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Thu Feb-25-10 03:39 PM
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| 38. Reid-Nelson language? - No, it is not the Nelson language, it is the Reid language |
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and they are showing the same stupidity some chapters showed whan they attacked Senator Kennedy because he endorsed Obama.
The fact is the Senate bill has a provision (it was a Kerry provision and it was added) that ensures that the cost for women equals the cost for men and Obama kept it. So, I assume they are speaking of paying extra for abortion insurance, which men do not have to pay. But, the change to gender parity for the rest of the cost ALONE means the total cost for a woman wanting insurance for women is lower than it was before - because that provision lowers the cost more than paying by a second check for abortion would cost.
The comments on PRIVATE insurance ignore that there is a need for two checks only when the government is paying one of them - the bigger one for everything but abortion. People currently on Medicaid do not have abortion funded and they do not have the option of buying this insurance with their own money. So, this is an improvement. For the people who pay all or part of their insurance, their portion can be one check. The point is that the government can not pay for it. That keeps things exactly where it is now with the Hyde amendment.
When 30 million unisured people, including women and children, get insurance, people can't be excluded due to pre-existing conditions and other improvements that abortion is the first thing they mention. As to the age rating, the status quo in some states has a spread of as much as 34 to 1 - this is an improement. As to those on modest incomes, if they are below a threshold, they get subsidies.
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| -White House Health Plan Fails Women "NOW" |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 02:20 PM |
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Some folks disagreed about the issue of laguage.I guess they also disagree with NOW. |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 02:26 PM |
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Yes - they are playing it cute - calling it Reid-Nelson language |
karynnj |
Feb-25-10 03:54 PM |
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yeah well. I support NOW because I support women . I don't care about the politicians no matter |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 04:00 PM |
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I have been a member of Now |
karynnj |
Feb-25-10 04:08 PM |
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I don't trust Senators. They are politicians and will vote and say whatever benefits them. |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 04:15 PM |
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But, you trusted John Edwards |
karynnj |
Feb-25-10 04:22 PM |
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And I was wrong on Edwards. But he did have a good message. |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 04:31 PM |
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One of many reasons I am against this -- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Feb-25-10 02:28 PM |
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What a relief! I was afraid we were going to start treating women like people. |
Deep13 |
Feb-25-10 02:28 PM |
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Yes. The language is insulting. Women's rights are negotiable and expendable. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-25-10 02:28 PM |
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Obviously it appears that some both disagree and find the topic |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 02:31 PM |
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Sebelius: "Most private plans do not cover abortion services except in limited circumstances.' |
flpoljunkie |
Feb-25-10 02:34 PM |
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You are quoting a Pro-Life site from their Christain news? An RW source? |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 02:38 PM |
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The quotes from Sebelius are direct. I am a pro-choice, lifetime member of Planned Parenthood. |
flpoljunkie |
Feb-25-10 02:51 PM |
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But that is an RW link. And even if she is right , so what? |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 02:54 PM |
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As long as Congress clings to the hideous Hyde Amendment, they have the right to deny federal funds |
flpoljunkie |
Feb-25-10 03:00 PM |
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In fairness, this is only one reason this bill is crap. What about the age and gender rating as well |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 03:07 PM |
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Rates same for both sexes for younger people. I would go with Vermont's 20% more for seniors. |
flpoljunkie |
Feb-25-10 03:20 PM |
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The gender provision is in there |
karynnj |
Feb-25-10 04:00 PM |
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I believe you, but I do not agree. |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 03:50 PM |
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Found another link on Sebelius' comments from the NYT. |
flpoljunkie |
Feb-25-10 03:37 PM |
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I don't doubt that she said that but even if that is true, it doesn't make it right. That is my |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 03:53 PM |
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It is a quote from teh Secretary of HHS |
karynnj |
Feb-25-10 03:56 PM |
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I didn't say she was wrong , though I have no particular reason to believe her. She |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 04:06 PM |
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but you believe anonymous members of NOW |
karynnj |
Feb-25-10 04:23 PM |
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They don't have anything to gain. And one can always contact |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 04:33 PM |
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They have a lot to gain |
karynnj |
Feb-25-10 06:39 PM |
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I didn't say they don't have an agenda. I support their agenda. |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 07:30 PM |
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Otherwise women could just have the abortion and not be subject to a mandate.It would be cheaper. |
karynnj |
Feb-25-10 09:22 PM |
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Same old same old.Of course it isn't the main health care a woman is likely to need. That isn't the |
saracat |
Feb-26-10 01:10 AM |
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So, of course the Obama administration will follow private industry's lead. That's their REAL base. |
katandmoon |
Feb-25-10 02:39 PM |
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What amazes me is how acceptable some find this. They seriously don't have a problem with women be |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 02:42 PM |
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Everyone I know that has had an abortion had to pay for it all themselves. |
CBR |
Feb-25-10 02:37 PM |
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Wow. Should I just accept that as evidence of a universal fact? |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 02:39 PM |
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Yeah, that is what I said. I was just stating my experience but apparently |
