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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 09:39 AM
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13. Again, this OP is about domestic social policy. Also, you seem to forget
Howard Dean supports Obama on Afghanistan

HOWARD DEAN: I'm not so sure I'm the liberal wing, but... I've supported the president on this one. I think this is different than Iraq. I think there are people who mean the United States harm over there... I was very pleased to say the hear the president a few months ago say, "Look, we can't win this war militarily." He gets what we have to do here. And it is true that American public opinion is not supportive of the war effort anymore. I think this does have something to do with security to the United States. I do believe it has something to do with the role of women in these kinds of societies. I think we ought to be supportive of the role of women and their ability to get an education and things like that. I don't think that's the only reason we're there. But I'm supportive of the president, and I'm going to continue to be supportive of the president on Afghanistan.

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  -Howard Dean sells President Obama short ProSense  Jan-17-10 09:18 AM   #0 
  - Fuck Rahm and his BS that keeps us heading in the wrong direction. -(nt)  w4rma   Jan-17-10 09:21 AM   #1 
  - What the hell does this have to do with Rahm? n/t  ProSense   Jan-17-10 09:27 AM   #7 
     - Everything has to do with Rahm...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jan-17-10 09:54 AM   #19 
     - My thought are the same WHAT DOES RAHM HAVE TO DO WITH THIS POST.  Top Cat   Jan-17-10 01:26 PM   #77 
  - Thanks. Bookmarked and recc'd  lamp_shade   Jan-17-10 09:23 AM   #2 
  - You say he's "selling Obama short". How is that fair when Dean is simply telling the truth? nt  Atticus   Jan-17-10 09:23 AM   #3 
  - Yeah, if you ignore everything in the OP.  ProSense   Jan-17-10 09:34 AM   #9 
     - That's bullshit and, more's the pity, you know it.  Atticus   Jan-17-10 10:06 AM   #25 
        - What the hell are you talking about?  ProSense   Jan-17-10 10:12 AM   #30 
           - YOU see it. Any post that needs a table of contents and a bibliography  Atticus   Jan-17-10 10:21 AM   #36 
              - I'll admit there are people  ProSense   Jan-17-10 10:32 AM   #41 
                 - Better check that mirror, NoSense  Sebastian Doyle   Jan-17-10 12:57 PM   #73 
  - Why haven't you put Afghanistan on your list?  rug   Jan-17-10 09:25 AM   #4 
  - It is an inconvenient truth  IndianaGreen   Jan-17-10 09:27 AM   #6 
  - Here:  ProSense   Jan-17-10 09:32 AM   #8 
     - A press coneference by a politician does not justify a war.  rug   Jan-17-10 09:35 AM   #10 
        - Again, this OP is about domestic social policy. Also, you seem to forget  ProSense   Jan-17-10 09:39 AM   #13 
           - So this is not true? "Howard Dean sells President Obama short"  rug   Jan-17-10 09:43 AM   #14 
              - Are you pretending to be confused? n/t  ProSense   Jan-17-10 09:45 AM   #15 
                 - No, I think it's pretty clear what you're doing.  rug   Jan-17-10 11:46 AM   #63 
                    - Serioulsy, look at the OP and then  ProSense   Jan-17-10 11:48 AM   #65 
  - It is Obama that is coming off way short. Dean is telling the truth!  IndianaGreen   Jan-17-10 09:26 AM   #5 
  - Make ALL The Long Lists You Want... The"BASE" That Rahm Denigrated  ChiciB1   Jan-17-10 09:38 AM   #11 
     - Rahm?  ProSense   Jan-17-10 09:47 AM   #16 
        - Shhh, don't tell anyone but that is Howard's 50 state inclusive strategy. I wonder how many recall  still_one   Jan-17-10 09:56 AM   #21 
        - So What? I'm Aware That Rahm Was A Congress Critter... Now He's The COS & Has  ChiciB1   Jan-17-10 11:19 AM   #56 
  - Oh is THIS what it feels like to not be owned by corporate America?  dkf   Jan-17-10 09:38 AM   #12 
  - Blah, blah, blah  treestar   Jan-17-10 09:50 AM   #18 
     - Financial institutions that spent more lobbying congress were more apt to get into difficulties  dkf   Jan-17-10 10:04 AM   #23 
        - Congresspersons know they have to answer to the voters  treestar   Jan-17-10 11:02 AM   #55 
