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Fri Jan-15-10 09:38 PM
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| 51. Thank you for this, though the corporatists will ignore it... |
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just as they've ignored poll after poll over the past few months saying the majority wanted a public option, no mandates, serious banking reform, an end to the wars, no more bailouts, etc.
"Centrist" and "moderate" are misnomers. The DLCers are the extremists in the party.
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| -Why do some people here want our party to be a "small tent" purist party like the Teabaggers? |
jenmito |
Jan-15-10 08:42 PM |
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Because their bruised, delicate egos demand purity |
Arkana |
Jan-15-10 08:43 PM |
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I agree... |
jenmito |
Jan-15-10 08:45 PM |
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Purity? LOL! How about actually voting with a spine??? |
Wardoc |
Jan-15-10 10:39 PM |
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Because for many people it comes down to them being able to say, |
FSogol |
Jan-15-10 08:44 PM |
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Too true. n/t |
barb162 |
Jan-15-10 08:46 PM |
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Nader 2012. |
onehandle |
Jan-15-10 08:44 PM |
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Hell, some people here are already cheerleading for it. nt |
TheWraith |
Jan-15-10 08:59 PM |
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He's too old, way too old to be running in 2012. n/t |
barb162 |
Jan-15-10 09:15 PM |
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He wouldn't be running to win. He never does. |
onehandle |
Jan-15-10 09:58 PM |
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Simplest answer ever. They. are. not. "our". Party. |
HughMoran |
Jan-15-10 08:46 PM |
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+1. nt |
Robb |
Jan-15-10 08:47 PM |
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So, are they the Green Party? |
jenmito |
Jan-15-10 08:49 PM |
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Purity over Party |
HughMoran |
Jan-15-10 08:52 PM |
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Policy over party and politicians |
depakid |
Jan-15-10 09:19 PM |
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so it is all about you. |
Hamlette |
Jan-16-10 12:17 AM |
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your damn right |
Ildem09 |
Jan-17-10 05:50 PM |
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thanks for the Aussie perspective |
Aramchek |
Jan-16-10 01:04 PM |
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Oh, the irony. |
girl gone mad |
Jan-15-10 09:34 PM |
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I don't want those small tent purists in my big tent! Out!!! |
spoony |
Jan-16-10 12:43 AM |
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You sound just like the RWers who accuse US of being intolerant because we won't tolerate intolerant |
jenmito |
Jan-16-10 11:22 AM |
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Yep, pointing out that liberals are a part of said big tent is SOOO right wing of me! |
spoony |
Jan-16-10 12:18 PM |
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No-you didn't understand the post. He didn't say liberals shouldn't be a part of the big tent... |
jenmito |
Jan-16-10 03:42 PM |
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You make total sense |
barb162 |
Jan-15-10 08:47 PM |
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Thank you... |
jenmito |
Jan-15-10 08:52 PM |
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Bingo: 'As long as they can claim they're "holier than thou." ' |
barb162 |
Jan-15-10 09:05 PM |
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Thanks, barb! |
jenmito |
Jan-15-10 09:13 PM |
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Hey, when you're right, you're right. |
barb162 |
Jan-15-10 09:18 PM |
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Ironically- this very attitude has driven Democrats from the majority |
depakid |
Jan-15-10 08:50 PM |
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WHAT very atitude-wanting to be a big tent party? n/t |
jenmito |
Jan-15-10 08:53 PM |
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Name removed |
Jan-15-10 08:57 PM |
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The big tent arguement was what I heard from the conserva-Dems in the late 80's and early 90's |
rpannier |
Jan-15-10 09:00 PM |
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Any time there is a really large party one will have left and right wings |
barb162 |
Jan-15-10 09:12 PM |
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+1 |
oxymoron |
Jan-15-10 10:15 PM |
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I know, I know, I know. |
barb162 |
Jan-15-10 09:07 PM |
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This is not about lessons. It's not about history. It's not about ideology |
dave29 |
Jan-15-10 10:19 PM |
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If you want to win- then you'd better do what it takes |
depakid |
Jan-16-10 02:33 AM |
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You want Democrats to lose. |
dave29 |
Jan-16-10 08:40 AM |
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It'd be nice if our Party more reflected the MAJORITY of voters. |
Warren DeMontague |
Jan-15-10 08:51 PM |
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Cherry picking a couple of issues that are contentious. Oh, and consider the alternative |
HughMoran |
