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130. Totally UNTRUE: "FDR had a Democratic majority in Congress that dwarfed that which we have now."
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 02:00 PM by 2 Much Tribulation
FDR was first elected in 1932, along with a Republican MAJORITY in the Senate of 49-48, and 1 Farmer-Labor. When FDR decided to run in 1931 it was a huge Republican majority in the Senate of 56-39, and 1 Farmer-Labor.

FDR went right to work on the New Deal anyway.

The reaction? The "traditional" loss of seats in the first off-year election? Hell, no.

The 59th Congress shifted in a landslide to 59 Democrat, 36 Republican and 1 Farmer-Labor.

Then what happened as the New Deal set in?

74th Congress (1935-1937)

Majority Party: Democrat (69 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (25 seats)

Other Parties: 1 Farmer-Labor; 1 Progressive


AND THEN FOUR TERMS HAPPENED FOR FDR. It doesn't appear WWII was necessary for that really at all.


75th Congress (1937-1939)

Majority Party: Democrat (76 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (16 seats)

Other Parties: 2 Farmer-Labor; 1 Progressive; 1 Independent

Total Seats: 96

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76th Congress (1939-1941)

Majority Party: Democrat (69 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (23 seats)

Other Parties: 2 Farmer-Labor; 1 Progressive; 1 Independent

Total Seats: 96

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77th Congress (1941-1943)

Majority Party: Democrat (66 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (28 seats)

Other Parties: 1 Independent; 1 Progressive

Total Seats: 96
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/one_item_and_t...

The New Deal comprised the economic programs passed by Congress during the first term of Franklin D. Roosevelt, 32nd President of the United States, from 1933 to his reelection in 1937. Few new programs were enacted after 1936, and many agencies were disbanded during World War II. The programs were responses to the Great Depression, and focused on what historians call the 3 Rs: relief, recovery and reform. That is, relief for the unemployed and poor, recovery of the economy to normal levels, and reform of the financial system to prevent a repeat depression. The New Deal produced a political realignment, making the Democratic party the majority, with its base in liberal ideas, big city machines, and newly empowered labor unions. The Republicans were split, either opposing the entire New Deal as an enemy of business and growth, or accepting some of it and promising to make it more efficient. The realignment crystallized into the New Deal Coalition that dominated most American elections into the 1960s, while the opposition Conservative Coalition largely controlled Congress from 1937 to 1964.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal


The conservative coalition remained a thorn in FDRs side at all times, and he proposed the New Deal with a Republican majority in the Senate as well. There's no excuse for lack of political leadership.

