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Sat Mar-13-10 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #72 |
| 75. Here is my problem with Kucinich |
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1) He is ineffective. He has never produced meaningful legislation.
2) He is unable to forge coalition.
3) He is unwilling to accept plurality of opinion.
4) He does not represent the desires of his constituents and instead crusades on national pet issues.
5) He pursues a set of interests that are certain to fail and regularly changes his position if it appears as though something is going to succeed. Success is the enemy because it is all part of a grand conspiracy.
Here is my problem with Kucinich supporters.
1) They are intellectually inconsistent. They will grant Kucinich forgiveness for changing his positions on abortion but not Kerry or Edwards or Clinton for changing their positions. They ignore Obama's consistent voice in favor of the Iraq War, but laud Kucinich's.
2) They ignore actions of their candidate and conflate rhetoric with ability.
3) They will complain about "Democrats in Name Only" because they demand compromise, but won't call foul when Kucinich votes hard line with the Republicans on EVERY issue just because he says it doesn't go far enough.
4) They call him Dennis, which screams cult to me.
I want my Democrats loyal. I want the party to fight for their President, and pass legislation. We have a hostile media and a horribly weak caucus. We need health care because I know people that are dying, and this is about PEOPLE not insurance companies. I don't want to punish insurance for being evil, I want to insure 40 million of the poorest americans.
Let the bill grow over time, but lets accept a small victory over... nothing?
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| -The Case Against Kucinich |
wyldwolf |
Mar-11-10 07:11 PM |
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This is not a case against DK, this is a case against the other Democrats in office. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Mar-11-10 07:18 PM |
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+1 |
Orsino |
Mar-14-10 03:40 PM |
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This is why "Kucinich stands with Kucinich" as Lynn Woolsey said... |
jenmito |
Mar-11-10 07:20 PM |
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Kucinich prefers to sit at the back of class and throw spit wads |
DrToast |
Mar-11-10 07:26 PM |
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The case against the pro-corporatist, pro-war wing of the Democratic Party |
IndianaGreen |
Mar-11-10 07:38 PM |
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What does corporatist mean? |
mr715 |
Mar-11-10 07:39 PM |
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Capitalism is NOT free market. It is monopoly! |
IndianaGreen |
Mar-11-10 07:46 PM |
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Well, no. |
mr715 |
Mar-11-10 07:54 PM |
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Our "Founding Fathers" |
h9socialist |
Mar-12-10 07:51 AM |
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you have a funny definition of capitalism. if properly regulated, it's a great system. |
dionysus |
Mar-12-10 08:04 AM |
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It's a catch-all gobbledygook word for "anybody who supports American capitalism" |
HughMoran |
Mar-11-10 07:52 PM |
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Well no, the meaning is quite obvious. Consider health care reform. |
Warren Stupidity |
Mar-11-10 09:25 PM |
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"The corruption is manifest. Denying the obvious is delusional." |
HughMoran |
Mar-11-10 09:47 PM |
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about as deep as pop-tart heads |
ibegurpard |
Mar-11-10 09:54 PM |
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At least I am funny |
HughMoran |
Mar-11-10 09:57 PM |
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but you're not |
ibegurpard |
Mar-11-10 10:02 PM |
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I laughed when I posted it |
HughMoran |
Mar-11-10 10:05 PM |
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I laughed at it. |
suzie |
Mar-13-10 08:15 PM |
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i think he's got a good sense of humor. |
dionysus |
Mar-12-10 08:05 AM |
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you've got nothing. |
Warren Stupidity |
Mar-11-10 10:23 PM |
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heh |
HughMoran |
Mar-11-10 10:24 PM |
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Deep and true. nt |
Enthusiast |
Mar-12-10 04:32 AM |
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you corporowhore bankster kubuki theaterist you! did i get all the annoying catch phrases? |
dionysus |
Mar-12-10 08:05 AM |
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Pseudo-revolutionary catch phrases are bourgeois |
boppers |
Mar-13-10 11:54 PM |
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It means that whoever's using it has no appreciation of history. |
nemo137 |
Mar-11-10 11:16 PM |
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A corporatist votes |
Enthusiast |
Mar-12-10 04:31 AM |
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Kucinich voted against his constituents. |
mr715 |
Mar-12-10 07:13 AM |
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That is quite a stretch. |
Enthusiast |
Mar-12-10 07:31 AM |
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he is a reliable "no" vote on everything. how helpful. |
dionysus |
Mar-12-10 08:07 AM |
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I don't know but I know it's |
CTLawGuy |
Mar-12-10 06:06 AM |
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Kucinich is nothing more than an ineffective gadfly |
Cali_Democrat |
Mar-11-10 09:25 PM |
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The bill to improve the nation's infrastructure would help people... |
slipslidingaway |
Mar-11-10 09:44 PM |
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Dupe |
Sebastian Doyle |
Mar-11-10 09:42 PM |
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And they'll be back :( n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Mar-11-10 09:45 PM |
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The Obama bashing threads have taken over since he was inaugurated. n/t |
Cali_Democrat |
Mar-11-10 09:55 PM |
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LOL who is the leader??? And there are many threads that |
slipslidingaway |
Mar-11-10 10:05 PM |
