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| 70. Paul Paul Paul..you can't possibly be this naive, can you? |
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Edited on Sun Jan-24-10 08:28 AM by flyarm
this bill is shit Paul..it is shit from top to bottom..maybe you can convince the young people "they will change it in reconciliation"..but we older folks know,,those changes never come..or they are worse than the original piece of shit.
This 58 yr old knows damn well..when they take something away..whatever their good reasons are..you never ever ever get it back!
Remember the airlines charging for bags when the Oil prices went up?? That was not very long ago..
Did those fee's get dropped when oil prices came down..fuck no..in fact the poundage of the bags went down from 70 lbs to 50 lbs..and now all the airlines are charging for the bags..bag 1 & 2 and just a few days ago the fee's went up on most airlines for those bags..the airlines are making millions upon millions on the bags alone..and excess poundage..you folks are being gouged. Don't for a minute think those fees will go away.
Now for the middle class there is a penality in the Senate bill for the middle class that has good health care policies..you will be hit with a 40% tax..40%..for having good policies..many of which were concessions and paid for with blood sweat and tears of the American middle class worker..if you pay for any of the policy with your own money..you are already paying for it with "after tax dollars"..so this is like a double tax on the middle class! Do you honestly think when your policies get shredded and become less than what you have today..you will ever get a policy with the coverage you have today again? No .
Whenever they take something away..you never get it back..ever!
Paul knows this , and I am beginning to wonder..is Paul interviewing for someone else's job? Paul was shunned by this White House..is he pandering to them for some reason we don't know..I just wonder..because he is sounding more like a snake oil salesman!
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| -Krugman: Very good news on health reform |
johan helge |
Jan-23-10 09:44 AM |
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God, just do it |
frazzled |
Jan-23-10 10:07 AM |
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just do it the fuck already .... |
veganlush |
Jan-24-10 09:12 AM |
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"They need to pull this out." Exactly. Rec'd. nt |
babylonsister |
Jan-23-10 10:11 AM |
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So Alan Grayson is right and Tweety is wrong. Imagine that. |
Doremus |
Jan-24-10 11:18 AM |
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They both were right/wrong ... |
Cosmocat |
Jan-24-10 07:02 PM |
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If you listened to the whole interview, Grayson's only point was that |
Doremus |
Jan-25-10 11:48 AM |
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For Gods sake -- NOW they want to use reconcilliation? |
Armstead |
Jan-23-10 10:20 AM |
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No kidding |
Blasphemer |
Jan-23-10 10:22 AM |
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Better now |
ProSense |
Jan-23-10 10:28 AM |
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Well, what we know now and should have known then was that |
CTyankee |
Jan-23-10 11:58 AM |
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+1 |
Armstead |
Jan-23-10 11:59 AM |
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Wrong. |
ProSense |
Jan-23-10 12:11 PM |
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The polls showed 70% wanted the Public Option!!! What part of that do you not understand? |
CTyankee |
Jan-23-10 01:57 PM |
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Misreading the polls |
ProSense |
Jan-23-10 05:21 PM |
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well, then, what is your explanation? nt |
CTyankee |
Jan-23-10 06:03 PM |
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You are misreading the polls. |
Enthusiast |
Jan-24-10 03:59 AM |
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That polling indicates that 70% of all Mass. voters, & 48% of Brown's,... |
burning rain |
Jan-24-10 07:27 PM |
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very little difference between the House and Senate bills? |
ibegurpard |
Jan-23-10 02:15 PM |
#30 |
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How about you becoming informed? |
ProSense |
Jan-23-10 05:17 PM |
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we do know that both bills SUCK |
Skittles |
Jan-24-10 03:41 AM |
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+10 |
Myrina |
Jan-24-10 08:38 AM |
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Independents that don't want |
Enthusiast |
Jan-24-10 03:57 AM |
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+2 |
Enthusiast |
Jan-24-10 03:54 AM |
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This bunch couldn't pass gas without blowing their brains out. n/t |
dgibby |
Jan-23-10 10:56 AM |
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Thanks... |
Robeson |
Jan-23-10 01:32 PM |
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Reconciliation can only be used for revenue related items |
Hippo_Tron |
Jan-23-10 05:13 PM |
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Yes. That's why the best strategy is to pass the Senate bill, then use a reconciliation sidecar. |
backscatter712 |
Jan-24-10 11:23 AM |
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don't care, as long as they do it. nt |
LaydeeBug |
Jan-23-10 10:21 PM |
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Spot on. |
DisgustedInMN |
Jan-24-10 08:21 AM |
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Reconciliation has always been on the table and often discussed |
underpants |
