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54. I'm surprised so many people are so narrowed.
So Kucinich who voted countlessly against many things that might have been beneficial don't count. Or maybe Feingold who wanted to go after Obama's Czars with a few Repubs doesn't count either. The point being that the Repubs tend to be united no matter what. The left not so much.

Further more, many people were putting a lot of pressure on Obama, which is understandable and needed, however what I noticed was that the pressure was solely on him. Obama failed on this, Obama failed on that. No one seemed too focus on the Congress.

I saw one thread that was fantastic on tryng to get more liberals in Congress and unseating other Dems. Where is that thread---disappeared basically and it had a list of people. That's what we should be looking at. Congress is fucking up our president. Congress is the one that had this Admin at a disadvantage for a year because it held up all of his officers. I mean if people not realizing that Obama is not a Dictator who can wave a wand and make things happen by himself...

I didn't see much on that end and for those who did do it, I didn't see us pulling the local media. Who gives a fuck abot CNN or MSNBC we need the local media and definitely pushing the right people all over the nation.

If Congress really had a lot of political pressure from the left as they claim to get from teabaggers and I mean serious pressure on a regular basis they woudln't work to undermine the President as so many has. Even Obama has spoken out about how Repubs wanted to pass a bill, created and signed by 7 of them and once he agreed with them, they voted no.

So when you take that into context you have a President who is facing a concerted effort to make him look bad and further more, we have people who are set out to create unrest between his base and himself.

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  -The Guardian: We have let Barack Obama down Writer  Feb-14-10 10:17 AM   #0 
  - Like Bill Clinton, ALL the pressure on him comes from the Right. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-14-10 10:19 AM   #1 
  - I think the Left has given Obama pressure as well. As we should. But when push comes to shove.  Liberal_Stalwart71   Feb-14-10 11:14 AM   #64 
  - KnR  Uzybone   Feb-14-10 10:21 AM   #2 
  - So many ways this is bullshit. How should I count them?  closeupready   Feb-14-10 10:22 AM   #3 
  - If these issues were so important to you, then why didn't you stand up and fight? n/t  Writer   Feb-14-10 10:26 AM   #4 
  - You're being as presumptuous as Mr. Sigal, but maybe you feel you were a disappointment as well?  closeupready   Feb-14-10 10:30 AM   #6 
  - Again - why didn't you stand and fight for what you believed in? n/t  Writer   Feb-14-10 10:33 AM   #10 
     - Why have you been such a disappointment? Why did you let Obama down?  closeupready   Feb-14-10 10:58 AM   #44 
        - And a third time: Why didn't you stand up for what you believed in? n/t  Writer   Feb-14-10 11:03 AM   # 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-14-10 11:07 AM   #59 
           - Well said!  JVS   Feb-14-10 11:08 AM   #62 
           - What gives you the right to assume that poster, or any other poster,  donheld   Feb-14-10 10:14 PM   #148 
           - We DID and we HAVE BEEN.  Smashcut   Feb-15-10 12:30 AM   #159 
  - I have. I've been to protests, organized protests; created buttons, posters, leaflets,  readmoreoften   Feb-14-10 02:47 PM   #99 
  - didnt you know? whining on a message board is "fighting the good fight"  dionysus   Feb-15-10 08:09 AM   #164 
  - I'm brand new here  beaujolais   Feb-14-10 12:51 PM   #86 
