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Wed Feb-03-10 06:55 PM
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| 8. How can it be a starting place for reform... |
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...when it does nothing to address the very issue that the arbiters of healthcare are for-profit companies with an interest in MAKING MONEY and not PROVIDING HEALTHCARE?
Why were the antitrust provisions stripped out? Why were the regulations on the insurance companies weakened to the point of laughability? Why do people have ANY CONFIDENCE WHATSOEVER that what regulations ARE there will be enforced when the insurance industry has been so successful in stripping out what they don't want?
What are we getting from the insurance industry in exchange for mandated purchase of health insurance?
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| -Reconciliation will NOT include public option |
deaniac83 |
Feb-03-10 06:38 PM |
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Well, then, November elections will not include reelection. |
begin_within |
Feb-03-10 06:41 PM |
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You have a vote in all 435 |
deaniac83 |
Feb-03-10 06:42 PM |
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Seems they took the wrong lesson from Mass. nt |
polichick |
Feb-03-10 06:46 PM |
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Bunch of slow learners at best. |
avaistheone1 |
Feb-07-10 02:23 AM |
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the senate bill is not healthcare reform |
ibegurpard |
Feb-03-10 06:43 PM |
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There is a LOT more to it than that |
deaniac83 |
Feb-03-10 06:49 PM |
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How can it be a starting place for reform... |
ibegurpard |
Feb-03-10 06:55 PM |
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The Senate bill does address that |
deaniac83 |
Feb-03-10 07:05 PM |
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What, a four-figure out-of-pocket charge is not junk insurance? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Feb-05-10 10:37 AM |
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EXACTLY! |
rapturedbyrobots |
Feb-05-10 03:54 PM |
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You can post the entire thing here instead of directing people to your blog. n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Feb-03-10 06:47 PM |
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The problem with that |
deaniac83 |
Feb-03-10 06:52 PM |
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Sorry I do not see anything fancy at your blog that could not be posted ... |
slipslidingaway |
Feb-03-10 07:47 PM |
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Maybe he's afraid of violating his own copyright. |
spoony |
Feb-05-10 06:56 AM |
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This is really twisting Pelosi's words |
ProSense |
Feb-03-10 06:57 PM |
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Good point. eom |
leveymg |
Feb-03-10 07:05 PM |
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In the post |
deaniac83 |
Feb-03-10 07:06 PM |
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That's pure speculation. |
ProSense |
Feb-03-10 07:13 PM |
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No, it's not speculation |
deaniac83 |
Feb-03-10 07:18 PM |
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"There are over 10 senators on the fence about reconciliation of ANY kind. " |
ProSense |
Feb-03-10 07:20 PM |
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Ahem, Pelosi declared it dead. |
deaniac83 |
Feb-03-10 07:26 PM |
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No, she didn't. n/t |
ProSense |
Feb-03-10 07:26 PM |
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Yeah, she did. n/t |
deaniac83 |
Feb-03-10 07:29 PM |
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Pelosi can't declare it dead based on what the Senate will do. n/t |
ProSense |
Feb-03-10 07:31 PM |
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WTF!! Is Pelosi in the Senate now? |
Dawgs |
Feb-05-10 07:37 AM |
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The reconciliation votes are there is Obama and Biden push and twist arms to put it in. |
leveymg |
Feb-03-10 07:27 PM |
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Yes, that's it. |
deaniac83 |
Feb-03-10 07:33 PM |
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Umm, not twisting. Her words |
deaniac83 |
Feb-03-10 07:19 PM |
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If there's a substantial expansion of Medicare, then this will happen. If not, it won't. |
leveymg |
Feb-03-10 07:03 PM |
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It won't happen |
deaniac83 |
Feb-03-10 07:08 PM |
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If Congress hasn't learned 1 thing since Brown's election, then they deserve to be voted out in Nov. |
leveymg |
Feb-03-10 07:21 PM |
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Obviously, you and I have different political calculus |
deaniac83 |
Feb-03-10 07:23 PM |
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We agree on that much. Bottom-line calculus is political survival of the Democratic Party |
