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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:05 AM
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34. How ironic that Nixon was the greatest environmentalists of all time!
It was Nixon that gave us an EPA with teeth! Now we are being asked to support a bill in which the EPA has been emasculated by our corporate loving political elites.
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  -Kerry: Three Big Oil Companies Likely to Back Climate Bill (Strips EPA's authority to regulate CO2) flpoljunkie  Apr-23-10 08:59 AM   #0 
  - I'd like to see a straight carbon tax rather than the creation of yet another market...  polichick   Apr-23-10 09:02 AM   #1 
  - The problem is that a straight carbon tax can not get 60 votes  karynnj   Apr-23-10 10:44 AM   #6 
     - can it get 51? i doubt it.  maxsolomon   Apr-23-10 03:22 PM   #21 
        - Reconcilliation is not possible here - there was no enabling language for it  karynnj   Apr-24-10 12:03 AM   #31 
  - Agriculture would be entirely exempt from the cap on carbon emissions.  Kolesar   Apr-23-10 09:03 AM   #2 
  - Just a guess - this bill has a phased employment of caps in different sectors  karynnj   Apr-23-10 10:56 AM   #8 
     - Good take on "the civics"  Kolesar   Apr-23-10 03:06 PM   #20 
  - Well, seems that the immigration bill has already won from the latest rumor.  Mass   Apr-23-10 09:13 AM   #3 
  - What saddens me is that so many Dems opposed Kerry's stricter, original bill, forcing a compromise  blm   Apr-23-10 09:31 AM   #4 
     - I had the same feelings on the original letter as well, but a subsequent letter  karynnj   Apr-23-10 10:50 AM   #7 
     - that's what happens when people try to find national heroes in state politicians  asphalt.jungle   Apr-23-10 10:57 AM   #9 
     - I expect a Senator to be able to balance their concern for the state  karynnj   Apr-23-10 11:32 AM   #12 
        - of course the senators who do what's best for the country as a whole  asphalt.jungle   Apr-23-10 01:18 PM   #17 
           - I hink that the various boards sometimes pick a hero based on a vote or two or personality  karynnj   Apr-23-10 02:24 PM   #19 
           - I get what you mean completely. There've been times I've been against Kerry's position on an issue  blm   Apr-23-10 04:33 PM   #25 
     - Kerry can do no wrong in your world, can he?  Zomby Woof   Apr-23-10 04:08 PM   #22 
        - this bill is nowhere near enough, imo. Did you condemn those Dem senators who put the climate bill  blm   Apr-23-10 04:25 PM   #23 
        - If not for Senator Kerry, this issue wouldn't even be at the forefront  ProSense   Apr-23-10 04:30 PM   #24 
        - Probably mad that their favorite liberal/progressive is not leading on this issue,  politicasista   Apr-23-10 04:38 PM   #27 
           - I don't think so here It's far more complicated  karynnj   Apr-23-10 11:58 PM   #30 
              - This is all new to  politicasista   Apr-24-10 01:52 PM   #43 
                 - It is silly to suggest that there be a nuclear plant in Beacon Hill  karynnj   Apr-24-10 02:01 PM   #46 
                    - It was a poster in the Environmental/Energy forum that asked that  politicasista   Apr-24-10 02:13 PM   #48 
        - If you want a climate bill that passes, you need to get 60 votes  karynnj   Apr-23-10 11:01 PM   #28 
           - great post  asphalt.jungle   Apr-24-10 11:26 AM   #37 
           - Yep.  politicasista   Apr-24-10 01:55 PM   #44 
           - That's the same line of bullshit used to sell us the pro-corporate HCR  IndianaGreen   Apr-24-10 11:34 AM   #38 
  - what an obvious hitpiece! at least Kate could try to present a truthful description.  Aramchek   Apr-23-10 10:38 AM   #5 
  - I don't see it as a hit piece - It is actually pretty neutral, listing the support  karynnj   Apr-23-10 11:15 AM   #10 
     - every bullet point is a negative claim, there are no positives = Distorted Hit Piece  Aramchek   Apr-23-10 11:30 AM   #11 
        - You're actually right  karynnj   Apr-23-10 11:36 AM   #13 
  - not sure on the upsides/downsides of this yet  Teaser   Apr-23-10 11:44 AM   #14 
  - I agree with you  karynnj   Apr-23-10 12:16 PM   #15 
  - so WTF does it do that's GOOD?!?  damonm   Apr-23-10 01:10 PM   #16 
  - It brings carbon emissions down by 17% from 2005 levels by 2020  karynnj   Apr-23-10 02:10 PM   #18 
  - Wish you the best Senator. Cause you are going to get slammed and called  politicasista   Apr-23-10 04:37 PM   #26 
  - If this bill is given a chance this year, I will support it. It is a beginning and yes it is a  wisteria   Apr-23-10 11:44 PM   #29 
  - It's a start, but very definitely a compromise--many compromises. Also, may well be dead this year.  flpoljunkie   Apr-24-10 09:38 AM   #32 
     - I remain optimistic that Climate Change, then immigration can be accomplished this year.  wisteria   Apr-24-10 11:03 AM   #33 
  - How ironic that Nixon was the greatest environmentalists of all time!  IndianaGreen   Apr-24-10 11:05 AM   #34 
  - It's the times. And, if this effort fails you will get your wish and the EPA will take it up. n/t  wisteria   Apr-24-10 11:09 AM   #35 
  - We are being played for suckers by the political elites and their phony 2-party system!  IndianaGreen   Apr-24-10 11:17 AM   #36 
     - Please list all the "corporate Democrats" or if easier, those that aren't  karynnj   Apr-24-10 02:09 PM   #47 
  - The EPA will continue to do everything it is currently doing  karynnj   Apr-24-10 12:12 PM   #40 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-24-10 12:08 PM   #39 
  - Welcome to DU  karynnj   Apr-24-10 01:08 PM   #42 
  - "liberalism is a direct threat to my family"  Sebastian Doyle   Apr-24-10 02:00 PM   #45 
  - As a country we're doing entirely too little, too late to change the tracks we're on  MadHound   Apr-24-10 12:15 PM   #41 

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