     - Let's back up for a moment  closeupready   Feb-14-10 02:47 PM   #98 
     - He bailed out Wall Street, escalated the war, and is trying to ram...  WorseBeforeBetter   Feb-14-10 08:37 PM   #129 
  - Oh, so now we're going from "It's only been X months, be patient" to "You didn't complain enough"?  JVS   Feb-14-10 10:26 AM   #5 
  - Hilarious, isn't it. eom  Hello_Kitty   Feb-14-10 10:36 AM   #16 
  - Frankly, it's abusive mentality. "You should have told me not to fuck you over" is not...  JVS   Feb-14-10 10:38 AM   #18 
  - Oh you complained. But to the President and not so much the real problem: Congress.  vaberella   Feb-14-10 10:54 AM   #42 
  - "Executive orders" and "recess appointments" are two different things, I hope you know that. eom  tledford   Feb-14-10 09:02 PM   #133 
  - Nailed it! My gawd, the NERVE of it!  scarletwoman   Feb-14-10 11:04 AM   #53 
  - Oh dear God. I had nearly forgotten about the ponies!  JVS   Feb-14-10 11:40 AM   #72 
  - Ponies are pass. Now it's all about the magic wand. n/t  QC   Feb-14-10 12:05 PM   #81 
  - Brilliantly said, as always. n/t  QC   Feb-14-10 12:04 PM   #79 
  - Exactly. Thank you, SW!  inna   Feb-14-10 04:44 PM   #107 
  - Yeah, my head's spinning over that one, too. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-14-10 11:29 AM   #69 
  - If there were riots in the streets, they'd blame it on that.  readmoreoften   Feb-14-10 02:49 PM   #100 
  - LOL. Perfectly and succinctly put.  Smashcut   Feb-15-10 12:31 AM   #160 
  - OK, I just posted this too  mogster   Feb-14-10 10:30 AM   #7 
  - The blame the Democrats only meme is getting very old  Peacetrain   Feb-14-10 10:30 AM   #8 
  - I mostly agree, but...  stevenleser   Feb-14-10 10:30 AM   #9 
  - I'm sorry, no. This blame is horribly misplaced.  Prism   Feb-14-10 10:34 AM   #11 
  - The only person who can choose to be silent is you. n/t  Writer   Feb-14-10 10:34 AM   #12 
  - The only person who can choose what policies Obama pursues is Obama.  JVS   Feb-14-10 10:35 AM   #13 
  - So you have chosen to give up and go home, it seems. n/t  Writer   Feb-14-10 10:38 AM   #19 
  - Don't make assumptions.  JVS   Feb-14-10 10:40 AM   #27 
     - You are the second member here about whom he's made assumptions.  closeupready   Feb-14-10 11:01 AM   #50 
  - Of course. Health care reform is a poor policy.  vaberella   Feb-14-10 10:56 AM   #43 
  - The only one who can choose to hear is the President  Prism   Feb-14-10 10:36 AM   #15 
     - I see no one in the streets.  Writer   Feb-14-10 10:37 AM   #17 
        - Then you weren't looking  Prism   Feb-14-10 10:39 AM   #20 
        - Thank you. I went to every one that I could.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-14-10 10:40 AM   #25 
        - THEN KEEP FIGHTING!!! n/t  Writer   Feb-14-10 10:40 AM   #26 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-14-10 10:41 AM   #29 
        - Again, with regard to the person to whom you are responding, I hear a guilty conscience -  closeupready   Feb-14-10 11:03 AM   #51 
        - Baucus had single payer activists arrested in the fucking capitol building.  JVS   Feb-14-10 10:39 AM   #22 
        - no, wait, don't interfere with this bullshit blaming of the victim  RainDog   Feb-14-10 02:59 PM   #105 
        - Barney Frank noted that AARP is one of the most successful lobbying outfits in DC  RainDog   Feb-14-10 02:58 PM   #104 
  - As a group, where were folks on the left when the Teabaggers were doing their schtick?  stevenleser   Feb-14-10 10:40 AM   #23 
  - Getting arrested by Max "fuckface" Baucus without Obama giving a shit.  JVS   Feb-14-10 10:42 AM   #32 
