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Just an old Vet's take on DADT and gays in the military...
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First, the obvious, gays have always served in every army and navy throughout time.

With that said, the rest is relatively easy to comprehend; there is no valid reason to keep gays from serving within the uniformed services or any other branch of government. What has been used in the past is the same thing that was used against blacks and others from serving, through some odd thought processes, it was thought that blacks "weren't up to snuff". Today, we see that as ludicrous, but at one time it was taken as if it were written in stone. An aside here, but during the Revolution and the Civil War, black patriots proved their worth many times over, only to return to a status far below that of their brothers in arms. The travesty of that cannot be overstated. During the Spanish American War, WWI, and WWII, basically the same thing happened, although to a slightly lesser extent. Truman and Korea set the stage for desegregation of the services. Truman's move was a bold one, but it paid off, just as it would have paid off if desegregation had taken place earlier.

Throughout all of this, gays served, hiding their orientation. The discrimination was overt but an individual's sexual orientation has little to do with his/her ability to perform what is necessary in combat, combat support or rear echelon duties. When one is in a firefight, all you care about is whether the individuals you are with can shoot and move to take the position you are obliged to take. It comes down to...your life is the hands of competent people, and their lives are in your are out there fighting to keep each other alive, and gender, color, religion, place of origin or sexual orientation has nothing to do with the equation. We've learned over time that gender, color, religion, (or lack thereof), and place of origin were absurd reasons to keep individuals from serving; this last barrier must be taken down as well. Gays have served with distinction in the past and the present, there is no valid reason for discrimination any longer, (actually, there never was).

Gays have bled on battlefields across the world, many of them are buried in our military cemeteries, many of them have been awarded Purple Hearts, and the high decorations for valor. They accept these awards from a grateful nation, yet remained silent about a part of their lives. We, as a nation, owe it to these men and women to remove this barrier from their lives.

For those who are willing to sacrifice their time, limbs, lives defending this nation, we owe it to them to ensure they are not treated like second class citizens because of their sexual orientation. We are fighting for Equal Rights for all when we fight for the basic Human Rights each and every man woman and child are born with. To deny Equal Rights to anyone, denies them for all.

The military has been the vanguard for many social changes, I believe it will be again on this issue.