  - Thank you for putting that together  treestar   Jan-17-10 09:48 AM   #17 
  - You sell Howard Dean short  Tom Rinaldo   Jan-17-10 09:55 AM   #20 
  - "Most of your list is an example of a contemporary mainstream Democratic agenda. "  ProSense   Jan-17-10 10:02 AM   #22 
  - It is not denegrating accomplishments to accurately describe their scope  Tom Rinaldo   Jan-17-10 10:06 AM   #26 
     - Wrong  ProSense   Jan-17-10 10:10 AM   #28 
        - No, you're wrong, so there.  Tom Rinaldo   Jan-17-10 10:26 AM   #39 
           - "Every individual leader is different so every individual leader will move the ball forward "  ProSense   Jan-17-10 10:29 AM   #40 
              - Nope  Tom Rinaldo   Jan-17-10 10:33 AM   #42 
                 - That's exactly what you are trying to argue. n/t  ProSense   Jan-17-10 10:34 AM   #43 
                    - Change is a meaningless value without quantifying and qualifying it  Tom Rinaldo   Jan-17-10 10:37 AM   #46 
                       - "Yes Obama is a 'change agent'"  ProSense   Jan-17-10 10:43 AM   #48 
                          - Look in a mirror n/t  Tom Rinaldo   Jan-17-10 10:44 AM   #49 
                             - Thanks for proving the point. n/t  ProSense   Jan-17-10 10:48 AM   #50 
                                - You can't really be as dense as you pretend to be in this exchange  Tom Rinaldo   Jan-17-10 10:52 AM   #51 
                                   - "I repeat: change is a meaningless value without being quantified and qualified."  ProSense   Jan-17-10 10:54 AM   #52 
  - Yup! nt  Atticus   Jan-17-10 10:08 AM   #27 
  - This is a much need steep in keeping people in their homes.  midnight   Jan-17-10 10:05 AM   #24 
  - All well and good.  lapfog_1   Jan-17-10 10:11 AM   #29 
  - Oh,  ProSense   Jan-17-10 10:15 AM   #31 
     - Mentioned, worked on, NOT DONE YET.  lapfog_1   Jan-17-10 10:21 AM   #35 
        - Of course he's not done yet. He's got three years to go in his first term n/t  ProSense   Jan-17-10 10:24 AM   #37 
        - As I pointed out in my first response  lapfog_1   Jan-17-10 11:47 AM   #64 
        - If possible, I would rec your response. nt  Atticus   Jan-17-10 10:24 AM   #38 
  - Spam, spam spam spam.... the first article you link to does not report good news for Dems.  freddie mertz   Jan-17-10 10:17 AM   #32 
  - If your kid comes home with C's  izquierdista   Jan-17-10 10:19 AM   #33 
  - K&R Bookmarked...Thanks prosense.... n/t  firedupdem   Jan-17-10 10:21 AM   #34 
  - Bullshit.  LWolf   Jan-17-10 10:35 AM   #44 
  - Thanks for the definition  ProSense   Jan-17-10 10:36 AM   #45 
     - Your welcome.  LWolf   Jan-17-10 10:40 AM   #47 
  - why the need to "convince" us? any real "change" should be obvious  ima_sinnic   Jan-17-10 10:56 AM   #53 
  - "Obama did nothing, really--jack, zip, nada--to truly FIGHT for a public option"  ProSense   Jan-17-10 11:00 AM   #54 
  - Sure  Ildem09   Jan-17-10 11:26 AM   #57 
  - "He's done damn near what ANY other Democrat would have done" Then  ProSense   Jan-17-10 11:30 AM   #58 
     - grasping at straws  Ildem09   Jan-17-10 11:32 AM   #59 
        - No, you are making simplistic statements to justify your argument and  ProSense   Jan-17-10 11:44 AM   #62 
           - i'm saying  Ildem09   Jan-17-10 12:01 PM   #67 
              - In the "grand scheme" of things  ProSense   Jan-17-10 12:06 PM   #68 
  - Its this kind of bullshit that keeps us ineffective  mkultra   Jan-17-10 11:34 AM   #60 
  - alas  Ildem09   Jan-17-10 11:36 AM   #61 
     - then they should stop bitching about the lack of progress they create  mkultra   Jan-17-10 11:49 AM   #66 
  - Why "Accomplishment" Cut and Pastes are disingenuous strawmen  Political Heretic   Jan-17-10 12:43 PM   #69 
  - Really thought out analysis there  ProSense   Jan-17-10 12:48 PM   #70 
     - Actually, anyone who reads it can see your taking out of context.  Political Heretic   Jan-17-10 12:56 PM   #72 
        - Not at all. n/t  ProSense   Jan-17-10 12:59 PM   #74 
           - Yes, at all. n/t  Political Heretic   Jan-17-10 01:04 PM   #75 
  - Oh well, now I finally  Cha   Jan-17-10 12:52 PM   #71 
  - Howard is proving why he would have made a terrible President  Aramchek   Jan-17-10 01:23 PM   #76 

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