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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 07:54 AM
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144. Many people's attitudes toward the military
would be better if they were doing what they are supposed to be doing -- protecting the Homeland. That is, setting up on our shorelines, patrolling the border, preparing to defeat any invader. Instead, they've become a massive occupying force all across the world, with the goal of securing oil and other natural resources held/produced by others. And in pursuing that course, they're occupying, killing and inflicting injustices on many innocent people. As in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Supposedly they're required to obey lawful orders and refuse unlawful ones. They obeyed the order to invade Iraq, but when they got there and discovered they had been seent there on a ruse to find WMD that didn't exist, their job was to confront the reality that the invasion wasn't justified and needed to be stopped. And therefore their job was to disobey any order that perpetuated the occupation. How many of them did that? Hardly any. Almost all of them continued to soldier on and inflict horrendous injuries on an undeserving local population as if they had no conscienes telling them that wahat they were doing was illegal.

So I can't work up much enthusiasm for the current military which is actually making our country less safe than safer, and doing that disservice at a huge cost to the nation's finances.
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  -Our Troops Are The Good Guys, Some Liberals Hate That ProSense  Apr-08-10 04:29 PM   #0 
  - What was the purpose of the release? Are you really asking that?  tekisui   Apr-08-10 04:33 PM   #1 
  - Yes. n/t  ProSense   Apr-08-10 04:34 PM   #2 
     - It is important to see thruths. Especially those that  tekisui   Apr-08-10 04:36 PM   #3 
        - "There should be investigations."  ProSense   Apr-08-10 04:40 PM   #7 
           - THat was a reasonable starting point.  tekisui   Apr-08-10 04:47 PM   #12 
           - I don't know about any other troops...  dencol   Apr-09-10 12:45 AM   #77 
  - Our troops are, OUR TROOPS. They arent all heroes. They arent all moral.  Gman2   Apr-08-10 04:36 PM   #4 
  - Correct. American troops are to follow the Geneva Convention - they are all taught this information  ShortnFiery   Apr-08-10 04:43 PM   #9 
  - Stop NOW! This is UN-SAT. Liberals serve in the Armed Forces too... SHAME!  ShortnFiery   Apr-08-10 04:37 PM   #5 
  - "I served in the military and consider the people who HATE the troops most are...LAZY CHICKEN-HAWK"  ProSense   Apr-08-10 04:47 PM   #11 
  - You're using hyperbole. Some troops are socio-pathic and should be discharged.  ShortnFiery   Apr-08-10 04:55 PM   #19 
  - "Some troops are socio-pathic," but you weren't and that goes for many others.  ProSense   Apr-08-10 05:00 PM   #23 
     - You don't get it. The General Officers and Civilian leader are the ones being CHALLENGED.  ShortnFiery   Apr-08-10 05:02 PM   #26 
     - It's lame.  ProSense   Apr-08-10 05:08 PM   #28 
        - When Countries wage "endless war" the atrocities pile up.  ShortnFiery   Apr-08-10 08:46 PM   #67 
     - The bad troops are the ones tarnishing the image of the military.  dencol   Apr-09-10 12:51 AM   #79 
        - Bad cops tarnish the image of the police department  ProSense   Apr-09-10 12:57 AM   #82 
           - Agreed. But in that case the police should try to clean up the department.  dencol   Apr-09-10 01:03 AM   #83 
           - It's only stupid if those departments don't change their policies.  Ignis   Apr-09-10 12:49 PM   #105 
  - I don't like generalizations.  dencol   Apr-09-10 12:49 AM   #78 
     - "... we brought the battle to them." And WE, THE PEOPLE must demand that it END. eom  ShortnFiery   Apr-09-10 09:55 AM   #100 
  - nowhere at all did he say all liberals hate the soldiers. he said some do. a bunch of them are on  dionysus   Apr-09-10 08:29 AM   #92 
  - good points, but terrible title  Enrique   Apr-08-10 04:38 PM   #6 
