17-10 02:24 PM   #49 
              - He undermined with the "sliver" speech. in public.  freddie mertz   May-17-10 02:26 PM   #50 
                 - I wonder if he knew something that you didn't  Radical Activist   May-17-10 02:29 PM   #51 
                    - Whatever. Maybe you should just find a better example of presidential "support"...  freddie mertz   May-17-10 02:32 PM   #55 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   May-17-10 02:38 PM   #57 
                          - WTF kind of thing is that to say?  freddie mertz   May-17-10 02:46 PM   #59 
                          - Nice avatar.  Radical Activist   May-17-10 02:55 PM   #62 
                          - because they have generally been right nt.  AllentownJake   May-17-10 03:07 PM   #68 
     - Public Option crusade  AllentownJake   May-17-10 03:05 PM   #65 
     - Obviously.  freddie mertz   May-17-10 03:10 PM   #71 
     - I don't want the next George W. Bush to be in charge of my health care.  Radical Activist   May-17-10 03:15 PM   #76 
        - I'm fine with PA declaring itself a soverign nation  AllentownJake   May-17-10 03:24 PM   #81 
        - Single payer is cheaper  zipplewrath   May-17-10 03:26 PM   #82 
     - Long time?  zipplewrath   May-17-10 03:21 PM   #80 
     - hahahahaha  rapturedbyrobots   May-17-10 04:15 PM   #93 
        - Obama is not totally stupid  AllentownJake   May-17-10 04:46 PM   #99 
  - Since when is it up to US HERE to "emphasize" his support or not?  freddie mertz   May-17-10 02:13 PM   #42 
  - Pres. Obama did what he had to do in order to get his legislations passed.....  FrenchieCat   May-17-10 12:08 PM   #4 
  - So in essence, he is supporting a Republican  Bluenorthwest   May-17-10 12:16 PM   #8 
     - As well they should  zipplewrath   May-17-10 12:24 PM   #12 
     - He supported a Republican willing to become a Democrat and vote that way for  FrenchieCat   May-17-10 12:26 PM   #13 
     - He changed more than shirts, he became a reliable Dem vote  Hippo_Tron   May-17-10 02:23 PM   #48 
        - I think you're right. Funny how things work out that way. nt  AtomicKitten   May-18-10 12:42 PM   #139 
  - I don't begrudge DSCC supporting incumbent candidates...  brooklynite   May-17-10 12:14 PM   #6 
  - Yup  zipplewrath   May-17-10 12:19 PM   #10 
     - No problem as far as I'm concerned  fugop   May-17-10 12:47 PM   #15 
        - Nice false dichotomy  zipplewrath   May-17-10 12:55 PM   #20 
           - I'd be shocked if he backs Toomey  fugop   May-17-10 01:07 PM   #23 
           - They are related  zipplewrath   May-17-10 01:09 PM   #26 
              - +1 nt  laughingliberal   May-17-10 03:08 PM   #69 
           - If he loses the primary, he will switch back; they would be glad to have that extra filibuster vote.  AlinPA   May-17-10 04:52 PM   #101 
           - +1  tsuki   May-17-10 11:49 PM   #121 
  - U.S. Rep. Joe Sestak 2010..nt  and-justice-for-all   May-17-10 12:38 PM   #14 
  - Spector has been one of the top two supporters of medical research  stray cat   May-17-10 12:47 PM   #16 
  - According to some polls, Specter supposedly does better...  kjackson227   May-17-10 01:00 PM   #22 
  - That should be expected.  Radical Activist   May-17-10 01:09 PM   #25 
  - I havent seen any like that of late.  MadBadger   May-17-10 04:25 PM   #96 
     - It seems this primary has motivated Democrats in Penn.  AtomicKitten   May-18-10 12:40 PM   #138 
  - It's all good.  AtomicKitten   May-17-10 01:13 PM   #29 
  - The Specter ads here feature Obama at a rally declaring "I love Arlen Specter!"  freddie mertz   May-17-10 01:21 PM   #32 
  - OFA was really over the top  zipplewrath   May-17-10 01:31 PM   #34 
  - Yeah, I was in PA a couple of weeks ago and saw that commercial.  Beacool   May-17-10 01:41 PM   #37 
  - If it is any consolation, the president does not look comfortable...  freddie mertz   May-17-10 02:05 PM   #39 
  - It's the price he paid for Specter's vote on health care reform  Hippo_Tron   May-17-10 02:30 PM   #54 
     - It's an embarrassing clip.  freddie mertz   May-17-10 02:56 PM   #63 
     - Exactly. Obama said he promised Teddy and he delivered. nt  AtomicKitten   May-18-10 12:32 PM   #136 
  - A lot of us (seniors) just can't see voting for Specter after 25 years of voting against him. nt  AlinPA   May-17-10 01:48 PM   #38 
  - Yeah, there is that, too.....nt.  freddie mertz   May-17-10 02:11 PM   #41 
  - I bet the White House is actually very thankful for Joe Sestak  Hippo_Tron   May-17-10 02:29 PM   #52 
  - Wishful thinking  zipplewrath   May-17-10 02:38 PM   #56 
     - It's the price they paid to get Specter's votes (partcularly on health care)  Hippo_Tron   May-17-10 02:49 PM   #60 
        - Specter need them  zipplewrath   May-17-10 02:54 PM   #61 
           - Specter could've easily run as an independent and opposed health care reform  Hippo_Tron   May-17-10 03:06 PM   #66 
           - Easily run, and lost  zipplewrath   May-17-10 03:09 PM   #70 
           - Tell that to Joe Lieberman and Charlie Crist  Hippo_Tron   May-17-10 03:14 PM   #75 
              - Lieberman was different  zipplewrath   May-17-10 03:19 PM   #79 
                 - Crist is leading in the polls  Hippo_Tron   May-18-10 12:26 AM   #124 
