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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 11:33 AM
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48. Yes, I did. Because you discount that many of us did not believe in an INVASION of
Afghanistan as "JUST." No, you don't invade an entire country because they had ONE FOREIGN faction staying there responsible for atrocities. We should have pulled ALL our troops out after "Tora Bora."

No, this is VILE. It's like invading the entire city of Detroit and laying it into ruins in order to take over one GMC Plant. It's a war crime. We should be making reparations, not continuing to occupy this sovereign nation.

But - no worries. As always MIGHT MAKES RIGHT. :puke:
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  -Obama's Surprise Trip to Afghanistan: A Pro-War Pep Rally tekisui  Mar-29-10 09:26 AM   #0 
  - Yes, this is IMO, sadly true.  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 09:37 AM   #1 
  -'s one thing to invoke 9/11 when speaking to those fighting in IRAQ. It's quite another,  jenmito   Mar-29-10 10:29 AM   #18 
     - what's pathetic is that people actually believe that this is a "just" war  frylock   Mar-29-10 10:38 AM   #24 
     - No. What's pathetic is people HERE confusing Iraq with Afghanistan or claiming  jenmito   Mar-29-10 11:02 AM   #35 
     - i'm not confusing one with the other..  frylock   Mar-29-10 11:45 AM   #56 
     - I'm talking about the poster I was replying to when you jumped in. n/t  jenmito   Mar-29-10 12:11 PM   #72 
     - No one is confused here  spoony   Mar-29-10 11:59 AM   #69 
     - Well why not explain it to us?  polmaven   Mar-29-10 04:07 PM   #136 
     - BULL! It was Al Qaeda NOT the average Afghan citizen who was responsible for 9/11.  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 11:07 AM   #36 
        - You conflated Afghanistan and Iraq just like Bush used to do. It's totally appropriate to  jenmito   Mar-29-10 11:14 AM   #38 
           - Oh stop with the "just like ..." that's so glaringly trite. No, it was al Qaeda now population 150  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 11:16 AM   #39 
              - No, I won't stop with the "just like" because it's true. For you to say you got a chill up your  jenmito   Mar-29-10 11:21 AM   #41 
                 - Are you sure about that?  tekisui   Mar-29-10 11:22 AM   #42 
                 - I'm sure it's not our policy to target civilians. But I'd also bet there ARE some individual  jenmito   Mar-29-10 11:25 AM   #43 
                 - Our policy is worthless to the families  tekisui   Mar-29-10 11:26 AM   #44 
                    - Yes, it is, which is why Obama went to tell the troops  jenmito   Mar-29-10 11:29 AM   #46 
                       - It sure is pro-war.  tekisui   Mar-29-10 11:34 AM   #49 
                          - No, it's pro-troops. It was NOT a sales-pitch for war-it's telling the troops that they're  jenmito   Mar-29-10 11:42 AM   #54 
                             - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-29-10 11:45 AM   #57 
                             - The war is bull.  tekisui   Mar-29-10 11:47 AM   #58 
                             - Obama is not "pro-war" any more than he's "pro-abortion." You're as far off as the RW  jenmito   Mar-29-10 12:07 PM   #71 
                                - What he says and what he did are different things.  tekisui   Mar-29-10 12:20 PM   #75 
                             - Of course you're right. Any thinking person can read what the Pres said  DevonRex   Mar-29-10 11:48 AM   #63 
                                - Yes, "thinking person" as opposed to the poor BLOODY infantry troops who gets to  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 11:51 AM   #64 
                 - If the troops are targeting civilians, they're not very good at it.  Robb   Mar-29-10 11:26 AM   #45 
                    - 596 innocent people killed for our actions.  tekisui   Mar-29-10 11:32 AM   #47 
                       - I would like to have ice cream for breakfast every day.  Robb   Mar-29-10 11:34 AM   #50 
                          - Fucking cold, dude.  Forkboy   Mar-29-10 12:50 PM   #85 
                             - It's a violent, dangerous part of the world.  Robb   Mar-29-10 02:43 PM   #105 
                                - Karma's gonna kick many pesudo tough-guys/gals in the ass ... in a BIG WAY.  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 02:50 PM   #107 
                                - You think I've got some kind of "tough guy" thing going?  Robb   Mar-29-10 02:55 PM   #109 
                                   - I did NOT specifically ID you. But the 1,000 to 10,000 ratio is not a sound rationale.  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 03:18 PM   #116 