  - Not everyone is going to  ProSense   Apr-08-10 04:44 PM   #10 
     - Newsflash: NOBODY views the USA Combat troops as "the good guys"  ShortnFiery   Apr-08-10 04:48 PM   #14 
     - Hyperbole. n/t  ProSense   Apr-08-10 04:51 PM   #15 
        - No the cold, hard truth from a veteran whose Dad and Brother were decorated COMBAT vets. eom  ShortnFiery   Apr-08-10 05:01 PM   #24 
           - your dad and brother have nothing to do with this.  dionysus   Apr-09-10 08:31 AM   #93 
              - It's called perspective. I was very close to both of them. eom  ShortnFiery   Apr-13-10 10:15 AM   #155 
     - to say "our troops are the good guys" is highly offensive  Enrique   Apr-08-10 04:52 PM   #16 
     - BS. n/t  ProSense   Apr-08-10 04:55 PM   #18 
     - How can someone fighting a wrong war be "the good guys"?  dbmk   Apr-09-10 08:36 AM   #94 
        - Some people have deliberately forgotten Nuremberg.  Ignis   Apr-09-10 01:21 PM   #109 
     - Steaming, stinking...CROCK n/t  damonm   Apr-08-10 11:39 PM   #73 
     - It was your moron blogger buddy who labeled them "bloodthirsty," not legitimate critics.  ClassWarrior   Apr-09-10 11:35 PM   #135 
  - It's not so much that they're the good guys -- it's those damned white hats that I can't stand.  damntexdem   Apr-08-10 04:40 PM   #8 
  - sounds like pot stirring to me  WhiteTara   Apr-08-10 04:48 PM   #13 
  - From the Greenwald link in the OP  ProSense   Apr-08-10 04:54 PM   #17 
  - Ask any Vietnam Combat Veteran what they HAD to do to survive? If you're close enough to them  ShortnFiery   Apr-08-10 04:59 PM   #20 
  - Horrific things were done in Iraq.  ProSense   Apr-08-10 05:14 PM   #29 
  - Oh yeah,. A few bad apples. Just like Abu Graib.  tekisui   Apr-08-10 05:21 PM   #33 
     - What does that mean? n/t  ProSense   Apr-08-10 05:23 PM   #35 
        - I am suggesting it could very well be an endemic and systemic  tekisui   Apr-08-10 05:26 PM   #40 
        - well said.  cali   Apr-08-10 05:34 PM   #46 
        - "The military did two investigations and found nobody did nuthin' wrong."  ProSense   Apr-08-10 05:35 PM   #47 
           - Yeah, I trust internal military investigations.  tekisui   Apr-08-10 05:56 PM   #52 
              - "Why are you so interested in unraveling why it was released?"  ProSense   Apr-08-10 06:01 PM   #55 
                 - THey may very well deserve it?  tekisui   Apr-08-10 06:05 PM   #58 
                 - Truth? n/t  dbmk   Apr-09-10 07:50 AM   #90 
        - Not surprising that you don't get it given the load of crap you posted. n/t  Raineyb   Apr-09-10 06:40 PM   #115 
  - I'm a Vietnam combat vet  cowman   Apr-10-10 10:26 AM   #139 
     - my longest friend in this life  SwampG8r   Apr-10-10 11:46 PM   #142 
     - Amen brother!  joe black   Apr-12-10 11:50 AM   #147 
     - You weren't serving in the Airborne Infantry - 101st Abn - in 1968 and 69?  ShortnFiery   Apr-12-10 11:56 AM   #148 
  - Well, you can't stir shit if it isn't there to begin with, can you?  sabrina 1   Apr-09-10 01:49 AM   #84 
  - looks like he's looking to become a RW media darling  Enrique   Apr-08-10 05:00 PM   #22 
     - He did no such thing. n/t  ProSense   Apr-08-10 05:16 PM   #30 
  - Stupid article  Downtown Hound   Apr-08-10 04:59 PM   #21 
  - "recognize that not every soldier is a bloodthirsty killer "  ProSense   Apr-08-10 05:03 PM   #27 
     - One little disclaimer doesn't take away the point I was trying to make  Downtown Hound   Apr-08-10 05:33 PM   #45 
  - What is disgusting to me is this "support the troops" platitude  zeemike   Apr-08-10 05:02 PM   #25 
  - "The Troops are trained to do what they do, and we train them and approve of that training."  ProSense   Apr-08-10 05:18 PM   #32 
     - Yes now just tell me what that means to support the troops  zeemike   Apr-08-10 05:36 PM   #48 
        - "but you want more" I don't want a damn thing. That's your call. n/t  ProSense   Apr-08-10 05:38 PM   #49 
  - "Anyone have family members in the military? Are they bloodthirsty?"  bertman   Apr-08-10 05:17 PM   #31 
  - "You are kidding, right?" No, I'm not  ProSense   Apr-08-10 05:22 PM   #34 
  - There are no "good guys" in this mess.  Jokerman   Apr-08-10 05:24 PM   #36 