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  -Today I heard a 94 year old Democrat explain why Obama isn't FDR. Hello_Kitty  Feb-17-10 07:49 PM   #0 
  - Oh really? n/t  Fire1   Feb-17-10 07:56 PM   #1 
  - FDR had Eleanor kicking him in the butt  upi402   Feb-17-10 08:00 PM   #2 
  - Like Michelle doesn't also kick Barrack's butt?  intheflow   Feb-17-10 10:10 PM   #24 
  - These men have silenced Brooksley Born and caused this Wall Street crap  upi402   Feb-17-10 11:59 PM   #39 
  - Thank you.  DeSwiss   Feb-18-10 06:21 AM   #57 
  - Brooksley Born is an unmatched heroine  SemperEadem   Feb-18-10 01:36 PM   #127 
  - We saw the influence of ER on FDR before he got to the WH. We've seen  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-10 10:37 AM   #94 
  - The Roosevelts were married for 30 years before FDR became president.  intheflow   Feb-18-10 11:51 AM   #114 
     - I'm giving her time, hence the "yet" in my comment. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-10 06:43 PM   #146 
  - Yeah right. Like selecting Bo the dog. C'mon, she's not Eleanor and he's not FDR  EVDebs   Feb-18-10 07:30 PM   #149 
  - Eleanor visited the  femrap   Feb-18-10 10:31 AM   #91 
     - FDR also realized how they would have been ruined after polio if they had not been wealthy and  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-10 10:54 AM   #101 
  - Thanks for sharing the story,  HCE SuiGeneris   Feb-17-10 08:01 PM   #3 
  - FDR on his foes: "I welcome their hatred."  Smashcut   Feb-17-10 08:06 PM   #4 
  - I've thought about this before, that those with the names, money and security  gateley   Feb-17-10 08:28 PM   #11 
  - That's very, very true. Sense of entitlement and all.  Smashcut   Feb-17-10 08:40 PM   #16 
  - I agree with your amendment - you express my sense of it perfectly.  gateley   Feb-17-10 08:54 PM   #19 
  - He grew up 'intelligentsia' as it was uncommon for women to have grad degrees  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-10 10:39 AM   #96 
     - B*llsh*t.  Bette Noir   Feb-18-10 12:54 PM   #121 
        - I did not say "upper caste" at all. 'Intelligentsia' means highly educated, not wealthy.  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-10 03:44 PM   #136 
  - Obama is being more closely handled  Hydra   Feb-17-10 09:37 PM   #23 
  - wishful thinking  bkozumplik   Feb-18-10 02:29 AM   #47 
     - I deal mostly in results rather than causes  Hydra   Feb-19-10 10:21 AM   #172 
  - That's very true, but a modern president essentially has the same thing  Ex Lurker   Feb-18-10 05:27 AM   #53 
  - If he's afriad of anything,  NOLALady   Feb-18-10 09:48 AM   #84 
  - I think he has that fire,  NOLALady   Feb-18-10 09:44 AM   #82 
  - FDR had far more experience in  PatSeg   Feb-18-10 12:54 PM   #122 
  - Yes, FDR was a skilled bureaucrat. The comparison isn't fair to either man. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-10 06:43 PM   #148 
  - An "angry black man" characature is one I think he avoids, intentionally.  boppers   Feb-19-10 04:39 PM   #174 
  - Yes, much bigger difference than the asserted ones.  pundaint   Feb-18-10 01:00 AM   #42 
  - Exactly! Obama backs down under pressure, preferring compromise over Party platform.  DailyGrind51   Feb-18-10 06:11 AM   #55 
  - +1 Well said.  quark219   Feb-18-10 06:51 AM   #60 
  - That's as racist as anything I've seen come from a teabagger.  Bette Noir   Feb-18-10 12:56 PM   #123 
  - Right ~ FDR didn't have internet and cell phones and instant news  goclark   Feb-18-10 09:44 AM   #83 
     - FDR had Father Couglin  Larkspur   Feb-18-10 10:00 AM   #85 
        - And the Chicago Tribune and the Hearst papers. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-10 10:36 AM   #93 
           - Hearst...  Shining Jack   Feb-18-10 05:02 PM   #139 
  - That sent chills up my spine  8 track mind   Feb-17-10 08:06 PM   #5 
  - I hope she is writing her story and includes this kind of knowledge. nt  jwirr   Feb-17-10 08:07 PM   #6 
  - Thank you for this. nt  Doremus   Feb-17-10 08:08 PM   #7 
  - Thank you for some actual perspective from someone who was there  Uzybone   Feb-17-10 08:19 PM   #8 
  - Boy, what incredible insight. Thank you so much for sharing this - and thank  gateley   Feb-17-10 08:21 PM   #9 
  - A perspective from my 84-year-old mother  frazzled   Feb-17-10 08:22 PM   #10 
