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johan helge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #107
108. No-one's perfect, of course, but:

On March 22, 2009, the economist Brad DeLong wrote ( ):

"I Think Paul Krugman Is Wrong

I find that a scary sentence to write. If the past decade has taught me anything, it has taught me that mistakes are avoided if you follow two rules:

1. Remember that Paul Krugman is right.
2. If your analysis leads you to conclude that Paul Krugman is wrong, refer to rule #1.

So why do I have a positive and Paul a negative view of the Geithner Plan?"

That's just one example of Krugman criticizing Geithner, by the way. Here's another - /.

I can't remember that Krugman has said "that maybe Summers and Geithner didn't do a bad job". Do you have a link?

And, by the way, on October 9, 2009, Krugman wrote ( /):

"Also, with apologies to Brad DeLong, when reading WSJ editorials you need to bear two things in mind:

1. The WSJ editorial page is wrong about everything.
2. If you think the WSJ editorial page is right about something, see rule #1.

After all, heres what you would have believed if you listened to that page over the years: Clintons tax hike will destroy the economy, you really should check out those people suggesting that Clinton was a drug smuggler, Dow 36000, the Bush tax cuts will bring surging prosperity, Saddam is backing Al Qaeda and has WMD, there isnt any housing bubble, US households have a high savings rate if you measure it right. Im sure I missed another couple of dozen high points."