leveymg |
Feb-03-10 07:31 PM |
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A deficient bill can still be decent |
deaniac83 |
Feb-03-10 07:34 PM |
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nope |
ibegurpard |
Feb-03-10 07:37 PM |
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Regulations-wise |
deaniac83 |
Feb-03-10 07:42 PM |
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Would you buy a deficient car, twice? |
leveymg |
Feb-03-10 07:38 PM |
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Deficient and decent, yes |
deaniac83 |
Feb-03-10 07:45 PM |
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Delete n/t |
ProSense |
Feb-03-10 07:12 PM |
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instead of subsidies,control premiums, profits, and exec compensation |
yurbud |
Feb-03-10 07:35 PM |
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Just because you say "add" |
deaniac83 |
Feb-03-10 07:36 PM |
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the democrats negotiated back-asswards. they started with what was acceptabe to the corrupt |
yurbud |
Feb-03-10 10:57 PM |
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Thanks for the Monday morning quarterbacking |
deaniac83 |
Feb-04-10 04:19 AM |
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that's a great talking point. Should criminals be allowed to use it as a defense in court? |
yurbud |
Feb-04-10 08:37 AM |
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So you think being 3% better than the GOP and shitting on your base is a winning strategy? |
yurbud |
Feb-04-10 08:43 AM |
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If The Dems push the HCR Bill through reconciliation WITHOUT a Public Option... |
bvar22 |
Feb-03-10 08:42 PM |
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Well said. No way mandates w'out a public option is going to win at the ballot box. |
harun |
Feb-03-10 11:17 PM |
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well said |
ibegurpard |
Feb-03-10 11:36 PM |
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Well said. And that's exactly what's going to happen. |
leveymg |
Feb-04-10 05:19 AM |
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I dont think it is wise to force through a "completely DEMOCRATIC Bill".. |
DCBob |
Feb-04-10 06:24 AM |
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The Republicans are going to become MORE polarized? |
bvar22 |
Feb-04-10 12:37 PM |
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Yes, and it could turn Independents away as well.. |
DCBob |
Feb-05-10 06:46 AM |
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You don't understand.... |
bvar22 |
Feb-05-10 10:46 AM |
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I Love Your Sig Line. May I Borrow It? |
Dinger |
Feb-04-10 06:35 AM |
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Paul said it, |
bvar22 |
Feb-04-10 11:55 AM |
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Thank You bvar22! |
Dinger |
Feb-04-10 01:33 PM |
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Sing it brother! |
Puglover |
Feb-04-10 08:00 AM |
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"By their works you will know them." Indeed. nt |
polichick |
Feb-06-10 02:14 PM |
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What reconciliation? The Democrats don't want to anger the republicans, so it will not happen. nt |
AlinPA |
Feb-03-10 08:57 PM |
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Ding, ding, ding!! |
niceypoo |
Feb-04-10 09:58 AM |
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I never doubted that. The whole thing has been for the senate to make improvements thru |
WI_DEM |
Feb-04-10 08:40 AM |
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Public Option couldn't be done through reconcilliation even if |
quiller4 |
Feb-06-10 02:31 AM |
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Am I right to presume that the "death" of the public option would please you? |
freddie mertz |
Feb-04-10 12:56 PM |
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Why postulate that they are against each other? |
karynnj |
Feb-05-10 07:57 AM |
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From my experience, this particular "deaniac" is a dedicated "centrist" and lefty-basher. |
freddie mertz |
Feb-05-10 10:24 AM |
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I totally disagree |
karynnj |
Feb-05-10 03:15 PM |
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I assume nothing, and am in fact an actual Dean supporter-then and now. |
freddie mertz |
Feb-05-10 05:14 PM |
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Then, luckily, this bill will die and we can start over again in the future. |
Milo_Bloom |
Feb-05-10 10:54 AM |
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out of curiosity; how many deaths is this victory worth for you? |
Bodhi BloodWave |
Feb-06-10 02:10 PM |
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The bill saves 0 lives. |
Milo_Bloom |
Feb-06-10 10:18 PM |
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If the final bill doesn't offer something like a PO or Medicare buy in I fear for the Dems in 2010 |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Feb-06-10 02:29 PM |
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