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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 08:46 AM
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64. That's a strawman. You are responding to a person who didn't claim racism doesn't exist
It's not whether racism exists or not. It's how much of the hatred stems from racism, and you think a lot of it stems from racism, and some of us think the attacks on Obama are overwhelmingly based on the fact that wingnuts hate Democrats.
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  -The arrogance of being president while being black NJmaverick  Feb-27-10 03:59 PM   #0 
  - It's so fucking obvious......  FrenchieCat   Feb-27-10 04:06 PM   #1 
  - Yes the idea that everyone thinks they are smarter than the President  NJmaverick   Feb-27-10 04:25 PM   #6 
  - They'd like to be smarter than Pres Obama  Cha   Feb-27-10 06:58 PM   #13 
  - Too bad the UCSD incident didn't get this much attention.  saracat   Feb-28-10 02:23 PM   #86 
  - I was thinking about this the other day.  louis-t   Feb-27-10 04:13 PM   #2 
  - Thanks for posting this. There have been a million times I felt like writing the  jenmito   Feb-27-10 04:16 PM   #3 
  - you can't go that far. race aside, he's still a democrat  unblock   Feb-27-10 04:46 PM   #7 
     - I disagree...  jenmito   Feb-27-10 04:49 PM   #8 
        - i certainly don't doubt that there's a large element of racism in those examples  unblock   Feb-27-10 05:07 PM   #9 
           - You're giving me examples of what you think "would have" happened if someone else were president.  jenmito   Feb-27-10 06:31 PM   #11 
              - well, uh -- yeah. the charge of racism MEANS he "would have" been treated differently/better  unblock   Feb-27-10 07:37 PM   #15 
                 - Uh, you said that you thought hypothetical presidents would be treated the  jenmito   Feb-27-10 08:14 PM   #19 
                    - How much time did you spend doing research on the things Bill Clinton was called?  angelicwoman   Feb-27-10 08:19 PM   #20 
                       - None. I went on memory. Why don't you show me examples where he WAS called those things  jenmito   Feb-27-10 08:22 PM   #21 
                          - Worldnetdaily and Ann Coulter called him a rapist  angelicwoman   Feb-27-10 08:32 PM   #22 
                             - You're equating WND, Coulter, and Limbaugh to congressmen??? Please.  jenmito   Feb-27-10 08:38 PM   #23 
                                - So congressmen are racist, but Coulter and Limbaugh aren't?  angelicwoman   Feb-27-10 08:38 PM   #24 
                                   - Where'd you get THAT? I said it's ridiculous to equate Coulter and Limbaugh  jenmito   Feb-27-10 08:41 PM   #25 
                                      - Why did you narrow it down to "congressmen"? The Kos diarist didnt speak about congressmen  angelicwoman   Feb-27-10 08:45 PM   #26 
                                         - You're right. It's done by ALL of the above to Obama, unlike other presidents.  jenmito   Feb-27-10 08:47 PM   #27 
                                            - So at a minimum, you say that the mainstream media doesn't do it because he's black?  angelicwoman   Feb-27-10 08:49 PM   #28 
                                            - I have no idea where you're getting your ideas of what I say. I never said  jenmito   Feb-27-10 08:53 PM   #30 
                                               - You have made no attempt to tell us how the MSM treated Clinton  angelicwoman   Feb-27-10 08:59 PM   #33 
                                                  - Go do the research if you want. That's on you. The examples I gave up-thread are  jenmito   Feb-27-10 09:04 PM   #35 
                                            - Did i mention that hundreds of GOP congressmen voted to impeach Clinton?  angelicwoman   Feb-27-10 08:53 PM   #29 
                                               - Clinton messed around with an intern.....  FrenchieCat   Feb-27-10 08:56 PM   #31 
                                               - So you admit that the intern, as opposed to skin color, was the key here  angelicwoman   Feb-27-10 09:03 PM   #34 
                                                  - I do not believe that there is something "wrong" with being Black....  FrenchieCat   Feb-27-10 09:06 PM   #36 
                                                  - Impeachment up to debate? Did you know what percentage of people was against impeachment?  angelicwoman   Feb-27-10 09:12 PM   #41 
