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Mon May-17-10 01:19 PM
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| 31. Nah I want the President to eat the dinner he cooked within the party nt. |
| -White House bracing for Arlen Specter loss? |
babylonsister |
May-17-10 11:58 AM |
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Suppose they'll notice |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 12:00 PM |
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Huh? Last I looked, Specter is a Dem. And seeing as neither the |
babylonsister |
May-17-10 12:04 PM |
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They did |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 12:13 PM |
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Stop picking nits; they have now, per the OP, stopped |
babylonsister |
May-17-10 12:16 PM |
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Primary support is no "nit" |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 12:24 PM |
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Supporting Specter was in exchange for his 60th vote on the HCR bill and the stimulus. |
AtomicKitten |
May-17-10 02:14 PM |
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He needed the dems more than we needed him |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 02:41 PM |
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Again WH support for Specter was in exchange for the 60th vote, support well spent IMO. |
AtomicKitten |
May-17-10 03:38 PM |
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Again, no it was not |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 03:45 PM |
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It absolutely was in exchange for his 60th vote for HCR and the stimulus. |
AtomicKitten |
May-17-10 03:46 PM |
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How could he have voted against it |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 03:48 PM |
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It makes no sense to you because it has nothing to do with ideology. |
AtomicKitten |
May-17-10 03:56 PM |
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And a broken clock s correct twice a day |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 04:01 PM |
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Your reworking a deal already struck and executed seems a bit absurd after the fact. |
AtomicKitten |
May-17-10 04:16 PM |
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Which is why they are running away from it |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 06:42 PM |
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Oh good grief. They fulfilled their commitment to him. |
AtomicKitten |
May-17-10 08:18 PM |
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You're right |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 08:25 PM |
#110 |
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Didn't read it, did you? |
AtomicKitten |
May-17-10 08:35 PM |
#116 |
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I'm familiar with the analysis |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 08:40 PM |
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What occurs to me is this. |
AtomicKitten |
May-17-10 09:23 PM |
#119 |
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So it's all based upon belief |
zipplewrath |
May-18-10 06:59 AM |
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I'm sorry you don't understand political strategy. |
AtomicKitten |
May-18-10 10:32 AM |
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Opinion |
zipplewrath |
May-18-10 11:57 AM |
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Correction: Obama and Biden are not campaigning in the end-run. |
AtomicKitten |
May-18-10 12:21 PM |
#133 |
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Where do you get this "inside" information? |
zipplewrath |
May-18-10 01:03 PM |
#141 |
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This primary has provided an opportunity for you to oppose this president vicariously. |
AtomicKitten |
May-18-10 01:23 PM |
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Your love is blinding you |
zipplewrath |
May-18-10 01:37 PM |
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LOL!!! !!!ELEVENS!!!! Repeat after me: Quid Pro Quo. nt |
AtomicKitten |
May-18-10 01:41 PM |
#146 |
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Repeat after me |
zipplewrath |
May-18-10 01:44 PM |
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Opposing their own party? Specter's a Dem, and the polls are evenly split . |
Phx_Dem |
May-17-10 01:36 PM |
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Actually no |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 03:17 PM |
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Party kicks in more in some elections than in others. In this one IMO, |
saltpoint |
May-18-10 07:26 AM |
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I just hope that the candidate who can best defeat Toomey wins today. |
AtomicKitten |
May-18-10 12:36 PM |
#137 |
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Hi, AtomicKitten. Calling Toomey batshit crazy is certainly a |
saltpoint |
May-18-10 07:39 PM |
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No they won't consider it a mistake |
Hippo_Tron |
May-17-10 02:21 PM |
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I'm guessing they also promised Specter to support his campaign when he jumped the shark... |
ClassWarrior |
May-17-10 03:06 PM |
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He was promised support from the nationa and PA state Democratic parties |
old mark |
May-17-10 04:42 PM |
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This is why I don't think its smart to emphasize Obama's support for Lincoln and Spector. |
Radical Activist |
May-17-10 12:03 PM |
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Agree to some extent |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 12:18 PM |
