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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 11:35 PM
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8. Some people are
expecting Democrats to create policy based on misinformation. That's why they're at a loss for why everyone from Al Franken to Bernie Sanders in the Senate and Alan Grayson to Anthony Weiner in the House support the bill.

The facts are clear.

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  -Excellent side-by-side comparison of the health bills ProSense  Mar-12-10 10:48 PM   #0 
  - Who's afraid of the facts? Democrats? n/t  ProSense   Mar-12-10 11:22 PM   #1 
  - thanky! NT  Clio the Leo   Mar-12-10 11:24 PM   #2 
  - that subsidies are needed indicates that the premiums are too high.  nightrain   Mar-12-10 11:25 PM   #3 
  - Those premiums are significantly lower than current premiums.  ProSense   Mar-12-10 11:28 PM   #4 
     - still unaffordable.  nightrain   Mar-12-10 11:29 PM   #5 
        - It will never be free. n/t  ProSense   Mar-12-10 11:31 PM   #6 
           - not looking for free, looking for affordable.  nightrain   Mar-12-10 11:35 PM   #9 
              - There will be various ways that Americans enduring hardships will benefit.  ProSense   Mar-12-10 11:42 PM   #12 
                 - unaffordable for middle income people. Terrible policy to transfer  nightrain   Mar-12-10 11:46 PM   #15 
                    - Ummm, this is what we have now, but without subsidies!  HughMoran   Mar-12-10 11:48 PM   #17 
                    - My employer provides for (crap) insurance, I won't get a subsidy...  Cleobulus   Mar-12-10 11:55 PM   #24 
                    - can't use the exchanges?  HughMoran   Mar-12-10 11:59 PM   #27 
                       - I used the subsidy calculator...  Cleobulus   Mar-13-10 12:04 AM   #28 
                          - The chart in the OP reflects the information from the calculator  ProSense   Mar-13-10 12:07 AM   #29 
                          - I don't qualify for a subsidy either  HughMoran   Mar-13-10 12:09 AM   #30 
                    - for those middle income people who buy their own insurance  nightrain   Mar-13-10 12:25 AM   #37 
                    - Really,  ProSense   Mar-12-10 11:52 PM   #19 
                    - My small business is charged $36,000/year for a family plan  HughMoran   Mar-12-10 11:52 PM   #20 
  - Thanks or sharing. Apparently even easy to read charts provide facts the miserable rotten haters  HughMoran   Mar-12-10 11:32 PM   #7 
  - Some people are  ProSense   Mar-12-10 11:35 PM   #8 
  - spewing....  nightrain   Mar-12-10 11:36 PM   #10 
     - Should I do the Heimlich maneuver?  HughMoran   Mar-12-10 11:38 PM   #11 
        - clarification-- your post is spewing  nightrain   Mar-12-10 11:44 PM   #13 
           - Oh, shit! I misunderstood. I hope my post doesn't create a tsunami when it fully erupts!  HughMoran   Mar-12-10 11:45 PM   #14 
              - your projection onto others is quite massive.  nightrain   Mar-12-10 11:48 PM   #16 
                 - I do have a large projector  HughMoran   Mar-12-10 11:49 PM   #18 
  - what about the Grayson Medicare Bill comparison  WillYourVoteBCounted   Mar-12-10 11:52 PM   #21 
  - Let's hope so  HughMoran   Mar-12-10 11:54 PM   #23 
  - Not at all. Since Grayson's Medicare Bill is in conjunction with the others.  vaberella   Mar-13-10 03:13 AM   #58 
  - Medicare costs are about $10,000 per enrollee.  bornskeptic   Mar-13-10 06:29 AM   #59 
  - From reading the articles this applies to those who get insurance through the exchange...  Cleobulus   Mar-12-10 11:54 PM   #22 
  - there are plenty of implications to be drawn  Supersedeas   Mar-17-10 11:29 AM   #72 
  - Look at all the subsidies  zalinda   Mar-12-10 11:57 PM   #25 
  - The subsidies aren't even the problem I want to be able to CHOOSE to get on the exchange...  Cleobulus   Mar-12-10 11:59 PM   #26 