  - Geri, not surprisingly, was a big Hillary Clinton supporter in the primary.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-17-10 08:32 PM   #12 
  - Funny, I don't see it that way at all.  JTFrog   Feb-18-10 06:13 AM   #56 
  - I suppose that makes sense. Hilary supporters are generally more pragmatic  comtec   Feb-18-10 06:52 AM   #61 
  - that post was a big steaming pile of bitter.  dionysus   Feb-18-10 08:03 AM   #64 
  - It was meant to be a compliment to the hilary supporters  comtec   Feb-18-10 09:36 AM   #81 
     - Pragmatism in politics is NOT a good thing...  liberation   Feb-18-10 11:10 AM   #107 
        - Wow. What an ignorant post. FDR supported Herbert Hoover for president. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-10 11:22 AM   #111 
           - Yeah, your response is so much more "impressive"...  liberation   Feb-18-10 11:27 AM   #112 
  - Still angry huh?  butterfly77   Feb-18-10 12:20 PM   #118 
  - I've noticed the same thing. I think HRC supporters were more likely to see their similarities.  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-10 10:56 AM   #103 
  - A hug to your mom -- another wise woman.  gateley   Feb-17-10 08:34 PM   #14 
  - Smart Mom..pick up on that from brian williams..  Cha   Feb-17-10 08:38 PM   #15 
  - Beautiful. Thank you. NT  Clio the Leo   Feb-17-10 08:33 PM   #13 
  - I appreciate this thread......  FrenchieCat   Feb-17-10 08:41 PM   #17 
  - Thanks for posting this.  Kind of Blue   Feb-17-10 08:42 PM   #18 
  - Another big difference: FDR was a doer. Obama is a talker.  salguine   Feb-17-10 09:21 PM   #20 
  - -1000  scheming daemons   Feb-17-10 09:22 PM   #21 
  - Unfortunately, the record on more than a few issues- and agencies shows precisely that  depakid   Feb-17-10 09:33 PM   #22 
  - Agreeing with a comment that completely misses the point.  ProSense   Feb-17-10 10:16 PM   #26 
     - Even Bush I dealt with the aftermath of the S&L debacle by holding a lot of entities and individuals  depakid   Feb-17-10 10:29 PM   #27 
        - You sure are a fan of the Bushes.  ProSense   Feb-17-10 11:06 PM   #31 
           - I'm a fan of results- and it gives me no pleasure to note the FACT that despite the above  depakid   Feb-17-10 11:31 PM   #33 
           - "Bush I was more effective in this regard than the current administration "  ProSense   Feb-17-10 11:48 PM   #35 
              - Err... you don't (for obvious reasons) address the glaring issue I raised  depakid   Feb-18-10 01:06 AM   #43 
           - this is something new i've seen in the last few days. defending BUSH to take a swipe at obama.  dionysus   Feb-18-10 08:04 AM   #65 
              - Making an objective compare and contrast doesn't equal "defending" anyone  depakid   Feb-18-10 09:20 AM   #79 
              - Anything to take a swipe at the President will  Cha   Feb-19-10 05:08 AM   #167 
  - Actually FDR's reputation as governor was as a talker not a doer  quiller4   Feb-18-10 02:30 AM   #48 
  - FDR probably also took a position and stuck to it. With Obama, his position  Lorien   Feb-18-10 08:54 AM   #74 
  - Really? So FDR's original position on Social Security was that minorities and women SHOULD NOT be  4lbs   Feb-18-10 12:03 PM   #117 
  - Yeah, I think I'll give more credence to the woman in the OP  Cha   Feb-19-10 04:49 AM   #161 
  - Obama must stand up to the  femrap   Feb-18-10 10:38 AM   #95 
  - FDR, unlike Bill Clinton and B Obama, didn't worry about having everybody like him. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-10 10:57 AM   #104 
  - I think so too.  avaistheone1   Feb-18-10 12:02 PM   #116 
  - +1,000,000  ShortnFiery   Feb-18-10 12:23 PM   #119 
  - That's bc you don't pay attention to  Cha   Feb-19-10 04:46 AM   #160 
  - Actually the Democratic Congress of 1932-1936 was to the LEFT of FDR  happyslug   Feb-17-10 10:16 PM   #25 
  - Exactly, he had a wider majority and very few of the blue dog types back then. The world was his ...  ProgressOnTheMove   Feb-17-10 10:43 PM   #28 
  - Points well taken  PurityOfEssence   Feb-17-10 10:53 PM   #29 
  - Obama has one thing that FDR didn't have  zalinda   Feb-17-10 10:54 PM   #30 
  - Obama does care......  FrenchieCat   Feb-17-10 11:31 PM   #32 
  - Then he should DO something to show it,  zalinda   Feb-17-10 11:39 PM   #34 
     - Maybe you should open your eyes  ProSense   Feb-17-10 11:56 PM   #37 
     - The war ended? I was not informed.  zalinda   Feb-18-10 12:26 AM   #40 
        - Obama's done plenty,  FrenchieCat   Feb-18-10 01:30 AM   #46 
