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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 03:39 PM
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38. Reid-Nelson language? - No, it is not the Nelson language, it is the Reid language
and they are showing the same stupidity some chapters showed whan they attacked Senator Kennedy because he endorsed Obama.

The fact is the Senate bill has a provision (it was a Kerry provision and it was added) that ensures that the cost for women equals the cost for men and Obama kept it. So, I assume they are speaking of paying extra for abortion insurance, which men do not have to pay. But, the change to gender parity for the rest of the cost ALONE means the total cost for a woman wanting insurance for women is lower than it was before - because that provision lowers the cost more than paying by a second check for abortion would cost.

The comments on PRIVATE insurance ignore that there is a need for two checks only when the government is paying one of them - the bigger one for everything but abortion. People currently on Medicaid do not have abortion funded and they do not have the option of buying this insurance with their own money. So, this is an improvement. For the people who pay all or part of their insurance, their portion can be one check. The point is that the government can not pay for it. That keeps things exactly where it is now with the Hyde amendment.

When 30 million unisured people, including women and children, get insurance, people can't be excluded due to pre-existing conditions and other improvements that abortion is the first thing they mention. As to the age rating, the status quo in some states has a spread of as much as 34 to 1 - this is an improement. As to those on modest incomes, if they are below a threshold, they get subsidies.
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  -White House Health Plan Fails Women "NOW" saracat  Feb-25-10 02:20 PM   #0 
  - Some folks disagreed about the issue of laguage.I guess they also disagree with NOW.  saracat   Feb-25-10 02:26 PM   #1 
  - Yes - they are playing it cute - calling it Reid-Nelson language  karynnj   Feb-25-10 03:54 PM   #42 
     - yeah well. I support NOW because I support women . I don't care about the politicians no matter  saracat   Feb-25-10 04:00 PM   #49 
        - I have been a member of Now  karynnj   Feb-25-10 04:08 PM   #54 
           - I don't trust Senators. They are politicians and will vote and say whatever benefits them.  saracat   Feb-25-10 04:15 PM   #57 
              - But, you trusted John Edwards  karynnj   Feb-25-10 04:22 PM   #60 
                 - And I was wrong on Edwards. But he did have a good message.  saracat   Feb-25-10 04:31 PM   #64 
  - One of many reasons I am against this --  Hell Hath No Fury   Feb-25-10 02:28 PM   #2 
  - What a relief! I was afraid we were going to start treating women like people.  Deep13   Feb-25-10 02:28 PM   #3 
  - Yes. The language is insulting. Women's rights are negotiable and expendable. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-25-10 02:28 PM   #4 
  - Obviously it appears that some both disagree and find the topic  saracat   Feb-25-10 02:31 PM   #5 
  - Sebelius: "Most private plans do not cover abortion services except in limited circumstances.'  flpoljunkie   Feb-25-10 02:34 PM   #6 
  - You are quoting a Pro-Life site from their Christain news? An RW source?  saracat   Feb-25-10 02:38 PM   #8 
  - The quotes from Sebelius are direct. I am a pro-choice, lifetime member of Planned Parenthood.  flpoljunkie   Feb-25-10 02:51 PM   #12 
  - But that is an RW link. And even if she is right , so what?  saracat   Feb-25-10 02:54 PM   #14 
  - As long as Congress clings to the hideous Hyde Amendment, they have the right to deny federal funds  flpoljunkie   Feb-25-10 03:00 PM   #18 
     - In fairness, this is only one reason this bill is crap. What about the age and gender rating as well  saracat   Feb-25-10 03:07 PM   #24 
        - Rates same for both sexes for younger people. I would go with Vermont's 20% more for seniors.  flpoljunkie   Feb-25-10 03:20 PM   #31 
        - The gender provision is in there  karynnj   Feb-25-10 04:00 PM   #47 
  - I believe you, but I do not agree.  saracat   Feb-25-10 03:50 PM   #40 
  - Found another link on Sebelius' comments from the NYT.  flpoljunkie   Feb-25-10 03:37 PM   #37 
  - I don't doubt that she said that but even if that is true, it doesn't make it right. That is my  saracat   Feb-25-10 03:53 PM   #41 
  - It is a quote from teh Secretary of HHS  karynnj   Feb-25-10 03:56 PM   #45 
     - I didn't say she was wrong , though I have no particular reason to believe her. She  saracat   Feb-25-10 04:06 PM   #53 
        - but you believe anonymous members of NOW  karynnj   Feb-25-10 04:23 PM   #61 
           - They don't have anything to gain. And one can always contact  saracat   Feb-25-10 04:33 PM   #65 
              - They have a lot to gain  karynnj   Feb-25-10 06:39 PM   #71 
                 - I didn't say they don't have an agenda. I support their agenda.  saracat   Feb-25-10 07:30 PM   #75 
                    - Otherwise women could just have the abortion and not be subject to a mandate.It would be cheaper.  karynnj   Feb-25-10 09:22 PM   #82 
                       - Same old same old.Of course it isn't the main health care a woman is likely to need. That isn't the  saracat   Feb-26-10 01:10 AM   #85 
  - So, of course the Obama administration will follow private industry's lead. That's their REAL base.  katandmoon   Feb-25-10 02:39 PM   #10 
     - What amazes me is how acceptable some find this. They seriously don't have a problem with women be  saracat   Feb-25-10 02:42 PM   #11 
