RaleighNCDUer
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Thu Mar-11-10 02:55 PM
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| 33. The idea of the government fining you for not purchasing something |
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from a private for-profit company doesn't bother you?
How about, the government is worried about the state of the US auto companies. To rectify that, every american old enough to drive will be required to buy an American-made car. Whether you drive or not. And if you do not do so, you will be fined, penalized by the government. Refuse to pay, and it will be turned over to the IRS for collection.
What is the difference here?
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| -The facts about Obama's health care plan |
county worker |
Mar-11-10 01:29 PM |
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You missed out the universal mandates and fines |
Cronus Protagonist |
Mar-11-10 01:31 PM |
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So, what's your point? You can't have reform without mandates and |
impik |
Mar-11-10 01:35 PM |
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Yes, you can |
Cronus Protagonist |
Mar-11-10 01:37 PM |
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you don't understand how risk pools work, do you? |
dionysus |
Mar-11-10 02:19 PM |
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Yeah, we do. |
Hello_Kitty |
Mar-11-10 02:38 PM |
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single payer would be the best choice, unfortunately we'd need to replace more than half the caucus |
dionysus |
Mar-11-10 03:41 PM |
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I understand that |
Hello_Kitty |
Mar-11-10 03:48 PM |
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well it's destined to fail if the risk pool is all people in poor health. thats my concern. |
dionysus |
Mar-11-10 04:02 PM |
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86% of Americans have coverage now. Are they all in poor health? |
Hello_Kitty |
Mar-11-10 04:11 PM |
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i am hoping the regulations in the bill saying that x% of premium $ must be spent on care will |
dionysus |
Mar-11-10 04:20 PM |
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85% MLR seems reasonable to me. |
Hello_Kitty |
Mar-11-10 04:26 PM |
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agreed |
dionysus |
Mar-11-10 05:47 PM |
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Do you? |
Oregone |
Mar-11-10 02:41 PM |
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We most certainly do and you are full of sh*t. |
harun |
Mar-11-10 03:28 PM |
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Yes, it can be done without mandates |
DJ13 |
Mar-11-10 02:13 PM |
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Do you have a problem with food stamps too? |
bornskeptic |
Mar-11-10 05:00 PM |
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At least the Grocery Store provides something for the dollars. |
bvar22 |
Mar-11-10 05:28 PM |
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Without the mandates none of this can happen. |
county worker |
Mar-11-10 01:37 PM |
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Cool. I hope you have a job for me so I can earn the extra cash |
Cronus Protagonist |
Mar-11-10 01:38 PM |
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The fine is so small that you most likely will not buy health insurance. |
county worker |
Mar-11-10 01:43 PM |
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Sounds like that communication didn't land in your universe |
Cronus Protagonist |
Mar-11-10 01:45 PM |
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What will you do if you need serious medical care in the future. |
county worker |
Mar-11-10 01:54 PM |
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Yep the "families" will get most of the subsidies. |
Hello_Kitty |
Mar-11-10 02:41 PM |
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So then whats the difference? |
Egnever |
Mar-11-10 03:07 PM |
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What good is a tax credit a year after you need the money? nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Mar-11-10 02:57 PM |
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The idea of the government fining you for not purchasing something |
RaleighNCDUer |
Mar-11-10 02:55 PM |
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Sure it does |
Egnever |
Mar-11-10 03:09 PM |
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Thanks for the facts, county worker. nt |
Cha |
Mar-11-10 01:31 PM |
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Can't imagine any sane person would choose this over a Public Option or Medicare for All.... |
denimgirly |
Mar-11-10 01:32 PM |
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But today you don't have that choice. |
county worker |
Mar-11-10 01:38 PM |
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Obvious, simple AND NOT ACHIEVABLE IN CONGRESS!!!!!! |
HughMoran |
Mar-11-10 02:15 PM |
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thinking isnt their strong suit |
dionysus |
Mar-11-10 02:20 PM |