Jan-24-10 09:24 AM |
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Excellent n/t |
ProSense |
Jan-23-10 10:22 AM |
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If they were going to use Reconciliation, why on the watered |
mother earth |
Jan-23-10 10:31 AM |
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Single-payer today is approximately as realistic as |
johan helge |
Jan-23-10 12:20 PM |
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See my post #28. |
CTyankee |
Jan-23-10 02:36 PM |
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Yes, I'm sure lots of people want single-payer. |
johan helge |
Jan-23-10 11:40 PM |
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Perhaps many Senators were afraid of it? |
CTyankee |
Jan-24-10 07:45 AM |
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What could they be afraid of? Serving the people is the kiss |
mother earth |
Jan-24-10 09:12 AM |
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It is which people |
treestar |
Jan-24-10 11:50 AM |
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I think they are afraid of single-payer |
johan helge |
Jan-24-10 09:29 AM |
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You mean, because it would save the tax-payer billions of dollars? |
Joe Chi Minh |
Jan-24-10 08:39 AM |
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Exactly. The insurance industry needs the money! (nt) |
johan helge |
Jan-24-10 09:32 AM |
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They are talking about a patch to make the Senate bill acceptable to the House |
Orangepeel |
Jan-23-10 01:37 PM |
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Kick so people can learn what's possible and not possible with reconciliation. n/t |
jenmito |
Jan-23-10 07:42 PM |
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Brilliant question! n/t |
golfguru |
Jan-24-10 07:20 PM |
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It's taking too long. The republicans, teabaggers and media have the momentum now. |
AlinPA |
Jan-23-10 10:38 AM |
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"Let's do this" as they say nt |
flamingdem |
Jan-23-10 11:02 AM |
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There is no plan B. What else are they going to do but forge ahead as they were doing? |
timeforpeace |
Jan-23-10 11:53 AM |
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They need to show competence in something. |
Jennicut |
Jan-23-10 11:55 AM |
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It's the only way to go! K&R. |
jenmito |
Jan-23-10 12:05 PM |
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I'm not holding my breath. |
Catshrink |
Jan-23-10 12:12 PM |
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While we're dreaming, |
dccrossman |
Jan-23-10 12:37 PM |
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It's still gonna pass. Bring it! |
Aramchek |
Jan-23-10 01:22 PM |
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I hope they grow a set .... and DO IT!!!!! |
JoePhilly |
Jan-23-10 01:27 PM |
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Well if they do that then why not put the public option in there |
bigdarryl |
Jan-23-10 01:29 PM |
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This is exactly what Rachel said to do yesterday |
Nancy Waterman |
Jan-23-10 01:31 PM |
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Didn't Krugman say a couple of days ago, "You can't do health reform in pieces"? |
Irish_shark |
Jan-23-10 01:49 PM |
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He was talking about not passing the Senate Bill and instead breaking the existing bill into pieces. |
Pirate Smile |
Jan-23-10 07:36 PM |
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The Senate needs to go first. |
hootinholler |
Jan-23-10 01:55 PM |
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He's got it right there it is now or never. |
ProgressOnTheMove |
Jan-23-10 02:14 PM |
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My 87 yr. old mother just got her bill today for a minor heart attack and Stint. $58,000. Help! |
glinda |
Jan-23-10 03:24 PM |
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nothing in this bill is going to help your mother! eom |
flyarm |
Jan-24-10 08:32 AM |
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Constituents of Pelosi and Reid should flood them with calls this weekend telling them to DO THIS. |
jenmito |
Jan-23-10 03:44 PM |
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Most likely true for every Democrat in Congress |
ProSense |
Jan-23-10 05:23 PM |
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I called my Dem rep, my Dem Senator and Nancy. Told them to pass the Senate Bill and fix what they |
Pirate Smile |
Jan-23-10 07:28 PM |
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I am calling them all and telling them if they pass this piece of shit ..this retired union member |
flyarm |
Jan-24-10 08:34 AM |
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Well this current Union member... |
BklnDem75 |
Jan-24-10 11:45 AM |
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Trying to pass the garbage senate bill is what caused the problems in the first place. |
Wardoc |
Jan-23-10 05:11 PM |
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Thus the promise of reconciliation after its passing. |
mzmolly |
Jan-23-10 07:49 PM |
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Not good enough in the least. The mandate would still be there. Reconciliation is a fantasy... |
Wardoc |
Jan-23-10 09:03 PM |
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How do you know what will be in the bill post reconcililation? |
mzmolly |
Jan-23-10 09:28 PM |
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If they want this route..what will they be asking for ? Do you know? no one does! |
flyarm |
Jan-24-10 08:44 AM |