  - Everyone I know that has had an abortion had to pay for it all themselves.  CBR   Feb-25-10 02:37 PM   #7 
  - Wow. Should I just accept that as evidence of a universal fact?  saracat   Feb-25-10 02:39 PM   #9 
  - Yeah, that is what I said. I was just stating my experience but apparently  CBR   Feb-25-10 02:52 PM   #13 
     - I didn't say anything. I posted a quote from NOW. And Ill bet you didn't go to the link.  saracat   Feb-25-10 02:56 PM   #15 
     - I went to the damn link. I agree with some of what they  CBR   Feb-25-10 02:59 PM   #17 
     - Nothing. it is just the point doesn't matter.Each abortion is different.  saracat   Feb-25-10 03:04 PM   #21 
     - The fact is that NOW does not cite a study to back their assertion  karynnj   Feb-25-10 04:03 PM   #50 
        - What study does the Secretary cite, or do you think her word is just good enough?  saracat   Feb-25-10 04:24 PM   #63 
     - current coverage is the only question that is pertinent  mkultra   Feb-25-10 03:04 PM   #22 
        - Thank you for your response. I agree with your statement. nt  CBR   Feb-25-10 03:16 PM   #30 
  - That has been my experience as well. The OP and women of  ecstatic   Feb-25-10 08:59 PM   #78 
  - "nearly 90 percent of private health plans currently cover abortion procedures"  ProSense   Feb-25-10 02:58 PM   #16 
  - The same things apparently NOW doesn't. BTW, I guess you approve of the age and gednder rating?  saracat   Feb-25-10 03:00 PM   #19 
  - The age rating wasn't a compromise  ProSense   Feb-25-10 03:06 PM   #23 
     - Though I am not sure I trust that figure, what difference does it make? Unfair is still unfair.  saracat   Feb-25-10 03:10 PM   #26 
  - In defense of sarcat, the Senate's abortion coverage is totally impractical and unworkable.  flpoljunkie   Feb-25-10 03:03 PM   #20 
  - The Senate bill is a hell of a lot better  ProSense   Feb-25-10 03:10 PM   #25 
     - Which isn't a good thing either but we can't expect better from this Senate  saracat   Feb-25-10 03:13 PM   #28 
     - If they want to overturn Hyde, they should first pass healthcare - then see if there is support  karynnj   Feb-25-10 06:54 PM   #73 
     - Yes, but it is totally unworkable. What woman is going to buy separate abortion coverage.  flpoljunkie   Feb-25-10 03:21 PM   #32 
        - I agree with this.  saracat   Feb-25-10 03:54 PM   #43 
  - You obviously didn't work for the U.S. government during the first two years of the Clinton  katandmoon   Feb-25-10 03:12 PM   #27 
     - Absolutely correct.  saracat   Feb-25-10 03:14 PM   #29 
     - Get your facts straight  ProSense   Feb-25-10 03:29 PM   #33 
     - Excuse me?I said that it was ironic to have overseas funding  saracat   Feb-25-10 03:34 PM   #34 
     - Yes, you do.  katandmoon   Feb-25-10 03:35 PM   #36 
     - That has NOTHING to do with health insurance coverage for abortion.  katandmoon   Feb-25-10 03:34 PM   #35 
        - Can you provide a link  ProSense   Feb-25-10 03:57 PM   #46 
     - Don't muddle the argument with facts!  Captain Hilts   Feb-25-10 04:04 PM   #51 
        - Where are the facts? n/t  ProSense   Feb-25-10 04:05 PM   #52 
  - Reid-Nelson language? - No, it is not the Nelson language, it is the Reid language  karynnj   Feb-25-10 03:39 PM   #38 
  - yeah those Pro-Choice folks are just stupid.We really ought to have more respect for those anti  saracat   Feb-25-10 03:49 PM   #39 
     - Actually, it says NOW is showing the same stupidity... n/t  ProSense   Feb-25-10 04:00 PM   #48 
     - Yeah, pro-choice women who place a priority on equal medical care are stupid  saracat   Feb-25-10 04:10 PM   #55 
     - Where the Hell are you coming from  karynnj   Feb-25-10 04:18 PM   #59 
     - Hey, Now was called stupid in tht thread and as they represent pro-choice that is how it sounded.  saracat   Feb-25-10 05:53 PM   #69 
        - "unlike politcians, they represent only women" - what does that have to do with the price of tea in  karynnj   Feb-25-10 06:46 PM   #72 
           - I agree but all I am saying is NOW only represents women. Politcians represent themselves and  saracat   Feb-25-10 07:13 PM   #74 
     - no.. but maybe you should have some respect and empathy  OhioBlue   Feb-25-10 10:23 PM   #83 
        - This Bill isn't going to help those folks. And the fast is, is we pass this garbage,  saracat   Feb-26-10 01:20 AM   #86 
  - I sincerely believe that Obama and the democratic party  cornermouse   Feb-25-10 03:55 PM   #44 
  - DLCers like Rahm have been actively courting --  Hell Hath No Fury   Feb-25-10 04:14 PM   #56 
  - Yes they have, and some even approve of this.  saracat   Feb-25-10 04:16 PM   #58 
  - It's not just  ProSense   Feb-25-10 04:24 PM   #62 
     - What does that have to do with anything? Dean isn't an elected official? And what does the majority  saracat   Feb-25-10 04:36 PM   #66 
        - Read the response and related comment.  ProSense   Feb-25-10 04:38 PM   #67 
           - Its not just Rahm? You want say Dean likes this? So what?  saracat   Feb-25-10 04:50 PM   #68 
  - Link?  ecstatic   Feb-25-10 09:01 PM   #79 
  - K & R Sara  Dinger   Feb-25-10 05:55 PM   #70 
  - choice is not the only problem! read here:  amborin   Feb-25-10 07:31 PM   #76 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-10 08:30 PM   #77 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-10 09:18 PM   #80 
     - Exactly, not unlike the bailout to the Banksters, even Obama's plan merely equates to MANDATES ...  ShortnFiery   Feb-25-10 09:20 PM   #81 
     - Another k&r.  noamnety   Feb-25-10 10:44 PM   #84 
 

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