CBR |
Feb-25-10 02:52 PM |
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I didn't say anything. I posted a quote from NOW. And Ill bet you didn't go to the link. |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 02:56 PM |
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I went to the damn link. I agree with some of what they |
CBR |
Feb-25-10 02:59 PM |
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Nothing. it is just the point doesn't matter.Each abortion is different. |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 03:04 PM |
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The fact is that NOW does not cite a study to back their assertion |
karynnj |
Feb-25-10 04:03 PM |
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What study does the Secretary cite, or do you think her word is just good enough? |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 04:24 PM |
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current coverage is the only question that is pertinent |
mkultra |
Feb-25-10 03:04 PM |
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Thank you for your response. I agree with your statement. nt |
CBR |
Feb-25-10 03:16 PM |
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That has been my experience as well. The OP and women of |
ecstatic |
Feb-25-10 08:59 PM |
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"nearly 90 percent of private health plans currently cover abortion procedures" |
ProSense |
Feb-25-10 02:58 PM |
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The same things apparently NOW doesn't. BTW, I guess you approve of the age and gednder rating? |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 03:00 PM |
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The age rating wasn't a compromise |
ProSense |
Feb-25-10 03:06 PM |
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Though I am not sure I trust that figure, what difference does it make? Unfair is still unfair. |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 03:10 PM |
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In defense of sarcat, the Senate's abortion coverage is totally impractical and unworkable. |
flpoljunkie |
Feb-25-10 03:03 PM |
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The Senate bill is a hell of a lot better |
ProSense |
Feb-25-10 03:10 PM |
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Which isn't a good thing either but we can't expect better from this Senate |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 03:13 PM |
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If they want to overturn Hyde, they should first pass healthcare - then see if there is support |
karynnj |
Feb-25-10 06:54 PM |
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Yes, but it is totally unworkable. What woman is going to buy separate abortion coverage. |
flpoljunkie |
Feb-25-10 03:21 PM |
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I agree with this. |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 03:54 PM |
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You obviously didn't work for the U.S. government during the first two years of the Clinton |
katandmoon |
Feb-25-10 03:12 PM |
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Absolutely correct. |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 03:14 PM |
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Get your facts straight |
ProSense |
Feb-25-10 03:29 PM |
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Excuse me?I said that it was ironic to have overseas funding |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 03:34 PM |
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Yes, you do. |
katandmoon |
Feb-25-10 03:35 PM |
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That has NOTHING to do with health insurance coverage for abortion. |
katandmoon |
Feb-25-10 03:34 PM |
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Can you provide a link |
ProSense |
Feb-25-10 03:57 PM |
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Don't muddle the argument with facts! |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-25-10 04:04 PM |
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Where are the facts? n/t |
ProSense |
Feb-25-10 04:05 PM |
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Reid-Nelson language? - No, it is not the Nelson language, it is the Reid language |
karynnj |
Feb-25-10 03:39 PM |
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yeah those Pro-Choice folks are just stupid.We really ought to have more respect for those anti |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 03:49 PM |
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Actually, it says NOW is showing the same stupidity... n/t |
ProSense |
Feb-25-10 04:00 PM |
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Yeah, pro-choice women who place a priority on equal medical care are stupid |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 04:10 PM |
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Where the Hell are you coming from |
karynnj |
Feb-25-10 04:18 PM |
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Hey, Now was called stupid in tht thread and as they represent pro-choice that is how it sounded. |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 05:53 PM |
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"unlike politcians, they represent only women" - what does that have to do with the price of tea in |
karynnj |
Feb-25-10 06:46 PM |
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I agree but all I am saying is NOW only represents women. Politcians represent themselves and |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 07:13 PM |
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no.. but maybe you should have some respect and empathy |
OhioBlue |
Feb-25-10 10:23 PM |
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This Bill isn't going to help those folks. And the fast is, is we pass this garbage, |
saracat |
Feb-26-10 01:20 AM |
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I sincerely believe that Obama and the democratic party |
cornermouse |
Feb-25-10 03:55 PM |
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DLCers like Rahm have been actively courting -- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Feb-25-10 04:14 PM |
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Yes they have, and some even approve of this. |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 04:16 PM |
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It's not just |
ProSense |
Feb-25-10 04:24 PM |
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What does that have to do with anything? Dean isn't an elected official? And what does the majority |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 04:36 PM |
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Read the response and related comment. |
ProSense |
Feb-25-10 04:38 PM |
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Its not just Rahm? You want say Dean likes this? So what? |
saracat |
Feb-25-10 04:50 PM |
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Link? |
ecstatic |
Feb-25-10 09:01 PM |
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K & R Sara |
Dinger |
Feb-25-10 05:55 PM |
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choice is not the only problem! read here: |
amborin |
Feb-25-10 07:31 PM |
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Feb-25-10 08:30 PM |
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Feb-25-10 09:18 PM |
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Exactly, not unlike the bailout to the Banksters, even Obama's plan merely equates to MANDATES ... |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-25-10 09:20 PM |
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Another k&r. |
noamnety |
Feb-25-10 10:44 PM |
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