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Mon Mar-29-10 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #151 |
| 152. Thanks for your response, Robb. |
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"Being right doesn't mean there won't be demons coming at night, you know?" You sure got that right. And I fear those demons more than you can imagine. I wish I could say we're right, no ifs, ands or buts.....but I can't. I think our mistake is there for all to see, if we look beyond the manipulation and distractions, including those coming from the current administration. There's a history in the Middle East that goes well beyond our 5 decades of interference. We're not helping anything. Just the opposite. Thanks again, and you're no dingbat, no matter what those crazy Loungers keep telling me! 
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| -Obama's Surprise Trip to Afghanistan: A Pro-War Pep Rally |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 09:26 AM |
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Yes, this is IMO, sadly true. |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 09:37 AM |
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Ummm...it's one thing to invoke 9/11 when speaking to those fighting in IRAQ. It's quite another, |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 10:29 AM |
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what's pathetic is that people actually believe that this is a "just" war |
frylock |
Mar-29-10 10:38 AM |
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No. What's pathetic is people HERE confusing Iraq with Afghanistan or claiming |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 11:02 AM |
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i'm not confusing one with the other.. |
frylock |
Mar-29-10 11:45 AM |
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I'm talking about the poster I was replying to when you jumped in. n/t |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 12:11 PM |
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No one is confused here |
spoony |
Mar-29-10 11:59 AM |
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Well why not explain it to us? |
polmaven |
Mar-29-10 04:07 PM |
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BULL! It was Al Qaeda NOT the average Afghan citizen who was responsible for 9/11. |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 11:07 AM |
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You conflated Afghanistan and Iraq just like Bush used to do. It's totally appropriate to |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 11:14 AM |
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Oh stop with the "just like ..." that's so glaringly trite. No, it was al Qaeda now population 150 |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 11:16 AM |
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No, I won't stop with the "just like" because it's true. For you to say you got a chill up your |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 11:21 AM |
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Are you sure about that? |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 11:22 AM |
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I'm sure it's not our policy to target civilians. But I'd also bet there ARE some individual |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 11:25 AM |
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Our policy is worthless to the families |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 11:26 AM |
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Yes, it is, which is why Obama went to tell the troops |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 11:29 AM |
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It sure is pro-war. |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 11:34 AM |
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No, it's pro-troops. It was NOT a sales-pitch for war-it's telling the troops that they're |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 11:42 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
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Mar-29-10 11:45 AM |
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The war is bull. |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 11:47 AM |
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Obama is not "pro-war" any more than he's "pro-abortion." You're as far off as the RW |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 12:07 PM |
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What he says and what he did are different things. |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 12:20 PM |
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Of course you're right. Any thinking person can read what the Pres said |
DevonRex |
Mar-29-10 11:48 AM |
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Yes, "thinking person" as opposed to the poor BLOODY infantry troops who gets to |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 11:51 AM |
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If the troops are targeting civilians, they're not very good at it. |
Robb |
Mar-29-10 11:26 AM |
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596 innocent people killed for our actions. |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 11:32 AM |
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I would like to have ice cream for breakfast every day. |
Robb |
Mar-29-10 11:34 AM |
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Fucking cold, dude. |
Forkboy |
Mar-29-10 12:50 PM |
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It's a violent, dangerous part of the world. |
Robb |
Mar-29-10 02:43 PM |
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Karma's gonna kick many pesudo tough-guys/gals in the ass ... in a BIG WAY. |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 02:50 PM |
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You think I've got some kind of "tough guy" thing going? |
Robb |
Mar-29-10 02:55 PM |
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I did NOT specifically ID you. But the 1,000 to 10,000 ratio is not a sound rationale. |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 03:18 PM |
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We don't know that, either. That's an opinion. |
Robb |