                    - No, he's not  zipplewrath   May-18-10 07:15 AM   #127 
                       - We will have to agree to disagree on that one  Hippo_Tron   May-18-10 01:51 PM   #148 
                          - It's a matter of history  zipplewrath   May-18-10 02:09 PM   #149 
                             - Again, I don't see why you think Specter would've agreed to those terms  Hippo_Tron   May-18-10 02:21 PM   #150 
                                - No other choice  zipplewrath   May-18-10 02:35 PM   #154 
                                   - Again I think his best chance to win on "name recognition" was in a three way as an independent  Hippo_Tron   May-18-10 02:55 PM   #155 
                                      - He had no chance  zipplewrath   May-18-10 03:01 PM   #156 
                                         - Running as a Dem was NOT a choice unless the White House backed him in the primary  Hippo_Tron   May-18-10 03:33 PM   #157 
                                            - Tell that to Sestak  zipplewrath   May-18-10 03:44 PM   #159 
                                               - The national party did everything in their power to win the Dem primary for him  Hippo_Tron   May-18-10 03:47 PM   #161 
                                               - He didn't think so  zipplewrath   May-18-10 03:51 PM   #162 
                                               - How do you know what he thought?  Hippo_Tron   May-18-10 03:58 PM   #163 
                                               - He said as much  zipplewrath   May-18-10 04:05 PM   #164 
                                               - Which he said after the party had already backed him 100%  Hippo_Tron   May-18-10 04:13 PM   #166 
                                               - Not that I'm aware of  zipplewrath   May-18-10 06:32 PM   #167 
           - He didn't think so  zipplewrath   May-17-10 03:51 PM   #88 
              - He wouldn't have stood a chance in the Dem primary without the machine backing  Hippo_Tron   May-18-10 12:22 AM   #123 
                 - What he really needed, he didn't get  zipplewrath   May-18-10 07:21 AM   #128 
           - Actually, they needed his votes. We needed as many as we could get.  Jennicut   May-17-10 03:10 PM   #72 
              - False dichotomy  zipplewrath   May-17-10 03:15 PM   #77 
                 - Biden and Specter are friends, they commuted together on Amtrak.  Jennicut   May-17-10 04:29 PM   #97 
                    - Well, he didn't run as a centrist  zipplewrath   May-17-10 06:46 PM   #103 
                       - The left of the DLC? He ran to the slight left of the DLC. He was never a raging  Jennicut   May-18-10 06:58 AM   #125 
                       - Obama ran as the anti-dumb-war candidate.  AtomicKitten   May-18-10 12:26 PM   #134 
  - Gibbs tomorrow: Arlen who?  Enrique   May-17-10 02:29 PM   #53 
  - Kinda like the public option....  freddie mertz   May-17-10 03:00 PM   #64 
  - Will be hard for the WH to spin a Specter & Lincoln loss or near miss...  laughingliberal   May-17-10 03:11 PM   #73 
  - The WH support has nothing to do with ideology.  AtomicKitten   May-17-10 03:43 PM   #84 
     - Perhaps. But I think a lot of the WH policy is right in sync with the Blue Dogs.  laughingliberal   May-17-10 04:48 PM   #100 
     - Unsupportable assertion  zipplewrath   May-17-10 06:48 PM   #104 
        - Wrong again.  AtomicKitten   May-17-10 08:21 PM   #108 
  - If Sestak wins the GE, only the bitter will remember this  Uzybone   May-17-10 03:13 PM   #74 
  - another Senate seat down the drain...  Aramchek   May-17-10 04:13 PM   #92 
  - Current polling suggests that Sestak is within the margin of error with  saltpoint   May-17-10 08:28 PM   #113 
     - Sestak has done a good job turning around the polls.  AtomicKitten   May-18-10 12:53 PM   #140 
  - God i hope they're bracing for a Specter Loss  MadBadger   May-17-10 04:24 PM   #95 
  - Once again the administration stands with the least progressive choice.  NorthCarolina   May-17-10 06:52 PM   #105 
  - This is kind of tantalizing.  saltpoint   May-17-10 08:22 PM   #109 
  - Intrade is not scientific, but actual folks are betting real money on  saltpoint   May-17-10 08:27 PM   #111 
  - It's after midnight in Philadelphia and by god now that the younguns are  saltpoint   May-17-10 11:54 PM   #122 
  - Aren't there some people in Pennsylvania who simply think it's beyond time for Specter to retire?  Phoebe Loosinhouse   May-18-10 07:38 AM   #130 
  - Yes  zipplewrath   May-18-10 01:04 PM   #142 
  - They're backing away fast  spinbaby   May-18-10 01:11 PM   #143 
  - I just voted for Sestak  mvd   May-18-10 02:22 PM   #151 
  - I voted for Sestak today.  joanski0   May-18-10 02:24 PM   #152 
     - I voted for Sestak today,too!  Bravo Zulu   May-18-10 03:44 PM   #160 
        - As did I.  MrSlayer   May-18-10 07:42 PM   #169 
  - Arlen Specter helped cover up the murder of the President of the United States  Sebastian Doyle   May-18-10 02:27 PM   #153 
  - Specter is 80. If he is elected and dies in office, Corbett would appoint a Republican. Vote Sestak  EndElectoral   May-18-10 03:36 PM   #158 
 

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