Jan-15-10 08:54 PM |
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Who are you talking to? |
Warren DeMontague |
Jan-15-10 11:11 PM |
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Yeah gosh, if we wouldn't be so insistent on the public option and A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE. |
Hello_Kitty |
Jan-16-10 12:10 AM |
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The majority of our party DOES reflect the majority of voters... |
jenmito |
Jan-15-10 08:56 PM |
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You need political will and fortitude (and the perception of it) a LOT more than a supermajority |
depakid |
Jan-15-10 09:08 PM |
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I agree. And pointing out that the US Senate, for instance, is structured in such a way |
Warren DeMontague |
Jan-15-10 11:18 PM |
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Here's what the majority looks like (hint: it ain't what the corporate appeasers tell you it is) |
depakid |
Jan-15-10 09:06 PM |
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Thank you for this, though the corporatists will ignore it... |
girl gone mad |
Jan-15-10 09:38 PM |
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+1 |
oxymoron |
Jan-15-10 10:17 PM |
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The majority also opposes same-sex marriage. Do you really want to go there? |
namahage |
Jan-15-10 11:23 PM |
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That's changing, and rapidly. |
Warren DeMontague |
Jan-16-10 01:30 AM |
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Political xenophobia. NT |
Clio the Leo |
Jan-15-10 08:53 PM |
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Exactly! |
jenmito |
Jan-15-10 08:56 PM |
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I think it's more the flaw of our two party system |
Blaukraut |
Jan-15-10 08:56 PM |
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The coalitions would upset the purists |
treestar |
Jan-16-10 08:34 PM |
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from what i see, those people seem to want to join the teabaggers |
JI7 |
Jan-15-10 09:01 PM |
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Some HAVE joined the teabaggers |
jenmito |
Jan-15-10 09:02 PM |
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Ah the name-calling, demagoguery is out in full force |
rpannier |
Jan-15-10 09:04 PM |
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'Straw man' is a better analysis |
niceypoo |
Jan-15-10 09:06 PM |
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The whole point of a treehouse is to be able to pull up the ladder, n/t |
Davis_X_Machina |
Jan-15-10 09:06 PM |
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How did you feel when we CT Dems primaried Joe Lieberman? |
Larkspur |
Jan-15-10 09:08 PM |
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this isn't a Primary election |
JI7 |
Jan-15-10 09:11 PM |
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Being that CT is a blue state, I was all for it. |
jenmito |
Jan-15-10 09:17 PM |
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Primaries and General Elections are two completely different critters! |
verges |
Jan-16-10 12:18 AM |
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There's a medium between absolute purity and total ideological incontinence. |
JVS |
Jan-15-10 09:11 PM |
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My hope is that Coakley wins by a large margin |
ProSense |
Jan-15-10 09:13 PM |
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Despite the annoyance of it all, there are also some decent learning experiences to be had... |
BlooInBloo |
Jan-15-10 09:15 PM |
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We can let them be in the party but we can't let them make the decisions. |
dkf |
Jan-15-10 09:17 PM |
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Until the rules in the Senate are changed, |
jenmito |
Jan-15-10 09:22 PM |
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No. If you let them get away with shenanigans they will |
dkf |
Jan-15-10 09:27 PM |
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There's also no good reason why Democrats can't use reconciliation |
depakid |
Jan-15-10 09:31 PM |
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Yes reconciliation was and is the way to go. |
dkf |
Jan-15-10 09:41 PM |
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Why are some people threatened by those who want to offer real alternatives |
DJ13 |
Jan-15-10 09:23 PM |
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Rec'd... |
firedupdem |
Jan-15-10 09:33 PM |
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They're politically naive. n/t |
WeDidIt |
Jan-15-10 09:35 PM |
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Because it is easier to stay pure and call for revolution than to get dirty an make one... |
Ozymanithrax |
Jan-15-10 09:53 PM |
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Ask your boss, Mr Emanuel about that. |
Sebastian Doyle |
Jan-15-10 09:59 PM |
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Let's see what the GOP was able to do with their pure base |
Ildem09 |
Jan-15-10 10:41 PM |
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They wanted to lose in '06 and '08? |
verges |
Jan-16-10 12:24 AM |
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When the 'tent" gets so big it includes --- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Jan-15-10 11:13 PM |
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What is considered the 'center' now was the 'right' 20 years ago |
niceypoo |
Jan-15-10 11:58 PM |