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If there was a breach of trust, the House would revolt. |
mzmolly |
Jan-24-10 01:53 PM |
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really?? do you really believe that? then look at this shit ..no pre-existing conditions covered |
flyarm |
Jan-24-10 02:22 PM |
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This is speculation. However, if this is true, they can't mandate |
mzmolly |
Jan-24-10 02:27 PM |
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In the immortal words of Barbara Rose |
Puglover |
Jan-23-10 05:53 PM |
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Ram through a Republican Health "Care" Plan?...NOW? |
bvar22 |
Jan-23-10 06:53 PM |
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This is SO damning! Read it and weep! |
CTyankee |
Jan-23-10 07:03 PM |
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If this is true, and it almost surely is, of course they should pass the bill |
johan helge |
Jan-24-10 01:55 AM |
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Right on! |
Myrina |
Jan-24-10 08:40 AM |
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This is what Grayson tried to tell Matthews on Hawdbaw last night. |
mzmolly |
Jan-23-10 07:44 PM |
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Yeah, that's what I heard as well... |
Yurovsky |
Jan-23-10 09:23 PM |
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You mean Towel Snappy? |
Enthusiast |
Jan-24-10 04:08 AM |
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This is the way to go. I wrote to my senators ealier today. |
adamuu |
Jan-23-10 08:18 PM |
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It is more convenient |
Enthusiast |
Jan-24-10 04:44 AM |
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I don't own a gun. n/t |
adamuu |
Jan-24-10 07:29 AM |
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Let the republicans howl - prove they still are in the minority. |
BlueIdaho |
Jan-23-10 10:27 PM |
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Correct, because they will howl anyway. nt |
Enthusiast |
Jan-24-10 04:45 AM |
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Good, there's still hope. |
backscatter712 |
Jan-24-10 12:11 AM |
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Krugman leave it alone. You were planning on giving up... |
vaberella |
Jan-24-10 04:02 AM |
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Of course, you opened my eyes |
johan helge |
Jan-24-10 06:30 AM |
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no one is always right..and PAUL IS WRONG NOW! EOM |
flyarm |
Jan-24-10 08:22 AM |
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He's not always right---far from it. |
vaberella |
Jan-24-10 05:00 PM |
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No-one's perfect, of course, but: |
johan helge |
Jan-24-10 05:23 PM |
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I'm going to say mean things. |
Enthusiast |
Jan-24-10 04:05 AM |
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K & R Just Do It !!! n/t |
Surya Gayatri |
Jan-24-10 07:43 AM |
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Paul Paul Paul..you can't possibly be this naive, can you? |
flyarm |
Jan-24-10 08:07 AM |
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Or Mr Krugman it could be WORSE. Jesus, just look at the past year............... |
pattmarty |
Jan-24-10 08:09 AM |
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So the House passes the horrible Senate bill and the Senate reconciliation bill stalls! |
Better Believe It |
Jan-24-10 09:05 AM |
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The Senate could pass the reconciliation sidecar first. |
backscatter712 |
Jan-24-10 09:24 AM |
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And what will that reconciliation bill look like? |
Better Believe It |
Jan-24-10 09:35 AM |
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To start, the reconciliation bill would have all the changes the House Senate conference |
backscatter712 |
Jan-24-10 11:00 AM |
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The union exemption.. |
Imajika |
Jan-24-10 02:37 PM |
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You're right. |
Better Believe It |
Jan-25-10 12:07 PM |
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Republicans are acting like S. Brown just won the presidential election for God's sake. |
spicegal |
Jan-24-10 09:24 AM |
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Oh, "the opposition" may "oppose" it. So, what else is new? |
DailyGrind51 |
Jan-24-10 10:10 AM |
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Well, I think Obama has been wanting to usher in a whole new era of |
Joe Chi Minh |
Jan-24-10 11:12 AM |
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They need to rethink the contents of both bills. |
GinaMaria |
Jan-24-10 10:18 AM |
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The Insurance Companies will market health reform |
Onlooker |
Jan-24-10 11:28 AM |
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Dunno why we're so worried about short term protests |
high density |
Jan-24-10 11:40 AM |
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just ignore the Republicans |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Jan-24-10 12:40 PM |
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Kick |
HughMoran |
Jan-24-10 02:11 PM |
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Liar Paul! White House adviser Plouffe fails to mention /Obama's pre-existing conditions promise |
flyarm |
Jan-24-10 02:23 PM |
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This is just rumor mongering. |
backscatter712 |
Jan-24-10 03:15 PM |
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Get the the thing done then, WTF! |
DailyGrind51 |
Jan-24-10 05:33 PM |
#109 |
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