           - Well done Frenchie.  JNelson6563   Feb-18-10 07:26 AM   #63 
           - Thanks Frenchie.  NOLALady   Feb-18-10 10:30 AM   #90 
           - Sorry, but most of those links are just crap  zalinda   Feb-18-10 02:16 PM   #133 
           - Let's break this down shall we?  Political Heretic   Feb-18-10 04:44 PM   #138 
              - P.H. structural injustice is a perfect way to describe the state of this country...  midnight   Feb-18-10 05:03 PM   #140 
              - Poster posted his opinion about my cites,  FrenchieCat   Feb-18-10 07:50 PM   #155 
              - You pit the articles I cite against your opinions, and somehow  FrenchieCat   Feb-18-10 07:47 PM   #153 
                 - Yes its true, I have enough policy understanding to respond directly,  Political Heretic   Feb-18-10 08:44 PM   #158 
     - Maybe you should wake up and  Cha   Feb-19-10 04:59 AM   #164 
  - "He cared, Obama doesn't". Such a stupid comment.  impik   Feb-18-10 01:22 AM   #45 
  - FDR's opposition didn't have that either though. (nt)  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Feb-18-10 08:50 AM   #72 
  - Oh, "Obama doesn't care"...ohhhh  Cha   Feb-19-10 04:58 AM   #163 
  - I see two choices. Either Obama is nicer than he should be (not a negative outside of politics)...  Forkboy   Feb-17-10 11:49 PM   #36 
  - Party discipline over the past year would've made a big difference...  Yurovsky   Feb-17-10 11:59 PM   #38 
  - I don't think it's the Democrats lacking courage that's the problem.  stillwaiting   Feb-18-10 08:35 AM   #69 
  - FDR didn't have that either.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Feb-18-10 08:51 AM   #73 
  - Thatt 60-vote majority only existed on paper.  Bette Noir   Feb-18-10 01:09 PM   #124 
     - Hopefully 54 will get closer to 60 this fall...  Yurovsky   Feb-19-10 08:20 PM   #175 
  - Wow. This thread has been very instructive for me.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-18-10 12:37 AM   #41 
  - Thank you so much for sharing.  Lilyeye   Feb-18-10 01:08 AM   #44 
  - My thoughts exactly  duhneece   Feb-18-10 05:09 PM   #141 
  - Wonderful post. I'm bookmarking it.  lamp_shade   Feb-18-10 04:16 AM   #49 
  - K & R  democracy1st   Feb-18-10 04:33 AM   #50 
  - Great post, Hello_Kitty. Thanks. Always nice to hear some historical perspective from someone  pampango   Feb-18-10 04:43 AM   #51 
  - Explaining what's wrong doesn't magically make wrong right.  Political Heretic   Feb-18-10 05:09 AM   #52 
  - Well said.  DisgustedInMN   Feb-18-10 06:24 AM   #58 
  - +1 Well said. [N/T]  quark219   Feb-18-10 06:58 AM   #62 
  - Bravo!!!!!!  proudohioan   Feb-18-10 08:43 AM   #71 
  - personally, I feel pity for those who make excuses for the man  fascisthunter   Feb-18-10 08:59 AM   #76 
  - Oh brother.  ProSense   Feb-18-10 10:24 AM   #88 
  - So, let met get this straight...  Syntheto   Feb-18-10 05:53 AM   #54 
  - "Barry"? You just gave yourself away. nt  RayOfHope   Feb-18-10 06:25 AM   #59 
  - "Gave yourself away" as what!?  salguine   Feb-18-10 08:18 AM   #66 
  - There's only one kind of person who calls Obama "Barry".  YOY   Feb-18-10 08:42 AM   #70 
     - Really? Bill Maher calls him Barry all the time  Lorien   Feb-18-10 08:56 AM   #75 
        - Bill has better things to do than post on DU though...  YOY   Feb-18-10 09:10 AM   #77 
        - Bill Maher's a fucking anti-vaccer kook.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Feb-18-10 11:10 AM   #108 
  - +1  polichick   Feb-18-10 08:19 AM   #67 
  - Oh, really? You just gave yourself away...  Syntheto   Feb-19-10 06:06 AM   #168 
     - That's quite a bit of assumptions made about me from one tiny sentence.  RayOfHope   Feb-19-10 06:28 AM   #170 
  - Maybe FDR was helped because his margins in congress were much larger than "Barry's"  WI_DEM   Feb-18-10 09:32 AM   #80 
     - The nature of the Senate has changed as well  Alcibiades   Feb-18-10 10:08 AM   #86 
     - Not really. The Bonus Army March of '32 resulted in the Senate voting down what the House passed.  EVDebs   Feb-18-10 07:41 PM   #151 
        - But that's the thing: they actually had a vote  Alcibiades   Feb-19-10 10:15 AM   #171 
     - Cons Southern Dems tied FDR's hands. Obama's majority is much stronger than Clinton's, but  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-10 10:52 AM   #100 
  - Good thread...k/r  4_TN_TITANS   Feb-18-10 08:20 AM   #68 