  - Also, teabaggers had coordination. If the administration had chosen not to de-activate OFA...  JVS   Feb-14-10 10:45 AM   #34 
  - Nevermind  stevenleser   Feb-14-10 10:49 AM   #36 
  - You mean the media out-worked us  Prism   Feb-14-10 10:53 AM   #40 
  - Besides, we were told to wait until we see the bill!  JVS   Feb-14-10 10:54 AM   #41 
  - The public option will be in the bill!  Prism   Feb-14-10 10:59 AM   #47 
     - HE'S DOING ALL HE CAN!!! LEAVE OBAMA ALONE!!! IT'S CHESS!  JVS   Feb-14-10 11:00 AM   #48 
        - YOU NEVER LIEKD HIM!1!!!!!!111  QC   Feb-14-10 12:12 PM   #82 
  - No, they didn't. There was no sustained effort in what you are describing and the numbers  stevenleser   Feb-14-10 11:03 AM   #52 
     - Additionally, perhaps you weren't paying attention, but many in the media fought the teabaggers  stevenleser   Feb-14-10 11:06 AM   #56 
     - IIRC, they named themselves teabaggers.  intheflow   Feb-14-10 11:30 AM   #70 
        - All correct. But only the media could make that into what it has become.  stevenleser   Feb-14-10 11:54 AM   #75 
        - Teabagger is some sexual slur?  beaujolais   Feb-14-10 01:04 PM   #92 
           - To dunk one's scrotum onto a partner, particularly into the mouth, is called teabagging.  JVS   Feb-14-10 01:13 PM   #93 
              - OK Got it!  beaujolais   Feb-14-10 01:24 PM   #94 
     - We showed up at town halls. We had rallies of our own here in AZ.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-14-10 11:07 AM   #58 
     - No, no  Prism   Feb-14-10 11:34 AM   #71 
        - Yes, yes  stevenleser   Feb-14-10 11:55 AM   #76 
  - You're giving way too much credit to the teabaggers.  hay rick   Feb-14-10 09:02 PM   #134 
  - Yes you did  treestar   Feb-14-10 07:18 PM   #119 
     - No one expected miracles. We expected leadership.  Zenlitened   Feb-14-10 08:07 PM   #124 
        - You are sitting there waiting for goodies to be delivered to you  treestar   Feb-14-10 08:19 PM   #127 
           - You make a lot of assumptions and accusations.  Zenlitened   Feb-14-10 08:39 PM   #130 
  - When the left stood up and fought Rahm called them "fucking retarded". eom  Hello_Kitty   Feb-14-10 10:36 AM   #14 
  - He called *one* of their strategies "fucking retarded", so your statement is pure BS  Bodhi BloodWave   Feb-14-10 10:39 AM   #21 
  - What was the strategy and why was it "fucking retarded" to pursue, Bodhi?  Hello_Kitty   Feb-14-10 10:42 AM   #30 
  - Campaigning against people who were blocking HCR, which now we're being chastised for not doing.  JVS   Feb-14-10 10:46 AM   #35 
     - Yup. There's nothing that can't be blamed on those dirty hippies. eom  Hello_Kitty   Feb-14-10 10:49 AM   #37 
        - Yes, although last year every complaint seemed to be answered with  JVS   Feb-14-10 10:50 AM   #38 
  - GIve me FUCKING break. You don't treat your troops that way.  closeupready   Feb-14-10 11:06 AM   #57 
     - That's the "moderate centrists" goal  JVS   Feb-14-10 11:07 AM   # 
  - No, Rahm called their ACTIONS (running ads against their own party) fucking retarded.  tridim   Feb-14-10 10:40 AM   #24 
     - Because it was members of their own party who were obstructing HCR.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-14-10 10:41 AM   #28 
  - Ok, so let's fix it.  fasttense   Feb-14-10 10:42 AM   #31 
  - The "Left" undermined him from day one and it's been downhill from then  impik   Feb-14-10 10:44 AM   #33 
  - Right, it's all the fault of those dirty fucking hippies.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-14-10 10:52 AM   #39 
  - I'm surprised so many people are so narrowed.  vaberella   Feb-14-10 11:04 AM   #54 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-14-10 11:50 AM   #74 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-14-10 12:40 PM   #84 