Mar-29-10 03:20 PM |
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I stand corrected. Either Country being occupied by USA combat troops makes Americans |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 03:23 PM |
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The question is, what numbers are your base to start from? |
Forkboy |
Mar-29-10 05:25 PM |
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I hear you. |
Robb |
Mar-29-10 08:29 PM |
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Thanks for your response, Robb. |
Forkboy |
Mar-29-10 08:40 PM |
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"They were fucking awful deaths, man." No, they ALL were fucking awful SENSELESS deaths, man. |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-30-10 01:47 AM |
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Yes, I did. Because you discount that many of us did not believe in an INVASION of |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 11:33 AM |
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I hope you didn't vote for Obama knowing his position on the Afghan war and your |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 11:38 AM |
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I didn't have a choice. Kucinich didn't stand a chance. It's voting for the |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 11:43 AM |
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You sound ridiculous. Keep trying. Nobody's buying. |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 12:13 PM |
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No, I sound like a number of good Americans who don't have a variety of |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 02:01 PM |
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No, you sound like a conspiracy theorist |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 02:06 PM |
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Of course I do NOT. EVERYONE agreed that our enemy was "al Qaeda." The attack ... |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 02:18 PM |
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The conspiracy I'm talking about is not about al Qaeda. As I SAID, it's about |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 02:36 PM |
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Oh I'm sorry. Right leaning two parties? Yes! Favoring corporations above people? Yes. FACT! |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 02:44 PM |
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Posting someone's opinion doesn't change the fact that you're a conspiracy theorist. |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 02:52 PM |
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It's inappropriate to disrespect a fellow member without provocation. Dare I say against the rules? |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 02:56 PM |
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Calling you a "conspiracy theorist" is not disrespecting you. I'm stating a fact. |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 03:08 PM |
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No that is not a fact but your PERSONAL opinion ... |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 03:21 PM |
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No, it's a fact. You have some crazy idea that all politicians who get elected are part of |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 03:32 PM |
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None are so blind that they WILL NOT SEE what's right in front of their eyes. |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 03:51 PM |
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Then look at this: |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 06:23 PM |
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What do these acts have to do with ongoing occupations by our combat troops? eom |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-30-10 01:40 AM |
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You asked, "Tell me IN WHAT WAYS President Obama is a Progressive?" I showed you. n/t |
jenmito |
Mar-30-10 10:40 AM |
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i certainly won't make that mistake again |
frylock |
Mar-29-10 11:47 AM |
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Yeah. Better to elect a war-monger who wants to take over the world. |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 12:14 PM |
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and therein lies the dilemma, right? |
frylock |
Mar-29-10 12:25 PM |
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No... |
jenmito |
Mar-29-10 12:57 PM |
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i've been speaking out since 2001! |
frylock |
Mar-29-10 01:43 PM |
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Not the average citizens |
harkadog |
Mar-29-10 04:35 PM |
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We're not the only ones. |
Robb |
Mar-29-10 08:14 PM |
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So now he shouldn't visit the troops he commands? |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Mar-29-10 09:45 AM |
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That's not how I read it. |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 09:48 AM |
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that's not how you want to read it |
Teaser |
Mar-29-10 10:41 AM |
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I read what the article says. |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 10:46 AM |
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"It's why we're improving care for our wounded warriors, |
LibDemAlways |
Mar-29-10 09:47 AM |
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If I was in the military I would want to hear that the President gives a damn about |
Jennicut |
Mar-29-10 09:53 AM |
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Yea because until he said that, the troops had NO idea there was any risk of that. |
phleshdef |
Mar-29-10 09:57 AM |
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His words made NO connection between PTSD treatment and "pursuit of dreams". |
phleshdef |
Mar-29-10 09:56 AM |
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Are you saying that those with PTSD clearly aren't |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 10:00 AM |