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  -Krugman: Very good news on health reform johan helge  Jan-23-10 09:44 AM   #0 
  - God, just do it  frazzled   Jan-23-10 10:07 AM   #1 
  - just do it the fuck already ....  veganlush   Jan-24-10 09:12 AM   #82 
  - "They need to pull this out." Exactly. Rec'd. nt  babylonsister   Jan-23-10 10:11 AM   #2 
  - So Alan Grayson is right and Tweety is wrong. Imagine that.  Doremus   Jan-24-10 11:18 AM   #93 
     - They both were right/wrong ...  Cosmocat   Jan-24-10 07:02 PM   #110 
        - If you listened to the whole interview, Grayson's only point was that  Doremus   Jan-25-10 11:48 AM   #113 
  - For Gods sake -- NOW they want to use reconcilliation?  Armstead   Jan-23-10 10:20 AM   #3 
  - No kidding  Blasphemer   Jan-23-10 10:22 AM   #4 
  - Better now  ProSense   Jan-23-10 10:28 AM   #6 
  - Well, what we know now and should have known then was that  CTyankee   Jan-23-10 11:58 AM   #13 
     - +1  Armstead   Jan-23-10 11:59 AM   #14 
     - Wrong.  ProSense   Jan-23-10 12:11 PM   #16 
     - The polls showed 70% wanted the Public Option!!! What part of that do you not understand?  CTyankee   Jan-23-10 01:57 PM   #28 
     - Misreading the polls  ProSense   Jan-23-10 05:21 PM   #37 
        - well, then, what is your explanation? nt  CTyankee   Jan-23-10 06:03 PM   #40 
        - You are misreading the polls.  Enthusiast   Jan-24-10 03:59 AM   #60 
        - That polling indicates that 70% of all Mass. voters, & 48% of Brown's,...  burning rain   Jan-24-10 07:27 PM   #112 
     - very little difference between the House and Senate bills?  ibegurpard   Jan-23-10 02:15 PM   #30 
     - How about you becoming informed?  ProSense   Jan-23-10 05:17 PM   #36 
     - we do know that both bills SUCK  Skittles   Jan-24-10 03:41 AM   #57 
     - +10  Myrina   Jan-24-10 08:38 AM   #76 
     - Independents that don't want  Enthusiast   Jan-24-10 03:57 AM   #59 
     - +2  Enthusiast   Jan-24-10 03:54 AM   #58 
  - This bunch couldn't pass gas without blowing their brains out. n/t  dgibby   Jan-23-10 10:56 AM   #9 
  - Thanks...  Robeson   Jan-23-10 01:32 PM   #24 
  - Reconciliation can only be used for revenue related items  Hippo_Tron   Jan-23-10 05:13 PM   #35 
  - Yes. That's why the best strategy is to pass the Senate bill, then use a reconciliation sidecar.  backscatter712   Jan-24-10 11:23 AM   #94 
  - don't care, as long as they do it. nt  LaydeeBug   Jan-23-10 10:21 PM   #52 
  - Spot on.  DisgustedInMN   Jan-24-10 08:21 AM   #72 
  - Reconciliation has always been on the table and often discussed  underpants   Jan-24-10 09:24 AM   #85 
  - Excellent n/t  ProSense   Jan-23-10 10:22 AM   #5 
  - If they were going to use Reconciliation, why on the watered  mother earth   Jan-23-10 10:31 AM   #7 
  - Single-payer today is approximately as realistic as  johan helge   Jan-23-10 12:20 PM   #18 
  - See my post #28.  CTyankee   Jan-23-10 02:36 PM   #31 
  - Yes, I'm sure lots of people want single-payer.  johan helge   Jan-23-10 11:40 PM   #54 
     - Perhaps many Senators were afraid of it?  CTyankee   Jan-24-10 07:45 AM   #69 
        - What could they be afraid of? Serving the people is the kiss  mother earth   Jan-24-10 09:12 AM   #81 
        - It is which people  treestar   Jan-24-10 11:50 AM   #98 
        - I think they are afraid of single-payer  johan helge   Jan-24-10 09:29 AM   #86 
  - You mean, because it would save the tax-payer billions of dollars?  Joe Chi Minh   Jan-24-10 08:39 AM   #77 
     - Exactly. The insurance industry needs the money! (nt)  johan helge   Jan-24-10 09:32 AM   #87 
  - They are talking about a patch to make the Senate bill acceptable to the House  Orangepeel   Jan-23-10 01:37 PM   #25 
  - Kick so people can learn what's possible and not possible with reconciliation. n/t  jenmito   Jan-23-10 07:42 PM   #45 
  - Brilliant question! n/t  golfguru   Jan-24-10 07:20 PM   #111 
  - It's taking too long. The republicans, teabaggers and media have the momentum now.  AlinPA   Jan-23-10 10:38 AM   #8 
  - "Let's do this" as they say nt  flamingdem   Jan-23-10 11:02 AM   #10 
  - There is no plan B. What else are they going to do but forge ahead as they were doing?  timeforpeace   Jan-23-10 11:53 AM   #11 
  - They need to show competence in something.  Jennicut   Jan-23-10 11:55 AM   #12 
  - It's the only way to go! K&R.  jenmito   Jan-23-10 12:05 PM   #15 
  - I'm not holding my breath.  Catshrink   Jan-23-10 12:12 PM   #17 
  - While we're dreaming,  dccrossman   Jan-23-10 12:37 PM   #19 
  - It's still gonna pass. Bring it!  Aramchek   Jan-23-10 01:22 PM   #20 
  - I hope they grow a set .... and DO IT!!!!!  JoePhilly   Jan-23-10 01:27 PM   #21 
  - Well if they do that then why not put the public option in there  bigdarryl   Jan-23-10 01:29 PM   #22 
  - This is exactly what Rachel said to do yesterday  Nancy Waterman   Jan-23-10 01:31 PM   #23 
  - Didn't Krugman say a couple of days ago, "You can't do health reform in pieces"?  Irish_shark   Jan-23-10 01:49 PM   #26 
  - He was talking about not passing the Senate Bill and instead breaking the existing bill into pieces.  Pirate Smile   Jan-23-10 07:36 PM   #44 
  - The Senate needs to go first.  hootinholler   Jan-23-10 01:55 PM   #27 
  - He's got it right there it is now or never.  ProgressOnTheMove   Jan-23-10 02:14 PM   #29 
  - My 87 yr. old mother just got her bill today for a minor heart attack and Stint. $58,000. Help!  glinda   Jan-23-10 03:24 PM   #32 
