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44. That is my feeling also. When Obama initially used the words "Cost Containment" I thought he meant
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 06:03 PM by truedelphi
He was concerned about the inflated prices that all the various segments of the Big Medical Interests charge us for.

But it turned out he was only referring to the monies that the Fed government allocates to this problem, and how those expenses will be paid.

And as that turns out, in part the monies will come from a major slash of MediCare "waste,' including monies to pay doctors. Doctors are already fleeing from treating geriatric patients - this will make it even harder to find doctors if you are on MediCare and do not have supplemental "boutique" coverage.

And no one at the Federal or Congressional level (except those who recently voted in the House for a public option) give a hound's tooth about the inflated costs that we consumers bear.

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  -Section 2718 - Called the "Golden Bullet" of HCR - Do you know what it means? If not, read here! FrenchieCat  Mar-14-10 12:51 AM   #0 
  - So, therefore, consider the following scenario.  4lbs   Mar-14-10 01:58 AM   #1 
  - Whoa!  FrenchieCat   Mar-14-10 03:14 AM   #3 
  - Where do construction costs of facilities, where do salaries  truedelphi   Mar-14-10 05:19 AM   #11 
     - I was trying to present the simplest scenario. If you want to make it more complex and compute all  4lbs   Mar-14-10 10:47 AM   #18 
     - Here is what the "Golden Bullet" doesn't protect against  AllentownJake   Mar-14-10 11:18 AM   #27 
        - That is my feeling also. When Obama initially used the words "Cost Containment" I thought he meant  truedelphi   Mar-14-10 06:03 PM   #44 
     - Those Expenditures Are Considered Administrative Overhead  Beetwasher   Mar-14-10 10:55 AM   #20 
        - Correct, and there is an accounting clause, that spells out  FrenchieCat   Mar-14-10 04:43 PM   #39 
  - That must be wha 'reporters' meant when they talked about  napi21   Mar-14-10 03:06 AM   #2 
  - Thats supposed to be a "good" ratio?  Oregone   Mar-14-10 03:44 AM   #4 
  - medical loss ratio  FrenchieCat   Mar-14-10 03:56 AM   #5 
     - Yes, and I never said otherwise, but how does that help you in the end?  Oregone   Mar-14-10 04:13 AM   #6 
        - If rates are raised to that extent,  FrenchieCat   Mar-14-10 04:30 AM   #7 
           - So is it a "golden bullet" or not?  Oregone   Mar-14-10 04:37 AM   #8 
              - I don't get you.....  FrenchieCat   Mar-14-10 04:41 AM   #9 
              - Well, you're either with us or against us  Oregone   Mar-14-10 12:56 PM   #33 
                 - Sadly you don't realize you speak in the same manner.  vaberella   Mar-14-10 05:46 PM   #42 
                    - Not a bit at all  Oregone   Mar-14-10 06:03 PM   #45 
              - "I think before it is drastically improved, it could be totally revoked. "  cornermouse   Mar-14-10 04:56 AM   #10 
  - This provision doesn't eliminate the profit motive, it merely changes the game they will play.  eomer   Mar-14-10 07:33 AM   #12 
  - Oh well then, lets hang it up and not regulate anything ever.  phleshdef   Mar-14-10 11:02 AM   #23 
  - No, let's not.  eomer   Mar-14-10 07:58 PM   #48 
  - Mostly they will get around it by juggling certain items around to classify as expenses  laughingliberal   Mar-14-10 11:04 AM   #24 
     - (a) CLEAR ACCOUNTING FOR COSTS.  FrenchieCat   Mar-14-10 02:36 PM   #38 
        - They seem to think they're safe  laughingliberal   Mar-14-10 11:47 PM   #49 
  - b-b-but  CTLawGuy   Mar-14-10 09:17 AM   #13 
  - How else are you going to  cornermouse   Mar-14-10 10:01 AM   #16 
     - irrational;  CTLawGuy   Mar-14-10 11:52 AM   #31 
        - Your own words, not mine.  cornermouse   Mar-14-10 12:37 PM   #32 
  - Wow  november3rd   Mar-14-10 09:25 AM   #14 
  - In other words, they're guaranteed 15%?  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-14-10 09:30 AM   #15 
  - 20 years ago the usual MLR was over 90% without a law, over 95% in some cases  laughingliberal   Mar-14-10 10:57 AM   #21 
  - 15% of what?  Oregone   Mar-14-10 01:00 PM   #34 
  - Yeah,, more with clever manipulation of 'expenses.'  laughingliberal   Mar-15-10 12:25 AM   #50 
  - Well yes that would be a lot, but I suspect all other overhead expenses  Fla Dem   Mar-15-10 07:31 AM   #54 
  - Would you address this caveat, Frenchie?  hulka38   Mar-14-10 10:43 AM   #17 
  - DHHS Secretary, Currently Sebelius  Beetwasher   Mar-14-10 10:54 AM   #19 
  - Thank you.  hulka38   Mar-14-10 01:00 PM   #35 
  - This is a loophole which might be somewhat mitigated if the House version of the exchanges  laughingliberal   Mar-14-10 11:01 AM   #22 
  - There is no House version of anything! The House is being ordered to pass the Senate bill  IndianaGreen   Mar-14-10 11:05 AM   #25 
     - I understand that  laughingliberal   Mar-14-10 11:29 AM   #28 
        - If you want real change, you will have to throw the entire political class out of power  IndianaGreen   Mar-14-10 11:36 AM   #29 
  - The key is that is from section (ii) with respect.....offering coverage in the small group market  FrenchieCat   Mar-14-10 01:47 PM   #36 
  - So when my doctor or pharma company or hospital raises their rates  AllentownJake   Mar-14-10 11:05 AM   #26 
  - but you get covered if you have a pre-existing condition...  IndianaGreen   Mar-14-10 11:38 AM   #30 
  - Yeah? You think that what the Anthem Blue Cross increase wasn't noticed?  FrenchieCat   Mar-14-10 01:54 PM   #37 
     - I'm pretty much done with playing nice with corporatist  AllentownJake   Mar-14-10 05:12 PM   #40 
        - This isn't about you.  FrenchieCat   Mar-14-10 06:12 PM   #46 
  - Great bill.  joe black   Mar-14-10 05:38 PM   #41 
  - You're being silly. Subsidies are provided for those who can't afford.  vaberella   Mar-14-10 05:50 PM   #43 
  - Frenchie is on fire today!!! Way to go and thanks.  Change Happens   Mar-14-10 07:48 PM   #47 
  - Do you have an official link for the MLR?  jeanpalmer   Mar-15-10 03:01 AM   #51 
  - if this is as you describe it, you can be sure that one of two things will happen . . .  OneBlueSky   Mar-15-10 04:23 AM   #52 
     - Too many lives are at stake not to enact HCR.....  FrenchieCat   Mar-15-10 04:35 AM   #53 
        - I'm all for enacting HCR . . . but the pending bills are more insurance company largesse . . .  OneBlueSky   Mar-15-10 10:47 AM   #55 
           - You are advocating the exact same thing that the Republicans are.....  FrenchieCat   Mar-15-10 11:31 AM   #56 

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