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oh, so the obama bashing threads are okay because he's the leader? that's a new one. |
dionysus |
Mar-12-10 08:09 AM |
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No but threads critical of Obama are to be expected after the election since |
slipslidingaway |
Mar-12-10 02:58 PM |
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Criticizing is one thing. But it goes far beyond that here. And Skinner made it clear: |
JTFrog |
Mar-15-10 07:21 AM |
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Good! I'm glad someone is calling him out |
Cha |
Mar-11-10 09:47 PM |
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That is just bullshit and if anyone actually listened to what he said |
slipslidingaway |
Mar-11-10 10:01 PM |
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Dennis has never voted "with Republicans" |
jeanpalmer |
Mar-12-10 02:49 AM |
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pssst, when he votes "no" on everything and the republicans vote "no" on everything, |
dionysus |
Mar-12-10 08:10 AM |
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Markos Moulitsas is dead to me. nt |
Enthusiast |
Mar-12-10 04:36 AM |
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you're a bit late |
ibegurpard |
Mar-11-10 09:53 PM |
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Right on time, wyldwolf. |
Cha |
Mar-11-10 10:04 PM |
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LEAVE DENNIS ALONE! |
SoxFan |
Mar-11-10 10:17 PM |
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.. |
Cha |
Mar-11-10 10:40 PM |
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Mar-11-10 10:05 PM |
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I think everyone on DU needs to get over Kucinich and move on. Do we even need his vote to pass HCR? |
Jennicut |
Mar-11-10 10:15 PM |
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Maybe that dipshit Moulitsas should expand his horizons to see WHY |
flvegan |
Mar-11-10 10:36 PM |
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What flvegan Said |
Dinger |
Mar-11-10 10:39 PM |
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It is simple. |
mr715 |
Mar-11-10 10:47 PM |
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Unlike the Clinton impeachment |
Enthusiast |
Mar-12-10 04:40 AM |
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Show me any evidence where Kucinich has been successful as a legislator |
zulchzulu |
Mar-11-10 10:57 PM |
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Mar-12-10 12:40 AM |
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Okay, name him or her. |
flvegan |
Mar-12-10 01:04 AM |
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Kucinich is on record wanting to ban all handguns in the US... imagine Democrats following that... |
zulchzulu |
Mar-11-10 10:42 PM |
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Department of Peace |
mr715 |
Mar-11-10 10:49 PM |
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Some of us think that his work passing legislation on the Ukranian Museum was worth |
grantcart |
Mar-12-10 12:08 AM |
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You better watch out with the having sex with the Monrovians. |
cliffordu |
Mar-12-10 12:23 AM |
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Fuck alienation. |
Cha |
Mar-12-10 01:41 PM |
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One Dem stands on principle and the left base trashes him. |
Grand Taurean |
Mar-12-10 01:05 AM |
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One dem? uh no |
cali |
Mar-12-10 03:58 AM |
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This isn't the left base that is trashing him. |
freddie mertz |
Mar-12-10 07:14 AM |
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If there's only one Dem who stands on principal |
HughMoran |
Mar-12-10 07:29 AM |
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The left is not trashing here. Our DU right is loading the pig pile. |
Warren Stupidity |
Mar-12-10 10:39 AM |
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If that makes Kucininch a bad congressman |
austin78704 |
Mar-12-10 07:32 AM |
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Look at his SPEECHES? |
mr715 |
Mar-12-10 12:34 PM |
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But he's right. |
austin78704 |
Mar-13-10 06:58 AM |
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He was wrong about abortion. |
mr715 |
Mar-13-10 02:01 PM |
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You and I see things differently |
austin78704 |
Mar-13-10 07:24 PM |
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Here is my problem with Kucinich |
mr715 |
Mar-13-10 10:18 PM |
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Bingo! |
goclark |
Mar-13-10 10:49 PM |
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Let me also add, |
mr715 |
Mar-13-10 11:23 PM |
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Mar-13-10 07:56 PM |
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The beatings will continue until morale improves. |
Forkboy |
Mar-12-10 10:10 AM |
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Ok, so now principles are now a bad thing... |
niceypoo |
Mar-12-10 10:31 AM |
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2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 95% |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-13-10 08:43 AM |
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pardon me, but a list of individual votes on bills doesn't mean anything when there's tons of dems |
dionysus |
Mar-13-10 10:50 PM |
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it does show that this nonsense about not voting with the Democrats or never being pragmatic is |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-13-10 11:06 PM |
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Kucinich's intentions are good, but his uncompromising positions are STUPID ! |
RBInMaine |
Mar-13-10 08:46 AM |
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Yes and bills Kucinich has not sponsored such as funding |
harkadog |
Mar-13-10 11:44 PM |
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Give me a million dollars. |
mr715 |
Mar-13-10 11:58 PM |
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Kick |
Cha |
Mar-14-10 02:57 PM |
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Kick! |
freddie mertz |
Mar-14-10 04:22 PM |
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Mar-15-10 11:06 AM |
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I imagine that a man who... |
LanternWaste |
Mar-15-10 11:55 AM |
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