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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 11:54 PM
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14. Rwanda too!
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  -Isn't "Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Bill Clinton's fault? dumpdabaggers  May-09-10 10:58 PM   #0 
  - Look,  FrenchieCat   May-09-10 11:02 PM   #1 
  - YES, and so is DOMA  bluestateguy   May-09-10 11:02 PM   #2 
  - I liked and voted for Clinton twice but I did NOT like DADT or DOMA.  CTyankee   May-10-10 03:14 PM   #54 
  - Along with NAFTA, media de-regulation and his cruel welfare "reforms".  Webster Green   May-09-10 11:04 PM   #3 
  - yep  Whisp   May-10-10 01:56 AM   #26 
  - In retrospect, it was a very bad decision  HughMoran   May-09-10 11:06 PM   #4 
  - Sure - Colin Powell would have said "You betcha".  DURHAM D   May-09-10 11:06 PM   #5 
  - Powell would have had no choice had Clinton signed an executive order.  dumpdabaggers   May-09-10 11:44 PM   #11 
  - At the time it was an improvement on the status quo -- kicking gay people out.  pnwmom   May-09-10 11:10 PM   #6 
  - They just got kicked out if they were lucky.  DURHAM D   May-09-10 11:18 PM   #8 
     - I think people forget how different things were 20 years ago. n/t  pnwmom   May-10-10 12:50 AM   #19 
  - GlassSteagall Act, as long a we're listing his accomplishments. nt  gateley   May-09-10 11:14 PM   #7 
  - Sometimes i wonder of Obama wants to lose the Congress.  dumpdabaggers   May-09-10 11:40 PM   #9 
     - You ignore that Obama with the Congress he has actually had many successes  karynnj   May-10-10 08:08 AM   #30 
  - Did you follow the story closely at the time?  QC   May-09-10 11:43 PM   #10 
  - He has admitted as much. He has said DADT was one of his biggest regrets, but he had hardly any  Hissyspit   May-09-10 11:46 PM   #12 
  - Then, as now, the Left was not uniformly pro-gay.  QC   May-09-10 11:52 PM   #13 
  - Rwanda too!  FrenchieCat   May-09-10 11:54 PM   #14 
  - columbine  Whisp   May-10-10 02:00 AM   #27 
  - They fear the political consequences.  dumpdabaggers   May-09-10 11:58 PM   #16 
  - Let me be clear, I was for allowing gays to serve in 1993  Hissyspit   May-10-10 12:29 AM   #17 
  - Yes, and when he compromised right out of the gate like that,  QC   May-10-10 12:34 AM   #18 
  - The left was a lot less pro-gay 20 years ago than now. It's not really fair to judge Clinton  pnwmom   May-10-10 12:52 AM   #20 
     - Yes, that's pretty much what I said.  QC   May-10-10 12:56 AM   #21 
        - We do -- but I actually meant to reply to the same post you did.  pnwmom   May-10-10 01:27 AM   #23 
  - Was it at Netroots Nation 2009 that you heard this?  TheWraith   May-10-10 01:31 AM   #25 
     - Yes.  Hissyspit   May-10-10 03:05 AM   #28 
  - I do remember. It was terrible.  dumpdabaggers   May-09-10 11:55 PM   #15 
  - The GOP/conservadems had veto proof majorities to codify the ban on gays in the military into law  Hippo_Tron   May-10-10 01:18 AM   #22 
  - Not exactly.  TheWraith   May-10-10 01:29 AM   #24 
  - No, that was Sam Nunn's fault.  jobycom   May-10-10 03:27 AM   #29 
  - Why bother?  Beacool   May-10-10 11:23 AM   #32 
  - Because there are DUers who haven't heard the true story yet.  jobycom   May-10-10 11:47 AM   #33 
  - It was more of a rhetorical question?  Beacool   May-10-10 01:14 PM   #39 
     - I know, but one of my rhetorical tactics is to answer rhetorical questions.  jobycom   May-10-10 01:35 PM   #47 
  - I remember all of this, especially with Nunn, and I was only 17 in 1993!  Jennicut   May-10-10 01:20 PM   #44 
     - Yep, I remember it too.  Beacool   May-11-10 10:46 AM   #57 
  - Thank you, jobycom.  jesus_of_suburbia   May-11-10 11:13 AM   #58 
  - Sure was "on his watch" and he put his pen to it and DOMA -  lynne   May-10-10 10:05 AM   #31 
  - From what I understand it doesn't take an act of congress. Obama can repeal this if he wanted to  no limit   May-10-10 11:53 AM   #34 
  - Obama cannot repeal the law of the land, only congress can do this......  FrenchieCat   May-10-10 12:18 PM   #35 
     - I meant repeal the policy. He can do that and it would be just as good as an act of congress  no limit   May-10-10 12:20 PM   #36 
        - No, he can reverse a law via an executive order,  FrenchieCat   May-10-10 01:09 PM   #37 
        - In effect his executive order would allow openly gay people in the military  no limit   May-10-10 01:13 PM   #38 
           - The point of reversing a bad law is exactly to reverse a bad law.....  FrenchieCat   May-10-10 01:18 PM   #42 
              - I dont believe that for a second  no limit   May-10-10 01:22 PM   #45 
                 - What you believe doesn't really count.....  FrenchieCat   May-10-10 01:46 PM   #49 
                    - we'll see. I dont think it will get done this year  no limit   May-10-10 01:48 PM   #52 
        - It would stand only until a Republican got back in (unless they were against DADT).  Jennicut   May-10-10 01:16 PM   #40 
           - Exactly as I said. Sign the executive order now while you get congress to act  no limit   May-10-10 01:23 PM   #46 
              - Some conservadems may balk at doing that and we need their votes.  Jennicut   May-10-10 01:36 PM   #48 
                 - Then we wont get votes either way  no limit   May-10-10 01:48 PM   #50 
  - I think it was Colin Powell's fault  LisaM   May-10-10 01:17 PM   #41 
  - But I think this is why Obama is taking the military route to repeal the law......  FrenchieCat   May-10-10 01:19 PM   #43 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-10-10 01:48 PM   #51 
  - With all due respect, you and a whole lot of others, need to read these things called history books  dsc   May-10-10 02:49 PM   #53 
  - Absolutely yes.  Greyhound   May-10-10 04:48 PM   #55 
  - Well, that's his signature on it. nt  AtomicKitten   May-10-10 04:59 PM   #56 

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