                                                  - Which action  classysassy   Feb-28-10 01:15 AM   #58 
                                               - You are so disconnected from what I'm saying. Voting to impeach Clinton  jenmito   Feb-27-10 08:56 PM   #32 
                                                  - Before Obama was elected, the media treated him better than white Edwards and Hillary  angelicwoman   Feb-27-10 09:06 PM   #37 
                                                  - I'm talking about Repubs. in office openly saying things like Obama & his wife hate America  jenmito   Feb-27-10 09:12 PM   #40 
                                                  - Yeah, that Rev. Wright Incident was like really treating him just simply super duper!  FrenchieCat   Feb-27-10 09:15 PM   #43 
                                                  - Keep going. Mention the fact that Drudge said next to nothing bad about Obama  angelicwoman   Feb-27-10 09:20 PM   #45 
                                                  - Drudge just posted pics of Obama somehow in Muslim Garb  FrenchieCat   Feb-27-10 09:28 PM   #49 
                                                  - Duh. that story dealt a blow to Hillary's campaign.  angelicwoman   Feb-27-10 09:34 PM   #51 
                                                  - Well, they are still calling Obama a Muslim......  FrenchieCat   Feb-27-10 09:35 PM   #52 
                                                  - Maybe, just maybe, because they gain more by trashing the President  angelicwoman   Feb-27-10 09:44 PM   #54 
                                                  - there was a picture of Max Cleland next to Osama Bin Laden in his last Senate race  laughingliberal   Feb-28-10 12:30 PM   #80 
                                                  - Oh BS!  Hansel   Feb-28-10 10:52 AM   #73 
                                                  - Calling for impeachment is nothing compared to what Obama has gone through? lol  angelicwoman   Feb-27-10 09:07 PM   #38 
                                                     - As both Frenchie and I said, Clinton was impeached for a REASON. Obama has been  jenmito   Feb-27-10 09:14 PM   #42 
                                                     - For a very bad reason  angelicwoman   Feb-27-10 09:17 PM   #44 
                                                     - WTH are you talking about? I said it was a REASON, even though not reason  jenmito   Feb-27-10 09:23 PM   #46 
                                                     - Oh yeah, lying about a BJ. Such a valid reason to impeach a President! n/t  angelicwoman   Feb-27-10 09:42 PM   #53 
                                                     - You're Off-Base. No one is defending impeachment......  FrenchieCat   Feb-27-10 09:23 PM   #47 
                                                     - "HE'S NOT DONE ANYTHING TO BE TREATED AS HE HAS BEEN, PERIOD." Amen.  jenmito   Feb-27-10 09:28 PM   #48 
                                                     - I think people who are strongly biased toward Obama pretendn to forget about the past  angelicwoman   Feb-27-10 09:30 PM   #50 
                                                     - ...  Hansel   Feb-28-10 10:58 AM   #74 
  - Indeed!  vincenzoesq   Feb-27-10 04:16 PM   #4 
  - Absolutely! Thanks for articulating what we all know!  MindandSoul   Feb-27-10 04:19 PM   #5 
  - Looking at the pictures of the summit  madamesilverspurs   Feb-27-10 05:25 PM   #10 
  - It's blackwaterdog! Thanks Maverick~  Cha   Feb-27-10 06:51 PM   #12 
  - No matter what, we'll always have racism to blame if things go bad.  timeforpeace   Feb-27-10 07:35 PM   #14 
  - We overplay the race card. Diarist says "all presidents" were treated with respect. Oh yeah?  angelicwoman   Feb-27-10 07:41 PM   #16 
  - My experience has been that people who complain about "overplaying the race card" tend NEVER to  EffieBlack   Feb-27-10 10:11 PM   #55 
     - +1000 n/t  firedupdem   Feb-28-10 12:40 AM   #56 
     - agreed  NJmaverick   Feb-28-10 07:08 AM   #61 
     - Hear, hear!  Empowerer   Feb-28-10 08:16 AM   #62 
     - +1 Thank You!!! nt  CBR   Feb-28-10 08:58 AM   #65 
     - Spot on!  jonestonesusa   Feb-28-10 10:04 AM   #71 
     - Well said!  Raineyb   Feb-28-10 12:25 PM   #78 
     - Thank you, Effie.. I know they disrepspect Dems  Cha   Feb-28-10 02:17 PM   #84 
  - Kick &Recommended!!!  butterfly77   Feb-27-10 07:58 PM   #17 