  - BS. n/t  ProSense   Apr-08-10 05:25 PM   #37 
  - Double-BS.n/t  tekisui   Apr-08-10 05:29 PM   #43 
  - +1  cultedelaraison   Apr-08-10 06:24 PM   #61 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-08-10 05:25 PM   #38 
  - "but their must be some standard for war. "  ProSense   Apr-08-10 05:28 PM   #42 
  - What was the purpose of the release?  Kurt_and_Hunter   Apr-08-10 05:26 PM   #39 
  - Obama is infallible.  tekisui   Apr-08-10 05:28 PM   #41 
  - That's not true  Cali_Democrat   Apr-09-10 01:34 PM   #111 
  - "To inform the fucking populace of a fucking ostensible fucking democracy of the fucking actions  ProSense   Apr-08-10 05:31 PM   #44 
     - re: What are the implications for Obama?  Kurt_and_Hunter   Apr-08-10 05:42 PM   #50 
     - "Well, there shouldn't be any but ...  ProSense   Apr-08-10 05:45 PM   #51 
     - BTW, what is the talking point on the Presidential hit of a US citizen?  tekisui   Apr-08-10 06:01 PM   #54 
     - Terrorists are terrorists. n/t  ProSense   Apr-08-10 06:02 PM   #56 
        - How's that?  tekisui   Apr-08-10 06:04 PM   #57 
           - Here:  ProSense   Apr-08-10 06:07 PM   #59 
              - I want to know, exactly, what the standard is.  tekisui   Apr-08-10 06:11 PM   #60 
                 - Of course it's a tough call  treestar   Apr-08-10 09:40 PM   #71 
                    - It's up to President Obama to investigate and prosecute them NOW!  ShortnFiery   Apr-09-10 09:11 AM   #97 
                       - when you're fresh out of crazy, bring out those tired ass cards...  dionysus   Apr-09-10 01:05 PM   #108 
                          - When you're fresh out of rudeness, bring out the civility you must have - deep down. eom  ShortnFiery   Apr-12-10 05:46 PM   #152 
     - It's a straightforward question. Why can't you answer it?  Ignis   Apr-09-10 12:51 PM   #106 
     - You noticed the correlation, too!  tekisui   Apr-08-10 05:59 PM   #53 
     - You're giving us a choice only of black and white  treestar   Apr-08-10 09:38 PM   #70 
     - Commander-In-Chief is not just an honorary title: President Obama is RESPONSIBLE for the misconduct  ShortnFiery   Apr-09-10 09:05 AM   #95 
  - WAR FOR PROFIT IS EVIL. "The greatest purveyor of violence in the world : My own Government,  grahamhgreen   Apr-08-10 06:51 PM   #62 
  - What is the purpose of the military?  whosinpower   Apr-08-10 06:56 PM   #63 
  - Oh, OK. Good to know.  donco6   Apr-08-10 07:18 PM   #64 
  - "Killing unarmed civilians = Something Good Guys Do." Don't be ridiculous. n/t  ProSense   Apr-08-10 07:20 PM   #65 
     - So, Good Guys don't kill unarmed civilians, right?  Ignis   Apr-09-10 01:24 PM   #110 
  - Do you really believe they all "good guys"? Each and every one?  Oregone   Apr-08-10 07:37 PM   #66 
  - Who is dumb enough to still think in "Good Guys/Bad Guys" terms? Are they still children?  boppers   Apr-08-10 08:53 PM   #68 
  - The military are the only public servants that are worshipped in this country.  hollowdweller   Apr-08-10 09:22 PM   #69 
  - Bullshit.  Arugula Latte   Apr-08-10 11:21 PM   #72 
  - "And when was the last time the U.S. military actually "defended" anything?" Speaking of  ProSense   Apr-09-10 12:22 AM   #74 
     - The invasion of Afghanistan where they've killed massive #s of civilians isn't making us safer  Arugula Latte   Apr-09-10 12:32 AM   #75 
        - "But you seem to be implying there aren't any bad guys." Nonsense. n/t  ProSense   Apr-09-10 12:34 AM   #76 
  - What a stupid article. One of those faux 'progressives'  sabrina 1   Apr-09-10 12:51 AM   #80 
  - "pushing the Rovian meme that liberals hate the military"  ProSense   Apr-09-10 12:55 AM   #81 
  - Sure it is.  tekisui   Apr-09-10 04:29 AM   #85 
  - Yes it is and it's not a surprise that you're pushing this swill. n/t  Raineyb   Apr-09-10 06:41 PM   #117 
     - BINGO  mitchtv   Apr-11-10 10:50 PM   #146 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-09-10 08:25 AM   #91 
  - So why isn't Oliver over there fighting for freedom?  cornermouse   Apr-09-10 06:09 AM   #86 
  - Your last comment  jefferson_dem   Apr-09-10 06:20 AM   #87 