     - Solution:  ProSense   Mar-13-10 12:10 AM   #31 
        - What is the affordability exemption and how do you qualify...  Cleobulus   Mar-13-10 12:13 AM   #32 
           - It will be based on several factors, but  ProSense   Mar-13-10 12:17 AM   #33 
              - I saw 9.8% and 12% respectively on the subsidy calculator...  Cleobulus   Mar-13-10 12:19 AM   #34 
              - No:  ProSense   Mar-13-10 12:29 AM   #38 
              - so, what do those exempt get out of this "reform"??  nightrain   Mar-13-10 12:20 AM   #35 
              - A lot more than they get under the current system  ProSense   Mar-13-10 12:33 AM   #40 
                 - no. If the cost of the premium is too high of a percentage of  nightrain   Mar-13-10 12:35 AM   #41 
                    - You don't know what you're talking about  ProSense   Mar-13-10 12:38 AM   #44 
                       - the premiums are unaffordable, the voucher is essentially worthless  nightrain   Mar-13-10 12:41 AM   #45 
                       - Pure nonsense.  ProSense   Mar-13-10 12:50 AM   #47 
                          - I'm not being obtuse. I think you're not willing to see the problems  nightrain   Mar-13-10 12:57 AM   #49 
                             - No, it just that some people are so locked into misinformation they can't see  ProSense   Mar-13-10 01:04 AM   #51 
                             - Premiums would not be lower under Grayson's plan.  bornskeptic   Mar-13-10 06:53 AM   #60 
                       - The waiver in the individual market allows you to get an insurance with a lower actuarial market  Mass   Mar-16-10 10:27 PM   #71 
              - Wait a second, I don't want to opt out of the mandate, I want to choose a subsidized plan...  Cleobulus   Mar-13-10 12:22 AM   #36 
                 - Opt out of the mandate?  ProSense   Mar-13-10 12:31 AM   #39 
                    - No you said I would opt out of the mandate and not be penalized...  Cleobulus   Mar-13-10 01:39 AM   #52 
  - an Insurance Company (Gold Rush!) -- Lots of Subsidies.  denimgirly   Mar-13-10 12:36 AM   #42 
  - Read the fine print  Nite Owl   Mar-13-10 12:38 AM   #43 
  - For Medicare  ProSense   Mar-13-10 12:47 AM   #46 
  - But the subsidies only cover  Nite Owl   Mar-13-10 02:01 AM   #54 
     - This is inaccurate.  ProSense   Mar-13-10 02:27 AM   #56 
        - if we could only pick which diseases/conditions we were to get, then  nightrain   Mar-13-10 07:23 AM   #61 
           - Again with the flawed arguments.  ProSense   Mar-13-10 12:11 PM   #64 
              - LOL. It's extremely doubtful that the current bill will actually touch the disease  nightrain   Mar-13-10 07:39 PM   #67 
  - great plans, huh? Scrape up the money for the premiums, then  nightrain   Mar-13-10 12:50 AM   #48 
  - It's a big fat gift  Nite Owl   Mar-13-10 02:09 AM   #55 
  - Will the Government subsidize the 30% because I sure as hell can't afford to pay that.  Cleobulus   Mar-13-10 01:03 AM   #50 
     - The subsidies are for  Nite Owl   Mar-13-10 01:52 AM   #53 
        - So you probably prefer Medicare, which has no out-of-pocket max.  bornskeptic   Mar-13-10 07:56 AM   #62 
           - That may be true now  zalinda   Mar-13-10 12:00 PM   #63 
           - "they will be able to decide on fees and caps and out of pocket expenses." Nonsense  ProSense   Mar-13-10 12:14 PM   #65 
           - No policy could be sold on an exchange without approval from HHS,  bornskeptic   Mar-13-10 01:34 PM   #66 
           - I have a condition that requires surgery, I'll hit that max immediately upon trying to get...  Cleobulus   Mar-16-10 10:09 PM   #69 
  - The link to the site is great. Worth a rec. n/t  vaberella   Mar-13-10 02:45 AM   #57 
  - Why compare with the House bill? Its DEAD!  robinblue   Mar-16-10 10:00 PM   #68 
  - Otherwise said, don[t get old.(why do we see the House plan. It is dead).  Mass   Mar-16-10 10:24 PM   #70 

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