  - you make him out to be a victim. I do not see him fighting for a robust  vegiegals   Feb-14-10 11:42 AM   #73 
  - So "the left" undermine him by protesting and are responsible for not protesting enough.  readmoreoften   Feb-14-10 02:51 PM   #101 
  - Bullshit.  DisgustedInMN   Feb-14-10 10:58 AM   #45 
  - This is just a dry run for November  Prism   Feb-14-10 11:01 AM   #49 
  - Well, there will be plenty of blame to go around.  jefferson_dem   Feb-14-10 10:21 PM   #151 
  - Obama didn't fumble. The left let him get blitzed by the Repukes  WonderGrunion   Feb-14-10 02:12 PM   #97 
     - Horsefeathers.  DisgustedInMN   Feb-14-10 05:15 PM   #109 
     - Let me sure I understand this. Rahm says they don't need the left  dflprincess   Feb-14-10 09:37 PM   #141 
        - Yeppers..  DisgustedInMN   Feb-15-10 08:31 AM   #167 
  - K&R!  JTFrog   Feb-14-10 10:58 AM   #46 
  - I agree with this. n/t  vaberella   Feb-14-10 11:05 AM   #55 
  - I'm so sick of this horseshit. While we were ready to fight, he was cutting deals with Pharma  DrToast   Feb-14-10 11:07 AM   #60 
  - There it is in a nutshell. Well said!  scarletwoman   Feb-14-10 12:29 PM   #83 
  - +1  readmoreoften   Feb-14-10 02:51 PM   #102 
  - You let home do this? tsk tsk!  Rosa Luxemburg   Feb-14-10 08:07 PM   #123 
  - Tripe  Bluenorthwest   Feb-14-10 11:07 AM   #61 
  - It's half right. Half of the Dems sat back and waited while the other half  Phx_Dem   Feb-14-10 11:14 AM   #63 
  - Agree ... the impatience and nit-picking in our own ranks weakens us.  JoePhilly   Feb-14-10 11:14 AM   #65 
  - Oh my God! This is written by a member of the Chicago Machine  Bluenorthwest   Feb-14-10 11:17 AM   #66 
  - The first thing I did was look for the name  Prism   Feb-14-10 11:26 AM   #68 
  - Tell us more about this guy, for the benefit of those not familiar with Chicago.  QC   Feb-14-10 12:49 PM   #85 
  - The blurb in his bio says this:  closeupready   Feb-14-10 12:53 PM   #87 
  - Further, since hes a screenwriter and a novelist, lol, this piece must be a future work-in-progress?  closeupready   Feb-14-10 12:54 PM   #88 
  - This is from "The Onion"...It must be.  bvar22   Feb-14-10 11:26 AM   #67 
  - K&R! n/t  firedupdem   Feb-14-10 11:57 AM   #77 
  - Exactly right!!!  JamesA1102   Feb-14-10 12:00 PM   #78 
  - Bullshit.  LWolf   Feb-14-10 12:04 PM   #80 
  - Indeed.  McCamy Taylor   Feb-14-10 12:57 PM   #89 
  - Sure, why not? Blame us.  asdjrocky   Feb-14-10 12:59 PM   #90 
  - It reminds me of the old: "If you didn't nag me so much I wouldn't hit you!"  QC   Feb-14-10 01:02 PM   #91 
     - Yeah.  asdjrocky   Feb-14-10 01:26 PM   #95 
     - Except he's also saying "if you don't nag me more, I'll hit you too."  readmoreoften   Feb-14-10 02:53 PM   #103 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-14-10 09:39 PM   #142 
        - Yes, they are pretty much a mirror image  QC   Feb-14-10 10:07 PM   #145 
           - Wow. That's a different take....  Forkboy   Feb-14-10 10:09 PM   #146 
  - K&R  HopeOverFear   Feb-14-10 02:03 PM   #96 
  - Utter bullshit. nt  Enthusiast   Feb-14-10 04:31 PM   #106 
  - This is simply what happens when leaders don't lead  depakid   Feb-14-10 04:46 PM   #108 
  - A-fucking-men!  scarletwoman   Feb-14-10 05:38 PM   #111 
  - Maybe if I were better, or prettier or nicer...  asdjrocky   Feb-14-10 05:17 PM   #110 
  - thank you. exactly.  RainDog   Feb-14-10 05:40 PM   #112 
  - Bullshit  Kltpzyxm   Feb-14-10 05:42 PM   #113 
  - Thanks for the post, Writer! Happy to rec. Great read  Number23   Feb-14-10 06:00 PM   #114 