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If you and the author want to continue to willfully lack comprehension skills, be my guest. |
phleshdef |
Mar-29-10 10:03 AM |
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Let me help you: |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 10:08 AM |
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I need no other reason. The author LIED. |
phleshdef |
Mar-29-10 10:11 AM |
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He did not lie, you are full of shit. |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 10:15 AM |
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It IS a lie - one that you obviously like and want to further. Here's the relevant portion: |
DevonRex |
Mar-29-10 10:24 AM |
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Wait. Do wounded soldiers, with PTSD not qualify for the |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 10:28 AM |
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Oh good grief. That reply is too silly for words. nt |
DevonRex |
Mar-29-10 10:34 AM |
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As is your attempt to dismiss the entire article over |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 10:35 AM |
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I generally DO dismiss what's said by liars. nt |
DevonRex |
Mar-29-10 10:48 AM |
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You can't point to the lie. |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 10:51 AM |
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"The govt will help veterans with PTSD and traumatic brain injuries to pursue their dreams." |
phleshdef |
Mar-29-10 11:36 AM |
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So we aren't going to help those with PTSD |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 11:48 AM |
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There is a point where a sensible person would stop digging. |
Robb |
Mar-29-10 11:52 AM |
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Robb, you're on a roll. |
DevonRex |
Mar-29-10 11:53 AM |
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No one has shown a lie, but keep claiming it is there. |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 11:54 AM |
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... |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 03:29 PM |
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I have shown you two lies. Only one was the OPs. |
Robb |
Mar-29-10 03:30 PM |
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No you haven't. |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 03:38 PM |
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I agree with you. The author lied so the article is trash. And flame-bait. nt |
DevonRex |
Mar-29-10 10:19 AM |
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Where is the lie? |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 10:22 AM |
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I told you above. But here it is again. |
DevonRex |
Mar-29-10 10:26 AM |
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The GI Bill helps WHOM? |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 10:29 AM |
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Silly. But obviously not beneath you. nt |
DevonRex |
Mar-29-10 10:34 AM |
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Are you trying to guilt me or something? |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 10:36 AM |
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Look who's talking. |
Robb |
Mar-29-10 10:40 AM |
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What are you trying to say, Robb? |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 10:46 AM |
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Mar-29-10 11:09 AM |
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Clearly the GI bill helps the VA budget. |
Robb |
Mar-29-10 10:46 AM |
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Well done, Robb. |
DevonRex |
Mar-29-10 10:49 AM |
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Can you tell me who was being addressed in the |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 10:54 AM |
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First off, that wasn't the quote in question. |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 10:51 AM |
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As on against that war, I knew it was a boilerplate speech to rally the troops |
zulchzulu |
Mar-29-10 11:19 AM |
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That's not what Karzai's saying today |
BeyondGeography |
Mar-29-10 11:41 AM |
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Karzai will say and do what WE tell him. |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 11:47 AM |
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K&R |
Moochy |
Mar-29-10 11:48 AM |
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MUST WATCH: "The Secret Government" (Moyers chilling doc about the war machine) |
polichick |
Mar-29-10 11:59 AM |
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Hey polichik! |
DevonRex |
Mar-29-10 12:05 PM |
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This piece was done in the late 80s following the Iran Contra hearings... |
polichick |
Mar-29-10 12:50 PM |
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well... |
greencharlie |
Mar-29-10 12:29 PM |
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No, it didn't..it was written by President Obama and if |
Cha |
Mar-29-10 02:10 PM |
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Good for President Obama going to Afghanistan |
Cha |
Mar-29-10 12:29 PM |
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Clarity of the mission? |
greencharlie |
Mar-29-10 12:35 PM |
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Why does it have to be a pro-war pep rally merely because he went to see them? |
treestar |
Mar-29-10 12:36 PM |
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It doesn't have to be, but what he said made it so. |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 12:37 PM |
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Out of curiosity, other than "we're leaving now", what do you think he should have said? |
Hippo_Tron |
Mar-29-10 12:46 PM |