  - Numerous (and God-awful) typos aside, this is brilliant  Number23   Feb-27-10 08:08 PM   #18 
  - BINGO - Right On the Money  otohara   Feb-27-10 09:10 PM   #39 
  - What's this guy smoking?  Beacool   Feb-28-10 01:01 AM   #57 
  - Funny you bring up Carter  Lilyeye   Feb-28-10 04:08 AM   #59 
  - Do you think all presidents were treated "with the highest respect deserved"?  angelicwoman   Feb-28-10 08:44 AM   #63 
     - Some earned poor treatment  NJmaverick   Feb-28-10 09:40 AM   #68 
  - Your claims that racism doesn't exist are pretty far fetched  NJmaverick   Feb-28-10 07:07 AM   #60 
  - That's a strawman. You are responding to a person who didn't claim racism doesn't exist  angelicwoman   Feb-28-10 08:46 AM   #64 
  - Nope no strawman (perhaps one of the most over used false defenses)  NJmaverick   Feb-28-10 09:34 AM   #67 
     - On a related note. I remember when a DailyKos diarist said Hillary darkened an Obama photo  angelicwoman   Feb-28-10 09:46 AM   #69 
        - You are creating a false logic. There is racism and it hurts Obama  NJmaverick   Feb-28-10 09:52 AM   #70 
           - I appreciate your OP  jonestonesusa   Feb-28-10 10:25 AM   #72 
  - When did I claim that racism doesn't exist?  Beacool   Feb-28-10 07:39 PM   #89 
  - How exactly has Obama had it easier? nt  CBR   Feb-28-10 09:00 AM   #66 
     - Are you serious?  Beacool   Feb-28-10 07:33 PM   #87 
        - Well, when Obama engages in similar behavior then we can compare  CBR   Feb-28-10 07:38 PM   #88 
           - Which behavior?  Beacool   Feb-28-10 07:43 PM   #90 
  - Men should be respected for their actions not words or physical traits.  bjjblackbelt   Feb-28-10 11:37 AM   #75 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-28-10 11:42 AM   #76 
  - What does your post have to do with people calling Obama "arrogant" and disrespecting him  jenmito   Feb-28-10 12:43 PM   #81 
  - You know that's not true.  Beacool   Feb-28-10 07:49 PM   #91 
     - I'm not surprised that you're defending the Repubs. You never defend Obama yet you  jenmito   Feb-28-10 09:00 PM   #95 
     - I'm not defending the Republicans.  Beacool   Feb-28-10 09:31 PM   #96 
        - Obama is the PRESIDENT. McCain is a senator no matter the age difference. You  jenmito   Feb-28-10 09:44 PM   #97 
           - It's not what I think, but how it was perceived.  Beacool   Feb-28-10 10:29 PM   #99 
     - Do you know anything about anything?  Number23   Feb-28-10 10:21 PM   #98 
        - Oh, calm down...........  Beacool   Feb-28-10 10:46 PM   #100 
           - The protocol of the House and Senate are not "democratic" either  Number23   Feb-28-10 10:58 PM   #102 
              - I don't hate him.  Beacool   Feb-28-10 11:30 PM   #103 
                 - If you believeed that man was around during the time of the dinosaurs  Number23   Mar-01-10 12:28 AM   #108 
  - President Obama isn't lying to us so your  Cha   Feb-28-10 02:14 PM   #83 
     - Lies!  bjjblackbelt   Feb-28-10 08:11 PM   #93 
        - Nope, President Obama isn't lying.  Cha   Feb-28-10 11:45 PM   #104 
        - Your concern is noted. Welcome to DU. I hope you like Pizza. n/t  stevenleser   Feb-28-10 11:56 PM   #106 
  - +1  CTLawGuy   Feb-28-10 11:44 AM   #77 
  - Is our hatred of Palin sexist? What about Clinton....Wasn't she  busymom   Feb-28-10 12:27 PM   #79 
  - Nope. It's because she has incited violence with her accusations that Obama  jenmito   Feb-28-10 12:49 PM   #82 
  - Many criticisms against both Palin and Hillary were indeed sexist.  Beacool   Feb-28-10 07:59 PM   #92 
     - To reinforce your point: Dana Milbank and Chris Cillizza called her a "'mean bitch"  angelicwoman   Feb-28-10 10:56 PM   #101 
        - I think that they called her a "Mad Bitch".  Beacool   Feb-28-10 11:52 PM   #105 
  - Wow. the real racism at UCSD is barely commented on and THIS is discussed and recced?  saracat   Feb-28-10 02:20 PM   #85 
  - There are over seven OP's about the racism at UCSD  stevenleser   Mar-01-10 12:13 AM   #107 
     - I have read them.That isn't the point. I congratulate those who posted that story.  saracat   Mar-01-10 01:01 AM   #109 
  - I didn't realize that being black was so important.  warm regards   Feb-28-10 08:25 PM   #94 
  - note how quickly the National Media jumps to Sarah Palin's use of arrogant--as if they were thinking  Supersedeas   Mar-01-10 02:41 PM   #110 
  - He set himself up as the hope and change guy. No more business as usual.  hulka38   Mar-01-10 03:15 PM   #111 

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