zipplewrath
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Wed Apr-28-10 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #72 |
| 74. And I never said otherwise |
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So we've moved into strawmen now. Is your point that weak that you have to keep wandering around through these logical fallicies?
Let's see, first you denied he said and did these things. Then you denied that they meant what they said. Then you swithed to false dichotomies. Now we're onto strawmen.
He uses progressives BECAUSE they are a minority. I never claimed otherwise. Like I said, he likes to use us as his punching bag. He uses them as a counterpoint to the right wing. We'd rather be used as an ally. A little tough when he's busy rejecting you, calling you retarded, and sucking up to your opposition.
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| -"President Obama's strategy gets personal" |
Clio the Leo |
Apr-27-10 08:14 AM |
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Fine, I've got a list |
zipplewrath |
Apr-27-10 08:18 AM |
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Nelson (I'm saying that the same way Seinfeld would say "Newman"). nt |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
Apr-27-10 08:22 AM |
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Publically calling out Dennis... |
proudohioan |
Apr-27-10 08:43 AM |
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Progressives are his favorite punching bag |
zipplewrath |
Apr-27-10 08:48 AM |
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Doncha remember.... |
proudohioan |
Apr-27-10 08:57 AM |
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"Progressives are his favorite punching bag"?? Prove it. The OP refutes your baseless polemic. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-27-10 09:21 AM |
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He bragged to the GOP |
zipplewrath |
Apr-27-10 10:34 AM |
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Where are the sourced facts or quotes? I prefer contextual facts to vitriolic spin. n/t |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-27-10 10:53 AM |
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Meeting at the Blair House |
zipplewrath |
Apr-27-10 12:17 PM |
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That was a statement of fact. I am still waiting for proof that he "bragged to the GOP". n/t |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-27-10 02:44 PM |
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Those statements were made TO the GOP |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 07:31 AM |
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"He bragged to the GOP that he rejected "progressive ideas" So far, I see no proof. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 09:54 AM |
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Quotes aren't proof? |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 10:12 AM |
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Your few quotes are not proof of your assertions that he "bragged". He was stating facts... |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 10:18 AM |
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Your entire argument boils down to |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 10:26 AM |
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He never said "to the GOP" that he "rejected progressive ideas". You're spinning the facts. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 10:38 AM |
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I provided the quote |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 10:55 AM |
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You're moving the goalposts again. When did he say that "to the GOP"? |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 11:06 AM |
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Now you're really desperate |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 11:28 AM |
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How in the world can you twist that into he "bragged to the GOP that he rejected progressive ideas"? |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 11:32 AM |
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No, he is pandering to the right |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 11:41 AM |
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If that's true, then why is he calling Republicans out for not supporting financial reform? |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 11:47 AM |
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We shall see |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 11:53 AM |
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President Obama has had the best first year in history but there are always those who enjoy... |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 12:22 PM |
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Just not very progressive |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 12:29 PM |
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HCR, financial reform, immigration reform, and climate change legislation are not "GOP ideas". |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 12:50 PM |
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According to Obama |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 01:09 PM |
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That purposefully vague statement is not proof of what you're saying; it's polite persuasion. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 01:29 PM |
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Have you compared it? |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 02:06 PM |
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Did you want to "Kill the Bill" rather than have HCR signed into law? |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 02:22 PM |
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Some of them DID happen under GOP leadership |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 02:26 PM |
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TARP was revamped under President Obama and so were the GM bailouts. GOP leaders opposed both. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 02:33 PM |
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Which is different than "wouldn't have happened" |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 02:37 PM |
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Wrong. Republicans never would have added the repayment terms that Pres. Obama did. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 02:57 PM |
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Who said "that way" |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 03:01 PM |
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McCain was advocating Palin, too. So what? He was for immigration reform before he was against it. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 03:05 PM |
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You're dishonest |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 03:14 PM |
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Says the person who insists against all reality that President Obama "called out" Dennis Kucinich? |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 03:18 PM |
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You admitted it |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 03:21 PM |
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lol! I thought you were "done"? |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 03:26 PM |
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And done |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 03:32 PM |
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You're conflating again. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 03:52 PM |
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You clearly admitted your deception |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 03:56 PM |
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When did I do that, dear? Provide the link(s) to exact quotes in context. n/t |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 04:00 PM |
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Would you provide us links for each of your points? |
Control-Z |
Apr-28-10 02:43 AM |
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Asked and answered |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 07:32 AM |
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No, you keep offering spin and no proof. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 10:02 AM |
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I never was a big Clinton fan |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 10:13 AM |
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Who are you a big fan of? |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 10:20 AM |
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On what subject? |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 10:28 AM |
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Who did you support during the election year? |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 10:42 AM |
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Stared out with Richardson |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 10:47 AM |