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Pushing the propaganda is, however. |
HughMoran |
Mar-11-10 02:22 PM |
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OK, so |
Turbineguy |
Mar-11-10 01:32 PM |
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Those are SOME facts, but they are not THE facts which implys an offering |
Better Today |
Mar-11-10 01:33 PM |
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Bingo. There's a lot of bad. And Simple powerful solutions are purposely Avoided. |
denimgirly |
Mar-11-10 01:38 PM |
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That's true. The most obvious answer to me is single payer next is a |
county worker |
Mar-11-10 01:58 PM |
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Only a novice would look to the price of any given sector on any day & think it meant something |
HughMoran |
Mar-11-10 02:17 PM |
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So you would prefer that we keep things as they are because that is the only other alternative at |
county worker |
Mar-11-10 01:40 PM |
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After weeks now of consideration, if there is no PO or Medicare |
Better Today |
Mar-11-10 02:01 PM |
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After watching Ed last night, you kind of have to be in favor of manslaughter |
HughMoran |
Mar-11-10 02:20 PM |
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Yeah, right, most of it doesn't take effect for years. My response explained my reasoning. |
Better Today |
Mar-11-10 02:23 PM |
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Yeah, because it takes a while to implement - waiting another generation BEFORE EVEN STARTING AGAIN |
HughMoran |
Mar-11-10 02:29 PM |
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I believe I've recently heard Grayson and Kuncinich suggest that |
Better Today |
Mar-11-10 02:33 PM |
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I don't care if they can be implemented quickly, I CARE IF THEY CAN PASS CONGRESS!!! |
HughMoran |
Mar-11-10 02:41 PM |
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Not just for me, but for the country. It isn't as personal as you'd like to make it. |
Better Today |
Mar-11-10 02:57 PM |
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Aww geez, "It isn't personal", but it is about "folks like me" |
HughMoran |
Mar-11-10 03:03 PM |
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Then demand a better bill for everyone RIGHT NOW! Instead of taking your cake |
Better Today |
Mar-11-10 03:04 PM |
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OK, now you've lost me |
HughMoran |
Mar-11-10 03:08 PM |
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You read a lot into others' responses and try to make them personal |
Better Today |
Mar-11-10 03:32 PM |
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yeah, uh, ok bud |
HughMoran |
Mar-11-10 03:35 PM |
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have you emailed your rep and senator to tell them you will vote them out |
RaleighNCDUer |
Mar-11-10 03:06 PM |
#38 |
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I agree with your concept, but the thing is |
Better Today |
Mar-11-10 03:40 PM |
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Then why bother voting at all? |
RaleighNCDUer |
Mar-12-10 09:54 AM |
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You left out some facts....... |
SandWalker1984 |
Mar-11-10 02:10 PM |
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"It may actually cause many Americans to lose their current health insurance." |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-12-10 06:35 PM |
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"It may reduce many seniors' access ... |
Bryn |
Mar-12-10 07:10 PM |
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Indeed, change I can beleive in......nt |
Change Happens |
Mar-11-10 03:08 PM |
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You forgot the part where if you have an insurance plan and you don't like it |
Raineyb |
Mar-11-10 03:09 PM |
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That about sums it up. |
harun |
Mar-11-10 03:29 PM |
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+++++ More good points! |
Better Today |
Mar-11-10 03:34 PM |
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So your alternative is? |
BlueIdaho |
Mar-11-10 03:43 PM |
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They dithered for a year and I'm supposed to give a shit about them being scared to do what's right |
Raineyb |
Mar-12-10 05:16 PM |
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The question is whether its going to be better or worse than status quo. |
Cleobulus |
Mar-12-10 06:24 PM |
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This is a dishonest characterization of the plan. |
freddie mertz |
Mar-11-10 03:54 PM |
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Are you aware the Obama didn't write the bill? |
GeorgeGist |
Mar-11-10 05:45 PM |
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Corrections of your "facts". |
Cleobulus |
Mar-12-10 06:33 PM |
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