  - Wait. First you were posting that we criticize him TOO MUCH.  freddie mertz   Feb-14-10 06:04 PM   #115 
  - Kick &Recommended!  butterfly77   Feb-14-10 06:09 PM   #116 
  - Totally agree. Many of us thought our work was done once we removed the Republicans from the WH..  DCBob   Feb-14-10 06:45 PM   #117 
  - What will motivate us again?  dflprincess   Feb-15-10 12:54 PM   #171 
  - Amen! Amen! Amen!  treestar   Feb-14-10 07:15 PM   #118 
  - Hahaha, Obama "delivered" alright...  WorseBeforeBetter   Feb-14-10 09:05 PM   #135 
  - Um... what part of "winning" does this guy not understand?  Zenlitened   Feb-14-10 07:46 PM   #120 
  - Bravo!!!!  scarletwoman   Feb-14-10 08:06 PM   #122 
  - Yep, I wonder about that, too.  Zenlitened   Feb-14-10 09:13 PM   #138 
  - You know, there is a left wing leader who rules a country and has demonstrations supporting him...  JVS   Feb-14-10 08:29 PM   #128 
     - LOL!  Zenlitened   Feb-14-10 08:42 PM   #131 
  - What happened to chill the fuck out, I got this  AllentownJake   Feb-14-10 07:54 PM   #121 
  - Get with the program, Jake! Liberals bad, Ben Nelson shitting all over HCR good!  JVS   Feb-14-10 08:08 PM   #125 
  - HE DOESNT' HAVE A MAGIC WAND!1!!!!!111!!!!11  QC   Feb-14-10 08:16 PM   #126 
     - But I gave you a toy pony because YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR A REAL ONE!!!!!!!!!!! Suck it up, LOSER!!!  closeupready   Feb-14-10 08:52 PM   #132 
        - YOU NEVER LIEKD HIM TO START WITH!1!!!!!!111  QC   Feb-14-10 09:06 PM   #136 
           - GEE, NUMBNUTS - DIDJA EVER THINK, HEY, MAYBE HE'S PLAYING A 4-DIMENSIONAL CHESS GAME??  closeupready   Feb-14-10 09:10 PM   #137 
              - Of course! That's why I chant his name in the grocery store.  QC   Feb-14-10 09:26 PM   #139 
  - As my friend says, correctly, hindsight is 50/50.  Forkboy   Feb-14-10 09:35 PM   #140 
  - This article just provides so many ways to go.  JVS   Feb-14-10 09:44 PM   #143 
     - It's a trend I've been noticing.  Forkboy   Feb-14-10 09:49 PM   #144 
        - I think I've figured it out.  scarletwoman   Feb-14-10 10:11 PM   #147 
           - We're honored to be led by the nose.  Forkboy   Feb-14-10 10:21 PM   #150 
  - Sadly I only have but one Rec to offer.  jefferson_dem   Feb-14-10 10:19 PM   #149 
  - Actually, I know quite well who my enemy is.  scarletwoman   Feb-14-10 10:26 PM   #152 
     - Ah...the dreaded "Ruling Class."  jefferson_dem   Feb-14-10 10:35 PM   #153 
        - You got nothing. Obviously.  scarletwoman   Feb-14-10 10:41 PM   #155 
        - I want nothing that you're selling perhaps.  jefferson_dem   Feb-14-10 10:52 PM   #156 
           - It doesn't much matter. We'll all be just as fucked whether or not you want to believe  scarletwoman   Feb-14-10 11:02 PM   #157 
        - It really is silly, isn't it?  QC   Feb-15-10 07:46 AM   #163 
        - Is there one - "a billionaire" - under your bed now...or in your closet?  jefferson_dem   Feb-15-10 09:52 AM   #169 
        - It was a paranoid delusion that a presidential campaign was interrupted to give figments $1,000,000,  rug   Feb-15-10 08:26 AM   #166 
  - I half agree with this.  dkf   Feb-14-10 10:38 PM   #154 
  - Oh what bullshit.  Smashcut   Feb-15-10 12:28 AM   #158 
  - Cut the whining ...  GeorgeGist   Feb-15-10 07:03 AM   #161 
  - What a complete pantload of spin. n/t  Tailormyst   Feb-15-10 07:07 AM   #162 
  - Bravo! NT  Clio the Leo   Feb-15-10 08:18 AM   #165 
  - NO we have NOT. Obama said to push him to do the right thing and we  vegiegals   Feb-15-10 08:54 AM   #168 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-15-10 10:49 AM   #170 
 

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