  - nothing in this bill is going to help your mother! eom  flyarm   Jan-24-10 08:32 AM   #74 
  - Constituents of Pelosi and Reid should flood them with calls this weekend telling them to DO THIS.  jenmito   Jan-23-10 03:44 PM   #33 
  - Most likely true for every Democrat in Congress  ProSense   Jan-23-10 05:23 PM   #38 
     - I called my Dem rep, my Dem Senator and Nancy. Told them to pass the Senate Bill and fix what they  Pirate Smile   Jan-23-10 07:28 PM   #43 
        - I am calling them all and telling them if they pass this piece of shit ..this retired union member  flyarm   Jan-24-10 08:34 AM   #75 
           - Well this current Union member...  BklnDem75   Jan-24-10 11:45 AM   #97 
  - Trying to pass the garbage senate bill is what caused the problems in the first place.  Wardoc   Jan-23-10 05:11 PM   #34 
  - Thus the promise of reconciliation after its passing.  mzmolly   Jan-23-10 07:49 PM   #47 
     - Not good enough in the least. The mandate would still be there. Reconciliation is a fantasy...  Wardoc   Jan-23-10 09:03 PM   #49 
        - How do you know what will be in the bill post reconcililation?  mzmolly   Jan-23-10 09:28 PM   #51 
           - If they want this route..what will they be asking for ? Do you know? no one does!  flyarm   Jan-24-10 08:44 AM   #79 
              - If there was a breach of trust, the House would revolt.  mzmolly   Jan-24-10 01:53 PM   #100 
                 - really?? do you really believe that? then look at this shit pre-existing conditions covered  flyarm   Jan-24-10 02:22 PM   #102 
                    - This is speculation. However, if this is true, they can't mandate  mzmolly   Jan-24-10 02:27 PM   #104 
  - In the immortal words of Barbara Rose  Puglover   Jan-23-10 05:53 PM   #39 
  - Ram through a Republican Health "Care" Plan?...NOW?  bvar22   Jan-23-10 06:53 PM   #41 
  - This is SO damning! Read it and weep!  CTyankee   Jan-23-10 07:03 PM   #42 
  - If this is true, and it almost surely is, of course they should pass the bill  johan helge   Jan-24-10 01:55 AM   #56 
  - Right on!  Myrina   Jan-24-10 08:40 AM   #78 
  - This is what Grayson tried to tell Matthews on Hawdbaw last night.  mzmolly   Jan-23-10 07:44 PM   #46 
  - Yeah, that's what I heard as well...  Yurovsky   Jan-23-10 09:23 PM   #50 
  - You mean Towel Snappy?  Enthusiast   Jan-24-10 04:08 AM   #63 
  - This is the way to go. I wrote to my senators ealier today.  adamuu   Jan-23-10 08:18 PM   #48 
  - It is more convenient  Enthusiast   Jan-24-10 04:44 AM   #64 
     - I don't own a gun. n/t  adamuu   Jan-24-10 07:29 AM   #67 
  - Let the republicans howl - prove they still are in the minority.  BlueIdaho   Jan-23-10 10:27 PM   #53 
  - Correct, because they will howl anyway. nt  Enthusiast   Jan-24-10 04:45 AM   #65 
  - Good, there's still hope.  backscatter712   Jan-24-10 12:11 AM   #55 
  - Krugman leave it alone. You were planning on giving up...  vaberella   Jan-24-10 04:02 AM   #61 
  - Of course, you opened my eyes  johan helge   Jan-24-10 06:30 AM   #66 
     - no one is always right..and PAUL IS WRONG NOW! EOM  flyarm   Jan-24-10 08:22 AM   #73 
     - He's not always right---far from it.  vaberella   Jan-24-10 05:00 PM   #107 
        - No-one's perfect, of course, but:  johan helge   Jan-24-10 05:23 PM   #108 
  - I'm going to say mean things.  Enthusiast   Jan-24-10 04:05 AM   #62 
  - K & R Just Do It !!! n/t  Surya Gayatri   Jan-24-10 07:43 AM   #68 
  - Paul Paul can't possibly be this naive, can you?  flyarm   Jan-24-10 08:07 AM   #70 
  - Or Mr Krugman it could be WORSE. Jesus, just look at the past year...............  pattmarty   Jan-24-10 08:09 AM   #71 
  - So the House passes the horrible Senate bill and the Senate reconciliation bill stalls!  Better Believe It   Jan-24-10 09:05 AM   #80 
  - The Senate could pass the reconciliation sidecar first.  backscatter712   Jan-24-10 09:24 AM   #83 
     - And what will that reconciliation bill look like?  Better Believe It   Jan-24-10 09:35 AM   #88 
        - To start, the reconciliation bill would have all the changes the House Senate conference  backscatter712   Jan-24-10 11:00 AM   #91 
           - The union exemption..  Imajika   Jan-24-10 02:37 PM   #105 
              - You're right.  Better Believe It   Jan-25-10 12:07 PM   #114 
  - Republicans are acting like S. Brown just won the presidential election for God's sake.  spicegal   Jan-24-10 09:24 AM   #84 
  - Oh, "the opposition" may "oppose" it. So, what else is new?  DailyGrind51   Jan-24-10 10:10 AM   #89 
  - Well, I think Obama has been wanting to usher in a whole new era of  Joe Chi Minh   Jan-24-10 11:12 AM   #92 
  - They need to rethink the contents of both bills.  GinaMaria   Jan-24-10 10:18 AM   #90 
  - The Insurance Companies will market health reform  Onlooker   Jan-24-10 11:28 AM   #95 
  - Dunno why we're so worried about short term protests  high density   Jan-24-10 11:40 AM   #96 
  - just ignore the Republicans  Rosa Luxemburg   Jan-24-10 12:40 PM   #99 
  - Kick  HughMoran   Jan-24-10 02:11 PM   #101 
  - Liar Paul! White House adviser Plouffe fails to mention /Obama's pre-existing conditions promise  flyarm   Jan-24-10 02:23 PM   #103 
  - This is just rumor mongering.  backscatter712   Jan-24-10 03:15 PM   #106 
  - Get the the thing done then, WTF!  DailyGrind51   Jan-24-10 05:33 PM   #109 

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