                                      - We don't know that, either. That's an opinion.  Robb   Mar-29-10 03:20 PM   #117 
                                         - I stand corrected. Either Country being occupied by USA combat troops makes Americans  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 03:23 PM   #119 
                                - The question is, what numbers are your base to start from?  Forkboy   Mar-29-10 05:25 PM   #143 
                                   - I hear you.  Robb   Mar-29-10 08:29 PM   #151 
                                      - Thanks for your response, Robb.  Forkboy   Mar-29-10 08:40 PM   #152 
                                      - "They were fucking awful deaths, man." No, they ALL were fucking awful SENSELESS deaths, man.  ShortnFiery   Mar-30-10 01:47 AM   #159 
                 - Yes, I did. Because you discount that many of us did not believe in an INVASION of  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 11:33 AM   #48 
                 - I hope you didn't vote for Obama knowing his position on the Afghan war and your  jenmito   Mar-29-10 11:38 AM   #52 
                    - I didn't have a choice. Kucinich didn't stand a chance. It's voting for the  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 11:43 AM   #55 
                    - You sound ridiculous. Keep trying. Nobody's buying.  jenmito   Mar-29-10 12:13 PM   #73 
                       - No, I sound like a number of good Americans who don't have a variety of  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 02:01 PM   #96 
                          - No, you sound like a conspiracy theorist  jenmito   Mar-29-10 02:06 PM   #97 
                             - Of course I do NOT. EVERYONE agreed that our enemy was "al Qaeda." The attack ...  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 02:18 PM   #101 
                                - The conspiracy I'm talking about is not about al Qaeda. As I SAID, it's about  jenmito   Mar-29-10 02:36 PM   #103 
                                   - Oh I'm sorry. Right leaning two parties? Yes! Favoring corporations above people? Yes. FACT!  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 02:44 PM   #106 
                                      - Posting someone's opinion doesn't change the fact that you're a conspiracy theorist.  jenmito   Mar-29-10 02:52 PM   #108 
                                         - It's inappropriate to disrespect a fellow member without provocation. Dare I say against the rules?  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 02:56 PM   #110 
                                            - Calling you a "conspiracy theorist" is not disrespecting you. I'm stating a fact.  jenmito   Mar-29-10 03:08 PM   #113 
                                               - No that is not a fact but your PERSONAL opinion ...  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 03:21 PM   #118 
                                               - No, it's a fact. You have some crazy idea that all politicians who get elected are part of  jenmito   Mar-29-10 03:32 PM   #123 
                                               - None are so blind that they WILL NOT SEE what's right in front of their eyes.  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 03:51 PM   #132 
                                               - Then look at this:  jenmito   Mar-29-10 06:23 PM   #144 
                                               - What do these acts have to do with ongoing occupations by our combat troops? eom  ShortnFiery   Mar-30-10 01:40 AM   #158 
                                               - You asked, "Tell me IN WHAT WAYS President Obama is a Progressive?" I showed you. n/t  jenmito   Mar-30-10 10:40 AM   #163 
                    - i certainly won't make that mistake again  frylock   Mar-29-10 11:47 AM   #60 
                       - Yeah. Better to elect a war-monger who wants to take over the world.  jenmito   Mar-29-10 12:14 PM   #74 
                          - and therein lies the dilemma, right?  frylock   Mar-29-10 12:25 PM   #76 
                             - No...  jenmito   Mar-29-10 12:57 PM   #90 
                                - i've been speaking out since 2001!  frylock   Mar-29-10 01:43 PM   #94 
                 - Not the average citizens  harkadog   Mar-29-10 04:35 PM   #139 
                    - We're not the only ones.  Robb   Mar-29-10 08:14 PM   #149 
  - So now he shouldn't visit the troops he commands?  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Mar-29-10 09:45 AM   #2 
  - That's not how I read it.  tekisui   Mar-29-10 09:48 AM   #4 
     - that's not how you want to read it  Teaser   Mar-29-10 10:41 AM   #26 
        - I read what the article says.  tekisui   Mar-29-10 10:46 AM   #27 
