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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:41 AM
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2. No.
Observations don't have the force of an order or law.

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  -The President's bill proves that there is always room for complaining ProSense  Feb-22-10 10:37 AM   #0 
  - And wouldn't you just love to SILENCE it?  freddie mertz   Feb-22-10 10:39 AM   #1 
  - No.  ProSense   Feb-22-10 10:41 AM   #2 
     - Thank the gods. nt.  freddie mertz   Feb-22-10 10:55 AM   #12 
  - Pro, do you see any way, under this proposal that we could get a public option?  CTyankee   Feb-22-10 10:41 AM   #3 
  - That is one of my MAJOR disappointments. Public Option!!!! public option!!! public option!!  BrklynLiberal   Feb-22-10 10:43 AM   #5 
  - Progressive Change Campaign Committee  ProSense   Feb-22-10 10:43 AM   #6 
  - So, is the idea to have an opt out of exchanges so that at the state level states can do PO?  CTyankee   Feb-22-10 10:53 AM   #10 
     - Isn't that what's in the current bill?  ProSense   Feb-22-10 10:59 AM   #18 
        - OK, so this is a way to get more and more states having their own PO.  CTyankee   Feb-22-10 11:06 AM   #22 
           - I think  ProSense   Feb-22-10 11:07 AM   #23 
  - The WH hasn't ruled anything out.  TheWraith   Feb-22-10 10:43 AM   #7 
  - Can't while Rahm protects the blue dogs  zipplewrath   Feb-22-10 10:52 AM   #9 
     - Thank you for your boogeyman and non sequitur.  TheWraith   Feb-22-10 10:56 AM   #14 
        - Because the whole other chamber is meaningless  zipplewrath   Feb-22-10 11:09 AM   #25 
           - You're wrong, and so are your facts.  TheWraith   Feb-22-10 11:15 AM   #27 
              - How else do left wingers move them?  zipplewrath   Feb-22-10 11:26 AM   #35 
  - The whole point of this exercise is to ...  frazzled   Feb-22-10 10:51 AM   #8 
  - Before I cheer, I will wait and see what FINALLY is signed....  BrklynLiberal   Feb-22-10 10:41 AM   #4 
  - The price controls serve the same purpose the PO was suppose to serve. But that doesn't matter.  phleshdef   Feb-22-10 10:54 AM   #11 
  - The price controls are only on premiums but does not do anything for denial of  dkf   Feb-22-10 10:58 AM   #16 
  - The bill establishes an independent panel that can be consulted to appeal insurance company denials.  phleshdef   Feb-22-10 11:31 AM   #38 
  - The "complainers" (ie supporters of true HCR) see the PO as a first step  freddie mertz   Feb-22-10 10:58 AM   #17 
  - It's still just an insurance bill  dflprincess   Feb-22-10 11:20 AM   #30 
  - Ditto and BINGO!!! n/t  Fire1   Feb-22-10 01:36 PM   #56 
  - This bill shows he doesn't care that we citizens are most interested in a public option.  dkf   Feb-22-10 10:55 AM   #13 
  - And he eats puppies, too!!!!11one  TheWraith   Feb-22-10 10:57 AM   #15 
  - A President so out of touch does nothing to help our party.  dkf   Feb-22-10 11:00 AM   #19 
  - The President isn't the one who is out of touch  ProSense   Feb-22-10 11:05 AM   #21 
     - much is  Cha   Feb-22-10 11:28 AM   #36 
     - So does the strategy end with the popular public option?  dkf   Feb-23-10 01:21 AM   #66 
  - PO is the most popular aspect of the whole plan.  freddie mertz   Feb-22-10 11:01 AM   #20 
  - Blaming the President for the actions of the Senate is simply bullshit.  TheWraith   Feb-22-10 12:59 PM   #52 
  - -1  Mithreal   Feb-22-10 03:18 PM   #63 
  - "We citizens" barely know what a public option even means or what the rest of the bill even does.  phleshdef   Feb-22-10 11:34 AM   #40 
  - people are complaining even though you like it?  Enrique   Feb-22-10 11:08 AM   #24 
  - Republicans complain every day  ProSense   Feb-22-10 11:13 AM   #26 
     - it doesn't 'improve on both'  Enrique   Feb-22-10 11:22 AM   #31 
     - It does improve both dramatically, and  ProSense   Feb-22-10 11:23 AM   #33 
     - No public option is NOT an improvement  dflprincess   Feb-22-10 11:22 AM   #32 
        - Some people actually believe rate regulation is better than a public option  ProSense   Feb-22-10 11:25 AM   #34 
           - "Some people"  dflprincess   Feb-22-10 12:41 PM   #49 
              - "What's to stop the next administration from deregulating health insurance? "  ProSense   Feb-22-10 12:45 PM   #50 
                 - I'm blaming this administration for not caring about the U.S. joining the civilized world  dflprincess   Feb-22-10 12:59 PM   #51 
                    - What utter nonsense.  ProSense   Feb-22-10 01:08 PM   #53 
                       - Mandatory insurance is not reform  dflprincess   Feb-22-10 01:15 PM   #54 
                          - Single payer is mandatory insurance, and  ProSense   Feb-22-10 01:20 PM   #55 
                             - The difference being that a tax supported single payer system,  dflprincess   Feb-22-10 01:47 PM   #57 
  - It DOES still include the Stupak Amendment.  ThomCat   Feb-22-10 11:15 AM   #28 
  - No, it does not. n/t  ProSense   Feb-22-10 11:18 AM   #29 
  - According to this link, it is.  ThomCat   Feb-22-10 11:36 AM   #41 
     - That is not the Stupak amendment. n/t  ProSense   Feb-22-10 11:40 AM   #43 
     - That is NOT the Stupak language  karynnj   Feb-22-10 11:41 AM   #44 
        - Ah. Okay. If if you buy private insurance plans  ThomCat   Feb-22-10 11:55 AM   #46 
           - "if you are on a government plan though, it won't be covered," Wrong  ProSense   Feb-22-10 11:59 AM   #47 
           - If there was a government plan, funded by premiums we pay  ThomCat   Feb-22-10 12:10 PM   #48 
              - The public option as defined would NOT be paid by public funds  karynnj   Feb-22-10 02:37 PM   #59 
           - That was not the Senate language -  karynnj   Feb-22-10 02:34 PM   #58 
  - Can something not budget related be removed in reconciliation?  karynnj   Feb-22-10 11:39 AM   #42 
  - Thanks for being so  Cha   Feb-22-10 11:30 AM   #37 
  - True  karynnj   Feb-22-10 11:33 AM   #39 
  - kick and rec NT  Clio the Leo   Feb-22-10 11:47 AM   #45 
  - I'm one of those whiners and I just won the lottery . . .  Phx_Dem   Feb-22-10 02:49 PM   #60 
  - Don't sound too bad could be worse, considering everyhthing we've seen.  ProgressOnTheMove   Feb-22-10 03:00 PM   #61 
  - If the insurance companies need constant policing, they don't deserve to be in business.  Vinca   Feb-22-10 03:02 PM   #62 
  - Misstating the position of the opposition is such a winning strategy  Mithreal   Feb-22-10 03:24 PM   #64 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-22-10 04:00 PM   #65 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-23-10 10:15 AM   #67 
  - Or course there is. if it had a public option, the same people  treestar   Feb-23-10 10:32 AM   #68 

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