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  -Just an old Vet's take on DADT and gays in the military... rasputin1952  Feb-03-10 01:12 PM   #0 
  - This veteran agrees.  DevonRex   Feb-03-10 01:14 PM   #1 
  - So does this one!  CLANG   Feb-03-10 01:18 PM   #2 
  - As does this vet.  sarge43   Feb-03-10 01:41 PM   #5 
  - me too!  Ernesto   Feb-03-10 01:46 PM   #6 
  - As does this one!  PSzymeczek   Feb-03-10 09:05 PM   #16 
  - I'll throw another "Me Too" in.  HawkerHurricane   Feb-03-10 09:22 PM   #17 
  - And this one.  JohnnyLib2   Feb-03-10 09:59 PM   #19 
  - And another veteran says, "Hell yes!!!"  bluescribbler   Feb-04-10 08:16 AM   #37 
  - So does this gay veteran  BR_Parkway   Feb-04-10 10:31 AM   #47 
  - and this one too...  AnotherDreamWeaver   Feb-04-10 12:07 PM   #70 
  - I'll salute that.  Lasher   Feb-04-10 11:21 AM   #62 
  - ...and this one too.  Bobbie Jo   Feb-04-10 12:44 PM   #78 
  - I agree. The US was able to gain it's independence b/c of a well known gay general from Prussia.  vaberella   Feb-03-10 01:24 PM   #3 
  - Thank you, for your OP, Ras.  Cha   Feb-03-10 01:30 PM   #4 
  - Great Article  kmac3   Feb-04-10 09:35 AM   #43 
  - Great post ras! K&R. n/t  Fire1   Feb-03-10 01:52 PM   #7 
  - If they can't stand up to each other, how can they stand up to al-Qaeda? n/t  Orsino   Feb-03-10 01:57 PM   #8 
  - I am not a veteran  mstinamotorcity   Feb-03-10 02:12 PM   #9 
  - One need not be a vet to see what's right and what's wrong...  rasputin1952   Feb-03-10 03:42 PM   #12 
  - long overdue  handmade34   Feb-03-10 02:13 PM   #10 
  - Curiously, one of my only gay experiences was when my First Sergeant, drunk, sneaked in  Ron Green   Feb-03-10 02:13 PM   #11 
  - Atta boy  anachro1   Feb-04-10 08:32 AM   #39 
  - Thank you.  northofdenali   Feb-03-10 08:20 PM   #13 
  - rasputin1952 thanks for sharing the truth  MadMaddie   Feb-03-10 08:31 PM   #14 
  - that's a great theory  Voice for Peace   Feb-04-10 07:23 AM   #31 
  - As a non-military member of a multi-generation military family, I agree  slackmaster   Feb-03-10 09:03 PM   #15 
  - Recommend  TexasObserver   Feb-03-10 09:52 PM   #18 
  - roger  The Wizard   Feb-03-10 10:03 PM   #20 
  - Thank you for saying this so well. rec. n/t  Tyo   Feb-03-10 10:13 PM   #21 
  - Great post, Rasputin. When I saw and heard Admiral Mullen respond to Senator Sessions  bertman   Feb-03-10 10:44 PM   #22 
  - Wasn't Admiral Mullen great?  offog   Feb-06-10 09:58 AM   #86 
     - I think he did an excellent job, and with the backing of Powell  rasputin1952   Feb-06-10 03:22 PM   #87 
  - Another Vet in agreement  jaysunb   Feb-03-10 10:54 PM   #23 
  - dadt  billancourt   Feb-03-10 11:10 PM   #24 
  - Welcome to DU  jaysunb   Feb-03-10 11:15 PM   #25 
  - Welcome to DU...  rasputin1952   Feb-04-10 05:13 AM   #29 
  - Welcome to DU  sarge43   Feb-04-10 07:56 AM   #34 
  - I'm not a veteran, and I'm not gay. . .but I wholeheartedly agree and thank you for your honesty  MindandSoul   Feb-03-10 11:35 PM   #26 
  - I'm not gay either, but I am a human being...  rasputin1952   Feb-04-10 08:06 AM   #36 
     - What you realized does you credit. I hope the military helps us to get more of the U.S. to--  Moonwalk   Feb-04-10 11:10 AM   #58 
     - Rant on!!!  rasputin1952   Feb-04-10 11:20 AM   #61 
     - Does anyone know if there is a group of "heterosexual for gay rights?"  MindandSoul   Feb-04-10 05:25 PM   #81 
  - Another vet in solidarity. It's about time to realize that gays in the military  old mark   Feb-04-10 04:16 AM   #27 
  - This vet agrees  era veteran   Feb-04-10 05:00 AM   #28 
  - You know that this vet agrees  MrScorpio   Feb-04-10 05:14 AM   #30 
  - K & Highly rec'd  Christa   Feb-04-10 07:29 AM   #32 
  - Rec'd! nt  babylonsister   Feb-04-10 07:37 AM   #33 
  - Thank you  euphoria12leo   Feb-04-10 08:05 AM   # 
  - Thank you  euphoria12leo   Feb-04-10 08:05 AM   #35 
  - Can I recommend this thread only ONCE?  Jeff In Milwaukee   Feb-04-10 08:21 AM   #38 
  - Everyone in my squad got a fair shake  pasto76   Feb-04-10 08:41 AM   #40 
  - There's only one question that may be ask of anyone who serves.  sarge43   Feb-04-10 08:48 AM   #41 
  - The Right is putting forth an argument that proves they don't know about the military  jmowreader   Feb-04-10 09:07 AM   #42 
  - Generally speaking, the military is known for it's sloth-like pace in  rasputin1952   Feb-04-10 09:58 AM   #46 
  - Sloths are quick compared to some of the technological changes the military does  jmowreader   Feb-04-10 10:40 AM   #49 
     - I know what you mean...  rasputin1952   Feb-04-10 10:55 AM   #53 
        - I never really liked 105s for some reason...  jmowreader   Feb-04-10 12:03 PM   #69 
  - All the arguments are fallacious.  sarge43   Feb-04-10 10:32 AM   #48 
     - I remember this...  rasputin1952   Feb-04-10 10:43 AM   #50 
        - That 'argument' didn't last too long.  sarge43   Feb-04-10 10:50 AM   #51 
        - Yes, you're absolutely right  jmowreader   Feb-04-10 11:09 AM   #57 
           - ...  rasputin1952   Feb-04-10 11:16 AM   #60 
              - Old spy stories are always good...  jmowreader   Feb-04-10 11:46 AM   #66 
  - This vet concurs  Puppyjive   Feb-04-10 09:41 AM   #44 
  - Thank you, fellow veteran, for saying it just right!  Glorfindel   Feb-04-10 09:44 AM   #45 
  - Of Course, it's more than just in combat that the absurdity of DADT has become apparent, and--  Moonwalk   Feb-04-10 10:52 AM   #52 
  - I've always held Chickenhawks as traitors...  rasputin1952   Feb-04-10 11:09 AM   #56 
     - Excellent rant, Ras.  sarge43   Feb-04-10 11:56 AM   #67 
  - I Agree With Most Of Your Argument, But Your Last Sentence Is Ridiculous  Toasterlad   Feb-04-10 10:59 AM   #54 
  - It was the military that led on integration, under the orders of ...  rasputin1952   Feb-04-10 11:14 AM   #59 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-04-10 12:25 PM   #72 
  - Interesting. I Guess You Can't Say That The Military Has a Problem With Bigotry  Toasterlad   Feb-04-10 03:58 PM   #79 
  - It's spotty.  sarge43   Feb-04-10 11:43 AM   #65 
     - I Can't Deny the Rules On Paper  Toasterlad   Feb-04-10 12:32 PM   #74 
        - Well, all I can say in answer is  sarge43   Feb-04-10 12:38 PM   #75 
           - I Certainly Agree With That.  Toasterlad   Feb-04-10 03:58 PM   #80 
  - My take has always been that any Armed Forces which feel threatened by "teh" Gays....  liberation   Feb-04-10 11:02 AM   #55 
  - +100  kestrel91316   Feb-04-10 11:26 AM   #63 
  - Well said, Rasputin  Permanut   Feb-04-10 11:32 AM   #64 
  - This veteran agrees too nt  Joey Liberal   Feb-04-10 12:02 PM   #68 
  - This is simply more exploitation to keep the civilian exploitation going :: profits involved  defendandprotect   Feb-04-10 12:22 PM   #71 
  - If abolishing DADT gets rid of the fundies, then I'm all for it!  Crowman1979   Feb-04-10 12:27 PM   #73 
  - Indeed  sarge43   Feb-04-10 12:41 PM   #76 
  - Roger that.  KeepItReal   Feb-04-10 12:44 PM   #77 
  - Damn! Too late to rec!  NanceGreggs   Feb-04-10 05:30 PM   #82 
  - I'll co-sign you on the rec I gave it yesterday  Number23   Feb-04-10 06:32 PM   #84 
     - Thanks - and I'll co-sign a "rec" for you in future!  NanceGreggs   Feb-04-10 07:02 PM   #85 
  - Thanks for saying it  Bluenorthwest   Feb-04-10 05:46 PM   #83 

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