  - People also forget the FDR had HUGE margins in both the Senate and House  WI_DEM   Feb-18-10 09:19 AM   #78 
  - Yes and no. The southern Dems were very conservative. Left over Bull Moosers  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-10 10:40 AM   #97 
  - not true. FDR had a republican majority upon entering office and passed new deal IMMEDIATELY  Land Shark   Feb-18-10 07:50 PM   #154 
  - I buy the part about the aristocratic name, but not the white skin. The racists who hate Obama  yurbud   Feb-18-10 10:11 AM   #87 
  - You mean DISrespect any Dem prez as they did Bubba. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-10 10:41 AM   #98 
     - thank you for the ''dis''!  yurbud   Feb-18-10 11:03 AM   #105 
        - You bet, bud!  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-10 11:11 AM   #109 
  - When the dust of the heartland descended on DC and Wall Street, things got easier for FDR.  DemoTex   Feb-18-10 10:27 AM   #89 
  - No Eleanor.  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-10 10:35 AM   #92 
  - Yes and no. Southern Democrats were VERY conservative. His majority wasn't  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-10 10:51 AM   #99 
  - So we went from "yes we can" to "no he can't because...."  liberation   Feb-18-10 10:55 AM   #102 
  - Exactly  zipplewrath   Feb-18-10 11:18 AM   #110 
  - +1  leftstreet   Feb-18-10 12:33 PM   #120 
  - +1  YOY   Feb-18-10 01:16 PM   #125 
  - This is exactly right.  Political Heretic   Feb-18-10 02:16 PM   #132 
  - thanks for sharing wisdom!  mimitabby   Feb-18-10 11:03 AM   #106 
  - Sometimes I ponder, (not that I want it) another 4 years of republican rule...  Javaman   Feb-18-10 11:34 AM   #113 
  - Even with all that, FDR was still obstructed.  4lbs   Feb-18-10 11:52 AM   #115 
  - FDR proposed the New Deal with Republican Senate majorities, then built that to 76 Dem senate votes.  2 Much Tribulation   Feb-18-10 02:03 PM   #131 
  - Dems need to kwitcherbichen  BenjaminFranklin   Feb-18-10 01:28 PM   #126 
  - THat doesn't feel to me like a huge distinction with FDR's situation, more like excuse-making  Land Shark   Feb-18-10 01:40 PM   #128 
  - I disagree -- "Obama: the stimulus has saved us from a depression" ---  defendandprotect   Feb-18-10 01:46 PM   #129 
  - Totally UNTRUE: "FDR had a Democratic majority in Congress that dwarfed that which we have now."  2 Much Tribulation   Feb-18-10 01:53 PM   #130 
  - What spin!  ProSense   Feb-18-10 02:33 PM   #135 
  - Yes this is a very different time when the Robber Barons are inside the Government  omega minimo   Feb-18-10 06:43 PM   #147 
  - Yes, of course, it's a different time and that's what the woman  Cha   Feb-19-10 04:56 AM   #162 
  - Oh you and your pesky "facts"  omega minimo   Feb-18-10 06:29 PM   #145 
  - Wish I could Agree  november3rd   Feb-18-10 02:25 PM   #134 
  - I share your sentiments. Of course, the situations aren't identical.  Mithreal   Feb-18-10 04:44 PM   #137 
  - Yeah, NOW "people are losing everything and everything's covered in PERCEPTION MANAGEMENT'  omega minimo   Feb-18-10 05:47 PM   #142 
  - +1  Mithreal   Feb-18-10 06:18 PM   #143 
  - Not true.  Cha   Feb-19-10 05:02 AM   #165 
     - It's smoke and mirrors. One puff and the illusion is gone.  omega minimo   Feb-19-10 09:49 PM   #176 
        - You poor poor things.  Cha   Feb-19-10 10:13 PM   #177 
  - Rich, power, and a traitor to his class.  Grand Taurean   Feb-18-10 06:26 PM   #144 
  - And FDR didn't give 7 billion in taxpayer money (future debt) to his banker friends  Nikki Stone1   Feb-18-10 07:34 PM   #150 
  - Of course, they're different and like the woman in the OP  Cha   Feb-19-10 05:05 AM   #166 
  - "The bottom line was that FDR was in a much better position to effect sweeping changes....  pnorman   Feb-18-10 07:46 PM   #152 
  - No, the bottom line is FDR passed the New Deal immediately after election w/ republican Senate MAJ  Land Shark   Feb-18-10 07:56 PM   #156 
  - I'll stnd by my original assertion.  pnorman   Feb-18-10 08:22 PM   #157 
  - .  Mithreal   Feb-19-10 03:29 AM   #159 
     - "Elderly fart", puleaze! Let's keep things civil here ar DU!  pnorman   Feb-19-10 06:16 AM   #169 
  - Wha!??!! F**K FACTS!!! /sarcasm <- cause it needs to be said around here  uponit7771   Feb-19-10 03:38 PM   #173 
     - The lady in the OP story  Obamacare   Feb-20-10 12:30 AM   #178 
 

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