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Because those people ARE teabaggers. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jan-15-10 11:40 PM |
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Jan-16-10 12:20 AM |
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Better get used to it |
depakid |
Jan-16-10 11:25 AM |
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There should be an unrec tally at DU if only for this ridiculous thread. |
hulka38 |
Jan-16-10 01:05 AM |
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Well, it's at +3 right now. |
jenmito |
Jan-16-10 11:54 AM |
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Sky's the limit jen. |
hulka38 |
Jan-17-10 05:32 PM |
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WP:UNDUE... it's everywhere. |
boppers |
Jan-16-10 01:15 AM |
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Is it a conspiracy to claim that big banks, health insurance companies and big pharma |
hulka38 |
Jan-16-10 02:51 AM |
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Yes. |
boppers |
Jan-16-10 04:52 AM |
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The word "conspiracy" has morphed into meaning false, zany paranoia. That's false. |
hulka38 |
Jan-16-10 09:21 AM |
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Right, since we all agree on the public option, lets not be 'small tent' coporatists! |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-16-10 02:57 AM |
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I just don't want the party to be run by Joe Lieberman. Is that too much to ask for? |
DrToast |
Jan-16-10 03:40 AM |
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If you don't want a small tent party, |
MadHound |
Jan-16-10 07:11 AM |
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That's bull... |
jenmito |
Jan-16-10 09:11 PM |
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"When voters are given a choice between voting for a |
mochajava666 |
Jan-16-10 07:46 AM |
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The party might consider not taking the left so much for granted. |
Vinca |
Jan-16-10 08:06 AM |
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I can't imagine. And you're so right about what a disaster that would be. |
Phx_Dem |
Jan-16-10 08:59 AM |
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Corporations are NOT persons! Yet they occupied the best seats under the tent |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-16-10 09:30 AM |
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the Health Industry was so eager to cover all those people with pre-existing conditions, huh? |
Aramchek |
Jan-16-10 01:06 PM |
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No but their investors were quite happy at the mandates |
Warren Stupidity |
Jan-16-10 02:26 PM |
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having to cover people who are really sick is going to cut deeply into their profit margin |
Aramchek |
Jan-16-10 06:10 PM |
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Oh baloney |
treestar |
Jan-16-10 08:35 PM |
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Why can't we be just like Republicans and still win elections? |
PassingFair |
Jan-16-10 09:40 AM |
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It is the DLC-inspired politics of the last year that is killing us. |
freddie mertz |
Jan-16-10 11:36 AM |
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I just want it to be 'our' party. |
Warren Stupidity |
Jan-16-10 12:12 PM |
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Our BIG Tent is being occupied |
showpan |
Jan-16-10 01:33 PM |
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"What we need is a strong anti-corporatist party that stands up for the common people." |
ShortnFiery |
Jan-16-10 01:38 PM |
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How about "REAL" healthcare reform instead of |
golfguru |
Jan-16-10 01:38 PM |
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I haven't seen any who want that. |
LWolf |
Jan-17-10 06:07 PM |
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All you have to do is read some of the replies on this thread and you'd see it. |
jenmito |
Jan-17-10 06:52 PM |
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A quick glance at replies |
LWolf |
Jan-17-10 08:31 PM |
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You said, "I haven't seen any who want that." |
jenmito |
Jan-17-10 09:56 PM |
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No, I wouldn't like to retract that, and |
LWolf |
Jan-18-10 12:26 AM |
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I think big tents don't work. I think it's too great a spectrum that they are trying to serve and |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jan-17-10 06:11 PM |
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It managed to work with HCR so far. And people thought it WOULDN'T work... |
jenmito |
Jan-17-10 06:51 PM |
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Because I'm pro-choice, pro-gay rights, and pro-civil rights. That's why! |
shadesofgray |
Jan-17-10 06:41 PM |
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So am I. But some of the Dems. in Congress are not all of those things... |
jenmito |
Jan-17-10 06:47 PM |
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Reality check. |
depakid |
Jan-17-10 07:01 PM |
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I don't want a "small tent", I just want to kick the corporatists out of the tent before they... |
Odin2005 |
Jan-17-10 08:24 PM |
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Up is down. |
cornermouse |
Jan-17-10 08:53 PM |
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