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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 04:46 PM
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5. The pubs were going to do it..... until the dems said they would not use it....

The pubs did not believe it took 2/3. Always a double standard.


The theory behind the "nuclear option" was that the Senate had the right to determine its own rules and that those rules could be determined on the basis of a majority vote. Democrats objected, arguing that the Senate's rules could not be changed without a 2/3 vote as stated in the Senate Rules themselves. Republicans countered that the Senate's power to govern itself was founded in the Constitution itself and that internal Senate Rules could not deny that power. <2>

In U.S. politics, the nuclear option is an attempt by a majority of the United States Senate to end a filibuster by invoking a point of order to essentially declare the filibuster unconstitutional which can be decided by a simple majority, rather than seeking formal cloture with a supermajority of 60 senators. Although it is not provided for in the formal rules of the Senate, the procedure is the subject of a 1957 parliamentary opinion and has been used on several occasions since. The term was coined by Senator Trent Lott (Republican of Mississippi) in 2005;<1> prior to this it was known as the constitutional option.<2>

The maneuver was brought to prominence in 2005 when then-Majority Leader Bill Frist (Republican of Tennessee) threatened its use to end Democratic-led filibusters of judicial nominees submitted by President George W. Bush. In response to this threat, Democrats threatened to shut down the Senate and prevent consideration of all routine and legislative Senate business. The ultimate confrontation was prevented by the Gang of 14, a group of seven Democratic and seven Republican Senators, all of whom agreed to oppose the nuclear option and oppose filibusters of judicial nominees, except in extraordinary circumstances.

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  -Reid nixes filibuster reform effort jefferson_dem  Feb-11-10 04:36 PM   #0 
  - Filibuster is okay,  Blue_In_AK   Feb-11-10 04:39 PM   #1 
  - Yeah, what you said!  cilla4progress   Feb-11-10 04:42 PM   #3 
  - Mike Gravel made that point  Blue_In_AK   Feb-11-10 04:51 PM   #7 
     - Gravel's a loose cannon but I agree with him on that idea  Armstead   Feb-11-10 04:58 PM   #12 
  - No it isn't.  earthside   Feb-11-10 04:53 PM   #9 
  - You missed my point.  Blue_In_AK   Feb-11-10 05:01 PM   #14 
     - But under the interpretation Reid supports ...  earthside   Feb-11-10 05:44 PM   #21 
  - Using a traditional filibuster is at the discretion of the minority.  SanchoPanza   Feb-11-10 06:04 PM   #22 
  - No it's not  DrToast   Feb-11-10 06:23 PM   #25 
  - Enjoy your retirement Harry.  Dr.Phool   Feb-11-10 04:42 PM   #2 
  - K & R Fake (procedural) filibusters can be ended under current Senate rules.  Better Believe It   Feb-11-10 04:43 PM   #4 
  - The pubs were going to do it..... until the dems said they would not use it....  wroberts189   Feb-11-10 04:46 PM   #5 
  - Harry seems happy with the status-quo. nt  rhett o rick   Feb-11-10 04:47 PM   #6 
  - Take the rule to the Supreme Court and see what it says...  Ozymanithrax   Feb-11-10 04:53 PM   #8 
  - Can't be done.  earthside   Feb-11-10 04:57 PM   #11 
     - That is an interesting fact....  Ozymanithrax   Feb-11-10 05:05 PM   #16 
  - I would like to hear Harkin and Shaheen's plan for getting the 7 add'l GOP votes to pass this thing.  quiet.american   Feb-11-10 04:54 PM   #10 
  - Let me get this straight.....We don't use the filibuster when we're in the minority, but...  Armstead   Feb-11-10 05:01 PM   #13 
  - Joe Biden, acting as President of the Senate, can rule that 51 Senate votes can end filibusters  Better Believe It   Feb-11-10 05:02 PM   #15 
  - Exactly. Which means Harry Reid is both corrupt and spineless.  Jennicut   Feb-12-10 08:41 AM   #33 
  - Not a chance.  bvar22   Feb-11-10 05:06 PM   #17 
  - Bingo! n/t  QC   Feb-11-10 05:08 PM   #18 
  - Senator Reid forced Republicans to engage in a traditional filibuster in 2007!  Better Believe It   Feb-11-10 05:09 PM   #19 
  - Lots of good info in this thread.  iceman66   Feb-11-10 05:37 PM   #20 
  - Fine. We can wait ten months for his idiot ass to get thrown out of office and do it THEN.  Kitsune   Feb-11-10 06:05 PM   #23 
  - Someone bonk him on the head...hard. nt  BootinUp   Feb-11-10 06:23 PM   #24 
  - President Obama and his chief bonker, Rahm "Sharp Elbows" Emanual could do it, but they won't.  Better Believe It   Feb-11-10 09:39 PM   #28 
  - Which is why the vote won't happen until January...  Clio the Leo   Feb-11-10 09:32 PM   #26 
  - But will there be 51 Democrats in the Senate in January?  Better Believe It   Feb-11-10 09:36 PM   #27 
     - Yeah .... we have too much time to catch up.  Clio the Leo   Feb-11-10 09:46 PM   #30 
  - Senator Reid is incorrect  grantcart   Feb-11-10 09:43 PM   #29 
  - They had better fucking fix this in the next Congress...  krispos42   Feb-12-10 02:03 AM   #31 
  - Enforce a REAL filibuster not the threat of one!  JCMach1   Feb-12-10 04:28 AM   #32 
  - And in other news: Nelson joins Republicans to filibuster Obama NLRB nominee  depakid   Feb-12-10 09:31 AM   #34 

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