  - "It's why we're improving care for our wounded warriors,  LibDemAlways   Mar-29-10 09:47 AM   #3 
  - If I was in the military I would want to hear that the President gives a damn about  Jennicut   Mar-29-10 09:53 AM   #5 
  - Yea because until he said that, the troops had NO idea there was any risk of that.  phleshdef   Mar-29-10 09:57 AM   #7 
  - His words made NO connection between PTSD treatment and "pursuit of dreams".  phleshdef   Mar-29-10 09:56 AM   #6 
  - Are you saying that those with PTSD clearly aren't  tekisui   Mar-29-10 10:00 AM   #8 
  - If you and the author want to continue to willfully lack comprehension skills, be my guest.  phleshdef   Mar-29-10 10:03 AM   #9 
     - Let me help you:  tekisui   Mar-29-10 10:08 AM   #10 
        - I need no other reason. The author LIED.  phleshdef   Mar-29-10 10:11 AM   #11 
           - He did not lie, you are full of shit.  tekisui   Mar-29-10 10:15 AM   #12 
              - It IS a lie - one that you obviously like and want to further. Here's the relevant portion:  DevonRex   Mar-29-10 10:24 AM   #15 
              - Wait. Do wounded soldiers, with PTSD not qualify for the  tekisui   Mar-29-10 10:28 AM   #17 
                 - Oh good grief. That reply is too silly for words. nt  DevonRex   Mar-29-10 10:34 AM   #20 
                    - As is your attempt to dismiss the entire article over  tekisui   Mar-29-10 10:35 AM   #22 
                       - I generally DO dismiss what's said by liars. nt  DevonRex   Mar-29-10 10:48 AM   #30 
                          - You can't point to the lie.  tekisui   Mar-29-10 10:51 AM   #33 
              - "The govt will help veterans with PTSD and traumatic brain injuries to pursue their dreams."  phleshdef   Mar-29-10 11:36 AM   #51 
                 - So we aren't going to help those with PTSD  tekisui   Mar-29-10 11:48 AM   #61 
                    - There is a point where a sensible person would stop digging.  Robb   Mar-29-10 11:52 AM   #65 
                       - Robb, you're on a roll.  DevonRex   Mar-29-10 11:53 AM   #66 
                       - No one has shown a lie, but keep claiming it is there.  tekisui   Mar-29-10 11:54 AM   #67 
                          - ...  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 03:29 PM   #120 
                          - I have shown you two lies. Only one was the OPs.  Robb   Mar-29-10 03:30 PM   #121 
                             - No you haven't.  tekisui   Mar-29-10 03:38 PM   #126 
  - I agree with you. The author lied so the article is trash. And flame-bait. nt  DevonRex   Mar-29-10 10:19 AM   #13 
     - Where is the lie?  tekisui   Mar-29-10 10:22 AM   #14 
        - I told you above. But here it is again.  DevonRex   Mar-29-10 10:26 AM   #16 
           - The GI Bill helps WHOM?  tekisui   Mar-29-10 10:29 AM   #19 
              - Silly. But obviously not beneath you. nt  DevonRex   Mar-29-10 10:34 AM   #21 
              - Are you trying to guilt me or something?  tekisui   Mar-29-10 10:36 AM   #23 
                 - Look who's talking.  Robb   Mar-29-10 10:40 AM   #25 
                 - What are you trying to say, Robb?  tekisui   Mar-29-10 10:46 AM   #29 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-29-10 11:09 AM   #37 
              - Clearly the GI bill helps the VA budget.  Robb   Mar-29-10 10:46 AM   #28 
                 - Well done, Robb.  DevonRex   Mar-29-10 10:49 AM   #31 
                 - Can you tell me who was being addressed in the  tekisui   Mar-29-10 10:54 AM   #34 
                 - First off, that wasn't the quote in question.  tekisui   Mar-29-10 10:51 AM   #32 
  - As on against that war, I knew it was a boilerplate speech to rally the troops  zulchzulu   Mar-29-10 11:19 AM   #40 
  - That's not what Karzai's saying today  BeyondGeography   Mar-29-10 11:41 AM   #53 
  - Karzai will say and do what WE tell him.  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 11:47 AM   #59 
  - K&R  Moochy   Mar-29-10 11:48 AM   #62 
  - MUST WATCH: "The Secret Government" (Moyers chilling doc about the war machine)  polichick   Mar-29-10 11:59 AM   #68 
  - Hey polichik!  DevonRex   Mar-29-10 12:05 PM   #70 
     - This piece was done in the late 80s following the Iran Contra hearings...  polichick   Mar-29-10 12:50 PM   #86 
  - well...  greencharlie   Mar-29-10 12:29 PM   #77 
  - No, it didn' was written by President Obama and if  Cha   Mar-29-10 02:10 PM   #99 
  - Good for President Obama going to Afghanistan  Cha   Mar-29-10 12:29 PM   #78 
  - Clarity of the mission?  greencharlie   Mar-29-10 12:35 PM   #79 
  - Why does it have to be a pro-war pep rally merely because he went to see them?  treestar   Mar-29-10 12:36 PM   #80 
  - It doesn't have to be, but what he said made it so.  tekisui   Mar-29-10 12:37 PM   #81 