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It would be much easier |
Radical Activist |
May-17-10 12:50 PM |
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Wow nice strawman |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 12:53 PM |
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You brought up a topic |
Radical Activist |
May-17-10 12:55 PM |
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Um, I was addressing the history of their support for Specter |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 12:57 PM |
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I'll remind you of what you wrote. |
Radical Activist |
May-17-10 01:07 PM |
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you didn't recognize that at all did you? |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 01:11 PM |
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It was a pretty obvious and boring point. |
Radical Activist |
May-17-10 01:18 PM |
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Then your missing some |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 01:29 PM |
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Indeed. He constantly contrasts his own positions with what the "left" wants. |
freddie mertz |
May-17-10 02:15 PM |
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You nailed it. |
guruoo |
May-17-10 01:10 PM |
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I just post that he's woefully wrong on an issue |
AllentownJake |
May-17-10 04:04 PM |
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Nicely done. When are we going to learn to stop doing the wingnuts' |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-17-10 07:15 PM |
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Such as? |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 08:27 PM |
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I don't have time to go down the list, for it's too long. Do a search. n/t |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-17-10 08:33 PM |
#115 |
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Pick 3 |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 08:41 PM |
#118 |
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O.K., I'll bite... |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-18-10 04:07 PM |
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Keep that list handy. You'll be posting it again and again and again... |
Number23 |
May-17-10 08:28 PM |
#114 |
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That's why I made it a journal entry. |
Radical Activist |
May-17-10 09:27 PM |
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K&R this response. You nailed it. nt |
AtomicKitten |
May-18-10 12:31 PM |
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Nah I want the President to eat the dinner he cooked within the party nt. |
AllentownJake |
May-17-10 01:19 PM |
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So the next time Obama calls for something progressive, |
Radical Activist |
May-17-10 01:37 PM |
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Yes, we really want a crusading progressive like we saw with the public option! |
freddie mertz |
May-17-10 02:10 PM |
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He introduced it and got it passed through the House. |
Radical Activist |
May-17-10 02:15 PM |
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He spoke about it, then undermined, then denied it. |
freddie mertz |
May-17-10 02:17 PM |
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Yes, he undermined it in your mind |
Radical Activist |
May-17-10 02:24 PM |
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He undermined with the "sliver" speech. in public. |
freddie mertz |
May-17-10 02:26 PM |
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I wonder if he knew something that you didn't |
Radical Activist |
May-17-10 02:29 PM |
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Whatever. Maybe you should just find a better example of presidential "support"... |
freddie mertz |
May-17-10 02:32 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-17-10 02:38 PM |
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WTF kind of thing is that to say? |
freddie mertz |
May-17-10 02:46 PM |
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Nice avatar. |
Radical Activist |
May-17-10 02:55 PM |
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because they have generally been right nt. |
AllentownJake |
May-17-10 03:07 PM |
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Public Option crusade |
AllentownJake |
May-17-10 03:05 PM |
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Obviously. |
freddie mertz |
May-17-10 03:10 PM |
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I don't want the next George W. Bush to be in charge of my health care. |
Radical Activist |
May-17-10 03:15 PM |
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I'm fine with PA declaring itself a soverign nation |
AllentownJake |
May-17-10 03:24 PM |
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Single payer is cheaper |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 03:26 PM |
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Long time? |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 03:21 PM |
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hahahahaha |
rapturedbyrobots |
May-17-10 04:15 PM |
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Obama is not totally stupid |
AllentownJake |
May-17-10 04:46 PM |
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Since when is it up to US HERE to "emphasize" his support or not? |
freddie mertz |
May-17-10 02:13 PM |
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Pres. Obama did what he had to do in order to get his legislations passed..... |
FrenchieCat |
May-17-10 12:08 PM |
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So in essence, he is supporting a Republican |
Bluenorthwest |
May-17-10 12:16 PM |
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As well they should |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 12:24 PM |