     - No.  cornermouse   Apr-10-10 02:41 AM   #136 
  - The military does good and bad IMO.  CBR   Apr-09-10 06:38 AM   #88 
  - I'm about to start serving next month  Zech Marquis The 2nd   Apr-09-10 06:57 AM   #89 
  - Part of the code is to follow the Geneva Conventions = not to fire on unarmed civilians.  ShortnFiery   Apr-09-10 09:08 AM   #96 
  - Pretty sure the Rules of Engagment does not allow for speculation of that sort  dbmk   Apr-09-10 09:15 AM   #98 
  - Liberal Veterans see it differently, I suppose.  Bluenorthwest   Apr-09-10 09:49 AM   #99 
  - All of the veterans in my family would agree.  Ignis   Apr-09-10 01:36 PM   #112 
  - Shocked to see a VoteVets ad on Fox News what makes the connection bt dependence on Oil  Supersedeas   Apr-09-10 10:05 AM   #101 
  - "bloodthirsty savages who kill for the heck of it"  niceypoo   Apr-09-10 10:06 AM   #102 
  - exactly  Vattel   Apr-09-10 10:57 AM   #104 
  - Yup. Pretty strawman-ish.  chrisa   Apr-09-10 08:48 PM   #124 
  - I wouldn't say "evil," but give a naive, poorly educated 19-year-old a gun  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-09-10 10:10 AM   #103 
  - All of them? 90%? 80%? 70%?  Ignis   Apr-09-10 12:54 PM   #107 
  - There ARE no Good Guys in war!  Rage Inc.   Apr-09-10 03:44 PM   #113 
  - What the hell is the point of this bullshit OP? n/t  Raineyb   Apr-09-10 06:32 PM   #114 
  - To prove that people have comprehension issues.  ProSense   Apr-09-10 06:57 PM   #120 
  - One of the dumber OPs in recent months.  Jakes Progress   Apr-09-10 06:41 PM   #116 
  - One of the dumbest responses ever. n/t  ProSense   Apr-09-10 06:55 PM   #119 
     - As expected.  Jakes Progress   Apr-10-10 10:01 AM   #137 
  - There is a marked tendency in this country to blame sides.  Dr Morbius   Apr-09-10 06:49 PM   #118 
  - The military is rife with corruption.  chrisa   Apr-09-10 08:33 PM   #121 
  - LOL... I love the pro military types at DU  LittleBlue   Apr-09-10 08:38 PM   #122 
  - LOL! What?  ProSense   Apr-09-10 08:41 PM   #123 
     - The article is idiotic  LittleBlue   Apr-09-10 08:53 PM   #125 
        - Idiotic is not  ProSense   Apr-09-10 09:01 PM   #126 
           - Jesus Christ, do you know the blogger in the OP is using an axiom  LittleBlue   Apr-09-10 09:36 PM   #129 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-09-10 09:44 PM   #131 
              - Me thinks he wanted to spar wif us...  MrMickeysMom   Apr-10-10 11:18 AM   #140 
  - You do realize "bloodthirsty" is the word of this moron blogger, not of the people he's trying...  ClassWarrior   Apr-09-10 09:13 PM   #127 
  - Here,  ProSense   Apr-09-10 09:24 PM   #128 
     - Greenwald is spot on. "EVIL thrives when good people stay silent."  ShortnFiery   Apr-09-10 09:43 PM   #130 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-09-10 10:11 PM   #133 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-10-10 10:07 AM   #138 
     - Explain to me how anything in that quote is analogous to "bloodthirsty."  ClassWarrior   Apr-10-10 11:29 AM   #141 
  - "Let's hear it for the good guys!"  last_texas_dem   Apr-09-10 10:09 PM   #132 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-09-10 11:33 PM   #134 
  - You're seriously asking the "purpose" of releasing the video??  Blue_Tires   Apr-11-10 01:55 AM   #143 
  - Many people's attitudes toward the military  jeanpalmer   Apr-11-10 07:54 AM   #144 
  - You're asking a lot from GI Joe.  Dr Morbius   Apr-12-10 05:39 PM   #151 
     - If they took two minutes to look at U.S. history before they enlisted,  Arugula Latte   Apr-13-10 10:12 AM   #154 
  - Screw the military  murdoch   Apr-11-10 06:41 PM   #145 
  - the military follows orders from civilians. The left seems more aware of this than the right  yurbud   Apr-12-10 04:18 PM   #149 
  - The troops are not "bloodthirsty" on the whole, but they ARE pawns of  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-12-10 04:22 PM   #150 
  - Ah, this takes me back to 2003, when administration hacks were saying the exact same thing!  Lilith Velkor   Apr-13-10 09:28 AM   #153 

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