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The former chairman of the DLC who was for the Iraq war before he was against it? |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 10:57 AM |
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No, all you do is claim they are false |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 11:03 AM |
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That's because your gross exaggerations are not remotely true, as I have repeatedly shown. n/t |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 11:11 AM |
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You have "shown" nothing |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 11:16 AM |
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Of course I have. Repeatedly. See Reply 40, for example... |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 11:22 AM |
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Quotes are "twists" |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 11:40 AM |
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No, your claims are "twists" of the few factual quotes you've offered.Other claims are simply false. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 11:51 AM |
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You guys never seem to know what he has said |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 12:09 PM |
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Oh, I know. He said the same thing as a candidate. I wanted you to provide the link pro forma. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 12:20 PM |
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And I never said otherwise |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 12:28 PM |
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Um, you said he said "to the GOP that he rejected progressive ideas" which is totally false. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 12:39 PM |
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He said it himself |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 12:49 PM |
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No, you keep deliberately mischaracterizing a few of his statements as "proof" of nefarious intent. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 01:53 PM |
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Ha |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 02:07 PM |
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You never proved any of your claims. You simply spun a few quotes into gross exaggeration. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 02:27 PM |
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So you have no cites and you didn't read your own post |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 02:41 PM |
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Um, I did provide "cites". It appears you're not reading my posts. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 02:51 PM |
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How lame |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 03:03 PM |
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No, I didn't. I added the "cites" before I even read your "lame" baiting taunts. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 03:10 PM |
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You're dishonest |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 03:14 PM |
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No, you're the one pushing false memes here. I simply have refuted them. n/t |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 03:19 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-27-10 09:16 AM |
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Dennis Kucinich sure didn't seem to mind, as his Esquire op-ed proved. n/t |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-27-10 09:22 AM |
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Dennis doesn't even believe that Dennis was called out. Can't let that stop a good phony outrage. |
phleshdef |
Apr-27-10 10:23 AM |
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So we're going to argue semantics? |
zipplewrath |
Apr-27-10 10:36 AM |
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No, we're stating the facts while you are spinning like a top. n/t |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-27-10 10:56 AM |
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So he didn't do those things? |
zipplewrath |
Apr-27-10 12:20 PM |
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President Obama didn't "call out" Dennis Kucinich. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-27-10 02:47 PM |
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Every single one happened |
zipplewrath |
Apr-27-10 09:06 PM |
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Prove it. n/t |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-27-10 09:07 PM |
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Fair enough. |
JoeyT |
Apr-28-10 12:18 AM |
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Here ya go |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 07:30 AM |
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Okay... |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 09:22 AM |
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I gave quotes |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 10:18 AM |
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You're moving the goalposts now. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 10:27 AM |
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Ha |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 10:32 AM |
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How did I do that? I specifically said that your claims were false and proceeded to prove it. n/t |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 10:39 AM |
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You proved nothing |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 10:49 AM |
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Opinions are not facts. Your polemic is made up of pure conjecture. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 11:14 AM |
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I did |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 03:04 PM |
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No, you simply kept repeating your false memes without providing a shred of proof. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 03:21 PM |
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you're dishonest |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 03:22 PM |
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Your outrage is as predictable as it is misplaced. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 03:30 PM |
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And I honestly made my case |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 03:39 PM |
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I think not. You repeatedly insisted President Obama said something he did not. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 03:49 PM |
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No comparison |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 03:55 PM |
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No, there isn't any comparison between your opinions and the true facts about President Obama. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-10 03:59 PM |
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A constituent yelled "vote Yes", Obama said "You hear that Dennis?"... WOW, such a HUGE callout. |
phleshdef |
Apr-27-10 11:01 AM |
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It was lame |
zipplewrath |
Apr-27-10 12:18 PM |
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Dennis did hear..and Dennis |
Cha |
Apr-27-10 01:08 PM |
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That was good natured -- for |
cadmium |
Apr-27-10 02:50 PM |
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Why were they there? |
zipplewrath |
Apr-28-10 07:51 AM |
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GObama! GObama! GObama! |
Dr Morbius |
Apr-27-10 08:31 AM |
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He gave them a fair chance to work with him |
NJmaverick |
Apr-27-10 08:37 AM |
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Mr. President, I LOVE YOU! |
Change Happens |
Apr-27-10 09:25 AM |
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He has tried numerous times to get them on board.. so I have no sympathy for the right. |
Peacetrain |
Apr-27-10 09:32 AM |
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"Rather than going after big groups of bad guys..." Isn't it better if he makes it ideological? |
rudy23 |
Apr-27-10 09:33 AM |
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DU loves Politico! |
Enrique |
Apr-27-10 09:41 AM |
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I don't. This Politico article is full of quotes from Republicans scolding Obama's approach. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-27-10 02:59 PM |
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Excellent! |
Captain Hilts |
Apr-27-10 10:50 AM |
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They forgot one. John McCain is a crazy old coot who doesn't know the |
Phx_Dem |
Apr-28-10 10:51 AM |
#55 |
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