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He supported a Republican willing to become a Democrat and vote that way for |
FrenchieCat |
May-17-10 12:26 PM |
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He changed more than shirts, he became a reliable Dem vote |
Hippo_Tron |
May-17-10 02:23 PM |
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I think you're right. Funny how things work out that way. nt |
AtomicKitten |
May-18-10 12:42 PM |
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I don't begrudge DSCC supporting incumbent candidates... |
brooklynite |
May-17-10 12:14 PM |
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Yup |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 12:19 PM |
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No problem as far as I'm concerned |
fugop |
May-17-10 12:47 PM |
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Nice false dichotomy |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 12:55 PM |
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I'd be shocked if he backs Toomey |
fugop |
May-17-10 01:07 PM |
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They are related |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 01:09 PM |
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+1 nt |
laughingliberal |
May-17-10 03:08 PM |
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If he loses the primary, he will switch back; they would be glad to have that extra filibuster vote. |
AlinPA |
May-17-10 04:52 PM |
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+1 |
tsuki |
May-17-10 11:49 PM |
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U.S. Rep. Joe Sestak 2010..nt |
and-justice-for-all |
May-17-10 12:38 PM |
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Spector has been one of the top two supporters of medical research |
stray cat |
May-17-10 12:47 PM |
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According to some polls, Specter supposedly does better... |
kjackson227 |
May-17-10 01:00 PM |
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That should be expected. |
Radical Activist |
May-17-10 01:09 PM |
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I havent seen any like that of late. |
MadBadger |
May-17-10 04:25 PM |
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It seems this primary has motivated Democrats in Penn. |
AtomicKitten |
May-18-10 12:40 PM |
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It's all good. |
AtomicKitten |
May-17-10 01:13 PM |
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The Specter ads here feature Obama at a rally declaring "I love Arlen Specter!" |
freddie mertz |
May-17-10 01:21 PM |
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OFA was really over the top |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 01:31 PM |
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Yeah, I was in PA a couple of weeks ago and saw that commercial. |
Beacool |
May-17-10 01:41 PM |
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If it is any consolation, the president does not look comfortable... |
freddie mertz |
May-17-10 02:05 PM |
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It's the price he paid for Specter's vote on health care reform |
Hippo_Tron |
May-17-10 02:30 PM |
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It's an embarrassing clip. |
freddie mertz |
May-17-10 02:56 PM |
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Exactly. Obama said he promised Teddy and he delivered. nt |
AtomicKitten |
May-18-10 12:32 PM |
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A lot of us (seniors) just can't see voting for Specter after 25 years of voting against him. nt |
AlinPA |
May-17-10 01:48 PM |
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Yeah, there is that, too.....nt. |
freddie mertz |
May-17-10 02:11 PM |
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I bet the White House is actually very thankful for Joe Sestak |
Hippo_Tron |
May-17-10 02:29 PM |
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Wishful thinking |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 02:38 PM |
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It's the price they paid to get Specter's votes (partcularly on health care) |
Hippo_Tron |
May-17-10 02:49 PM |
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Specter need them |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 02:54 PM |
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Specter could've easily run as an independent and opposed health care reform |
Hippo_Tron |
May-17-10 03:06 PM |
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Easily run, and lost |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 03:09 PM |
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Tell that to Joe Lieberman and Charlie Crist |
Hippo_Tron |
May-17-10 03:14 PM |
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Lieberman was different |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 03:19 PM |
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Crist is leading in the polls |
Hippo_Tron |
May-18-10 12:26 AM |
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No, he's not |
zipplewrath |
May-18-10 07:15 AM |
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We will have to agree to disagree on that one |
Hippo_Tron |
May-18-10 01:51 PM |
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It's a matter of history |
zipplewrath |
May-18-10 02:09 PM |
#149 |
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Again, I don't see why you think Specter would've agreed to those terms |
Hippo_Tron |
May-18-10 02:21 PM |
#150 |
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No other choice |
zipplewrath |
May-18-10 02:35 PM |
#154 |
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Again I think his best chance to win on "name recognition" was in a three way as an independent |
Hippo_Tron |
May-18-10 02:55 PM |
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He had no chance |
zipplewrath |