  - Out of curiosity, other than "we're leaving now", what do you think he should have said?  Hippo_Tron   Mar-29-10 12:46 PM   #84 
     - He would have had to speak in contradiction to his actions.  tekisui   Mar-29-10 01:12 PM   #93 
  - judging by what was SAID there. nt  greencharlie   Mar-29-10 12:37 PM   #82 
  - It's pro reality rally..  Cha   Mar-29-10 12:45 PM   #83 
  - If you are against this war so be it. I am and I think this notion that the  Jennicut   Mar-29-10 12:51 PM   #87 
  - Exactly. The combination of 2 separate sentences as if they were one  DevonRex   Mar-29-10 12:54 PM   #88 
     - Hey!  Jennicut   Mar-29-10 01:12 PM   #92 
  - Yes.....because we should be clear  Jeff In Milwaukee   Mar-29-10 12:56 PM   #89 
  - How many Americans should die for the Islamic republic we've set up in Afghanistan?  grahamhgreen   Mar-29-10 01:05 PM   #91 
  - How many Afghans should die because the US didn't fix what they broke? n/t  Bodhi BloodWave   Mar-29-10 07:40 PM   #148 
     - We ARE the problem, like a parent who's beating a child, it's time for us to go.  grahamhgreen   Mar-29-10 08:43 PM   #154 
  - In related "all war is bad" news: Pres. Abraham Lincoln gave "pro-war pep rally" at Gettysberg, PA  ClarkUSA   Mar-29-10 01:56 PM   #95 
  - Compare an unjust invasion and occupation of a country across the globe to us WITH our civil war?  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 02:08 PM   #98 
  - Pursuing Al-Qaida and its allies -- after BushCo took their eye off the ball -- is "unjust"?  ClarkUSA   Mar-29-10 02:29 PM   #102 
     - Eye off the ball? Check! But now we have chased out al Qaeda and it's time to  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 03:01 PM   #111 
     - What is the intel that states "we have chased out al Qaeda" in AfPak?  ClarkUSA   Mar-29-10 07:09 PM   #147 
     - Not at all unjust..just a way for  Cha   Mar-29-10 03:11 PM   #114 
        - LOL  Robb   Mar-29-10 03:32 PM   #124 
        - Yes, we don't know squat.  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 03:40 PM   #127 
        - Some of us were.  Robb   Mar-29-10 03:46 PM   #129 
           - No, nice guess but no cigar.  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 03:58 PM   #134 
              - Let's just say you're implying you were born in Afghanistan or Pakistan  Robb   Mar-29-10 04:03 PM   #135 
                 - No, I was saying that I was ...  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 04:35 PM   #138 
        - Exactly and the President is no  Cha   Mar-29-10 03:44 PM   #128 
           - Yes, Important decisions that include Killing and Dying for an UNJUST Cause.  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 03:49 PM   #130 
        - Oh stop with that drivel. Many of us like Candidate Obama A LOT. To include waiting  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 03:34 PM   #125 
  - I just read that President Obama's speech sounded like  Cha   Mar-29-10 02:11 PM   #100 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-29-10 02:37 PM   #104 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-29-10 03:03 PM   #112 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-29-10 03:13 PM   #115 
  - Yay, War!!!!  Common Sense Party   Mar-29-10 03:31 PM   #122 
  - That's trite and has nothing to do with reality.  Cha   Mar-29-10 03:51 PM   #131 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-29-10 03:54 PM   #133 
     - Truth hurts.  Common Sense Party   Mar-29-10 04:22 PM   #137 
        - Actually the truth feels pretty damn good.  phleshdef   Mar-29-10 04:39 PM   #140 
        - When do you deploy for that first Recon Patrol out in Enemy Territory?  ShortnFiery   Mar-29-10 04:42 PM   #141 
        - You think the families of the 1,000 dead US servicemembers  tekisui   Mar-29-10 05:22 PM   #142 
        - Doesn't it phlesh!  Cha   Mar-29-10 06:27 PM   #146 
           - Extremists?  tekisui   Mar-29-10 08:21 PM   #150 
        - It doesn't hurt me but that doesn't make your  Cha   Mar-29-10 06:26 PM   #145 
        - Whatever infection DU's hawks have  spoony   Mar-29-10 09:35 PM   #155 
           - Who told you to put the balm on? I didn't tell you to put the balm on!  Forkboy   Mar-30-10 01:52 AM   #160 
  - Bush and now Obama feel good about troops under their command dying for naught in Afghanistan.  jody   Mar-29-10 08:41 PM   #153 
  - I really wish the current President would pull out the troops out of  akbacchus_BC   Mar-29-10 09:52 PM   #156 
  - It wasn't a pep rally for the troops  jeanpalmer   Mar-30-10 01:39 AM   #157 
  - Hey, the dead are by the hands of a Democrat....lighten up!  Forkboy   Mar-30-10 01:54 AM   #161 
  - The message was also directed at Europe  jeanpalmer   Mar-30-10 02:53 AM   #162 

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