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He would have had to speak in contradiction to his actions. |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 01:12 PM |
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judging by what was SAID there. nt |
greencharlie |
Mar-29-10 12:37 PM |
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It's pro reality rally.. |
Cha |
Mar-29-10 12:45 PM |
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If you are against this war so be it. I am and I think this notion that the |
Jennicut |
Mar-29-10 12:51 PM |
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Exactly. The combination of 2 separate sentences as if they were one |
DevonRex |
Mar-29-10 12:54 PM |
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Hey! |
Jennicut |
Mar-29-10 01:12 PM |
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Yes.....because we should be clear |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Mar-29-10 12:56 PM |
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How many Americans should die for the Islamic republic we've set up in Afghanistan? |
grahamhgreen |
Mar-29-10 01:05 PM |
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How many Afghans should die because the US didn't fix what they broke? n/t |
Bodhi BloodWave |
Mar-29-10 07:40 PM |
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We ARE the problem, like a parent who's beating a child, it's time for us to go. |
grahamhgreen |
Mar-29-10 08:43 PM |
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In related "all war is bad" news: Pres. Abraham Lincoln gave "pro-war pep rally" at Gettysberg, PA |
ClarkUSA |
Mar-29-10 01:56 PM |
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Compare an unjust invasion and occupation of a country across the globe to us WITH our civil war? |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 02:08 PM |
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Pursuing Al-Qaida and its allies -- after BushCo took their eye off the ball -- is "unjust"? |
ClarkUSA |
Mar-29-10 02:29 PM |
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Eye off the ball? Check! But now we have chased out al Qaeda and it's time to |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 03:01 PM |
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What is the intel that states "we have chased out al Qaeda" in AfPak? |
ClarkUSA |
Mar-29-10 07:09 PM |
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Not at all unjust..just a way for |
Cha |
Mar-29-10 03:11 PM |
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LOL |
Robb |
Mar-29-10 03:32 PM |
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Yes, we don't know squat. |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 03:40 PM |
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Some of us were. |
Robb |
Mar-29-10 03:46 PM |
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No, nice guess but no cigar. |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 03:58 PM |
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Let's just say you're implying you were born in Afghanistan or Pakistan |
Robb |
Mar-29-10 04:03 PM |
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No, I was saying that I was ... |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 04:35 PM |
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Exactly and the President is no |
Cha |
Mar-29-10 03:44 PM |
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Yes, Important decisions that include Killing and Dying for an UNJUST Cause. |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 03:49 PM |
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Oh stop with that drivel. Many of us like Candidate Obama A LOT. To include waiting |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 03:34 PM |
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I just read that President Obama's speech sounded like |
Cha |
Mar-29-10 02:11 PM |
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Mar-29-10 02:37 PM |
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Mar-29-10 03:03 PM |
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Mar-29-10 03:13 PM |
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Yay, War!!!! |
Common Sense Party |
Mar-29-10 03:31 PM |
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That's trite and has nothing to do with reality. |
Cha |
Mar-29-10 03:51 PM |
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Mar-29-10 03:54 PM |
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Truth hurts. |
Common Sense Party |
Mar-29-10 04:22 PM |
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Actually the truth feels pretty damn good. |
phleshdef |
Mar-29-10 04:39 PM |
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When do you deploy for that first Recon Patrol out in Enemy Territory? |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-29-10 04:42 PM |
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You think the families of the 1,000 dead US servicemembers |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 05:22 PM |
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Doesn't it phlesh! |
Cha |
Mar-29-10 06:27 PM |
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Extremists? |
tekisui |
Mar-29-10 08:21 PM |
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It doesn't hurt me but that doesn't make your |
Cha |
Mar-29-10 06:26 PM |
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Whatever infection DU's hawks have |
spoony |
Mar-29-10 09:35 PM |
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Who told you to put the balm on? I didn't tell you to put the balm on! |
Forkboy |
Mar-30-10 01:52 AM |
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Bush and now Obama feel good about troops under their command dying for naught in Afghanistan. |
jody |
Mar-29-10 08:41 PM |
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I really wish the current President would pull out the troops out of |
akbacchus_BC |
Mar-29-10 09:52 PM |
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It wasn't a pep rally for the troops |
jeanpalmer |
Mar-30-10 01:39 AM |
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Hey, the dead are by the hands of a Democrat....lighten up! |
Forkboy |
Mar-30-10 01:54 AM |
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The message was also directed at Europe |
jeanpalmer |
Mar-30-10 02:53 AM |
#162 |