May-18-10 03:01 PM |
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Running as a Dem was NOT a choice unless the White House backed him in the primary |
Hippo_Tron |
May-18-10 03:33 PM |
#157 |
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Tell that to Sestak |
zipplewrath |
May-18-10 03:44 PM |
#159 |
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The national party did everything in their power to win the Dem primary for him |
Hippo_Tron |
May-18-10 03:47 PM |
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He didn't think so |
zipplewrath |
May-18-10 03:51 PM |
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How do you know what he thought? |
Hippo_Tron |
May-18-10 03:58 PM |
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He said as much |
zipplewrath |
May-18-10 04:05 PM |
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Which he said after the party had already backed him 100% |
Hippo_Tron |
May-18-10 04:13 PM |
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Not that I'm aware of |
zipplewrath |
May-18-10 06:32 PM |
#167 |
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He didn't think so |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 03:51 PM |
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He wouldn't have stood a chance in the Dem primary without the machine backing |
Hippo_Tron |
May-18-10 12:22 AM |
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What he really needed, he didn't get |
zipplewrath |
May-18-10 07:21 AM |
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Actually, they needed his votes. We needed as many as we could get. |
Jennicut |
May-17-10 03:10 PM |
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False dichotomy |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 03:15 PM |
#77 |
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Biden and Specter are friends, they commuted together on Amtrak. |
Jennicut |
May-17-10 04:29 PM |
#97 |
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Well, he didn't run as a centrist |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 06:46 PM |
#103 |
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The left of the DLC? He ran to the slight left of the DLC. He was never a raging |
Jennicut |
May-18-10 06:58 AM |
#125 |
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Obama ran as the anti-dumb-war candidate. |
AtomicKitten |
May-18-10 12:26 PM |
#134 |
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Gibbs tomorrow: Arlen who? |
Enrique |
May-17-10 02:29 PM |
#53 |
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Kinda like the public option.... |
freddie mertz |
May-17-10 03:00 PM |
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Will be hard for the WH to spin a Specter & Lincoln loss or near miss... |
laughingliberal |
May-17-10 03:11 PM |
#73 |
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The WH support has nothing to do with ideology. |
AtomicKitten |
May-17-10 03:43 PM |
#84 |
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Perhaps. But I think a lot of the WH policy is right in sync with the Blue Dogs. |
laughingliberal |
May-17-10 04:48 PM |
#100 |
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Unsupportable assertion |
zipplewrath |
May-17-10 06:48 PM |
#104 |
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Wrong again. |
AtomicKitten |
May-17-10 08:21 PM |
#108 |
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If Sestak wins the GE, only the bitter will remember this |
Uzybone |
May-17-10 03:13 PM |
#74 |
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another Senate seat down the drain... |
Aramchek |
May-17-10 04:13 PM |
#92 |
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Current polling suggests that Sestak is within the margin of error with |
saltpoint |
May-17-10 08:28 PM |
#113 |
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Sestak has done a good job turning around the polls. |
AtomicKitten |
May-18-10 12:53 PM |
#140 |
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God i hope they're bracing for a Specter Loss |
MadBadger |
May-17-10 04:24 PM |
#95 |
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Once again the administration stands with the least progressive choice. |
NorthCarolina |
May-17-10 06:52 PM |
#105 |
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This is kind of tantalizing. |
saltpoint |
May-17-10 08:22 PM |
#109 |
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Intrade is not scientific, but actual folks are betting real money on |
saltpoint |
May-17-10 08:27 PM |
#111 |
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It's after midnight in Philadelphia and by god now that the younguns are |
saltpoint |
May-17-10 11:54 PM |
#122 |
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Aren't there some people in Pennsylvania who simply think it's beyond time for Specter to retire? |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
May-18-10 07:38 AM |
#130 |
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Yes |
zipplewrath |
May-18-10 01:04 PM |
#142 |
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They're backing away fast |
spinbaby |
May-18-10 01:11 PM |
#143 |
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I just voted for Sestak |
mvd |
May-18-10 02:22 PM |
#151 |
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I voted for Sestak today. |
joanski0 |
May-18-10 02:24 PM |
#152 |
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I voted for Sestak today,too! |
Bravo Zulu |
May-18-10 03:44 PM |
#160 |
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As did I. |
MrSlayer |
May-18-10 07:42 PM |
#169 |
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Arlen Specter helped cover up the murder of the President of the United States |
Sebastian Doyle |
May-18-10 02:27 PM |
#153 |
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Specter is 80. If he is elected and dies in office, Corbett would appoint a Republican. Vote Sestak |
EndElectoral |
May-18-10 03:36 PM |
#158 |
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