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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 03:04 PM
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59. Not really. It means they decided to call it "just short" of a lie.
Not "Essentially true."

Not half true."

It's "barely true."

Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

And I would call their evaluation a generous one.

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  -FACTS MATTER: Candidate Obama DID promise a Public Option (O'Donnell). freddie mertz  Jan-10-10 12:10 PM   #0 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-10-10 12:11 PM   #1 
  - LOL ...  ShortnFiery   Jan-10-10 12:26 PM   #11 
  - He supported a public option. That doesn't mean he could force the Senate  pnwmom   Jan-10-10 12:13 PM   #2 
  - Fine, Just don't be a flip-flopper!  bigwillq   Jan-10-10 12:14 PM   #3 
  - He has never said he doesn't support one. But why should he advertise  pnwmom   Jan-10-10 12:27 PM   #12 
     - He denied he ever ran on it. Which was patently untrue.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 12:34 PM   #19 
     - Candidate Obama dd NOT PROMISE a Public Option  krawhitham   Jan-10-10 03:09 PM   #62 
        - He said "I did not CAMPAIGN" on a PO. Not "promise." Though he DID promise later.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 03:26 PM   #65 
     - He said he never campaigned on it.  bigwillq   Jan-10-10 12:37 PM   #22 
        - A Promise is more binding than "campaigning on" the same. One can campaign on meaningless THEMES  Land Shark   Jan-10-10 07:32 PM   #73 
        - 'caved to the repukes'  GinaMaria   Jan-13-10 01:31 PM   #150 
  - But he doesn't have to act like he never campaigned on it, as he's doing now.  Hello_Kitty   Jan-10-10 12:14 PM   #4 
  - Clinton and Edwards were always stronger on the public option than Obama.  pnwmom   Jan-10-10 12:30 PM   #15 
     - I heard candidate and President Obama promise a public option several times  Hello_Kitty   Jan-10-10 12:33 PM   #17 
        - Show me where he used the word "promise." As opposed to "support." n/t  pnwmom   Jan-10-10 12:43 PM   #26 
           - Are you trying to to be funny? nt.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 12:46 PM   #28 
           - No. I think there's an important difference between the words. n/t  pnwmom   Jan-10-10 12:49 PM   #32 
              - The word of contention in this case is "campaigned"....  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 12:53 PM   #39 
              - Especially with someone as untrustworthy as Obama.  jgraz   Jan-11-10 01:33 PM   #102 
           - Now you're just being an ass. Buh bye. eom  Hello_Kitty   Jan-10-10 12:47 PM   #30 
           - Taking your ball and going home?  tridim   Jan-10-10 12:50 PM   # 
           - We're gonna set up a public plan....." On the U-Tube video  Armstead   Jan-10-10 07:40 PM   #75 
           - Yes, he definitely campaigned on it.  freddie mertz   Jan-11-10 07:52 AM   #81 
           - your pretzel "logic" is downright just plain silly!!  shopgreen   Jan-11-10 02:35 PM   #111 
  - Different issue. Though it is not clear that he tried to "force" anything.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 12:16 PM   #6 
  - You mean those same senators, that when they ran, also promised a public option?  inthebrain   Jan-10-10 12:52 PM   #36 
  - Hard to "force" the Senate to pass a PO when he didn't even bother to push for one  brentspeak   Jan-10-10 02:49 PM   #56 
  - He signaled very early his willingness to give it up in fact.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 03:55 PM   #66 
  - No. He couldn't force them.  Kltpzyxm   Jan-10-10 05:18 PM   #71 
  - He came closest to that with "Any bill I sign MUST.."  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 07:03 PM   #72 
  - Ding,ding,ding  goclark   Jan-11-10 04:13 AM   #77 
  - Of course, he forces the Senate to *filibuster* drug re-importation  jgraz   Jan-11-10 12:07 PM   #95 
  - Pretty easy to explain -  karynnj   Jan-13-10 01:31 PM   #149 
  - Obama also said he would veto any bill without a public option!  shopgreen   Jan-11-10 02:34 PM   #110 
  - He spouted meaningless platitudes to convince people  Generator   Jan-11-10 02:39 PM   #114 
  - How often did you see him use the bully pulpit  golfguru   Jan-13-10 01:15 PM   #145 
  - Facts do matter  NJmaverick   Jan-10-10 12:16 PM   #5 
  - O"Donnell provides real proof, from Obama's own words and campaign website.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 12:17 PM   #7 
  - Simply put- No he doesn't  NJmaverick   Jan-10-10 02:44 PM   #54 
     - Who you gonna believe? Your own eyes and ears? nt.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 03:05 PM   #60 
  - You linked to Politifact, but their article mostly disagrees with you  Texastornado   Jan-10-10 12:23 PM   #10 
     - Wonderful catch! LOL X 50000000!!!!  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 12:29 PM   #13 
     - Barely true means the people accusing the Presdient of lying  NJmaverick   Jan-10-10 02:45 PM   #55 
        - Not really. It means they decided to call it "just short" of a lie.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 03:04 PM   #59 
        - Yes really, it's untrue and a false accuastion to accuse the President of lying  NJmaverick   Jan-10-10 03:10 PM   #63 
        - The issue is whether the statement was true or not.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 03:20 PM   #64 
        - Which is a HUGE pass on what is an obvious falsehood.  jgraz   Jan-11-10 12:26 PM   #99 
        - You ignored the other question: Why is the public option listed as promise #518?  Issaiah   Jan-10-10 05:13 PM   #70 
  - This place should be pissed about the lie.........  KansasVoter   Jan-10-10 12:18 PM   #8 
  - Obama's "Denial" of the PO promise was his lowest point so far.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 12:23 PM   #9 
  - And if we were all "pissed" about this..  tridim   Jan-10-10 12:46 PM   #29 
  - All we want are the FACTS, ma'am. The truth shall set you free.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 12:50 PM   #34 
  - The fact is that President and Candidate Obama supported the PO  tridim   Jan-10-10 12:52 PM   #37 
     - He claims he never campaigned on it. nt.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 12:58 PM   #41 
        - And he is lying.  KansasVoter   Jan-10-10 02:55 PM   #57 
        - He campaigned on Health Care Reform..  tridim   Jan-11-10 09:56 AM   #87 
           - The Dems and WH call it "Health INSURANCE reform" now.  freddie mertz   Jan-11-10 02:09 PM   #103 
  - Maybe an anecdote from my lunch today can help elucidate the big picture..  girl gone mad   Jan-11-10 05:45 AM   #79 
  - Maybe it's because they've been constantly lied to about the bill?  tridim   Jan-11-10 09:54 AM   #86 
     - Wait until Rahm turns his sites on Medicare and Social Security "reform"  dflprincess   Jan-11-10 09:16 PM   #132 
  - The big picture is that we thought we were voting for a different kind of politician.  jgraz   Jan-11-10 12:29 PM   #101 
  - +1  invictus   Jan-12-10 10:54 AM   #141 
  - K&R..the unrec crew is working hard to make this dissapear!! eom  flyarm   Jan-10-10 12:29 PM   #14 
  - They try hard, because they know that FACTS MATTER, and thus FEAR the facts.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 12:33 PM   #16 
  - Obama failed at achieving the public option  gravity   Jan-10-10 12:34 PM   #18 
  - Because he refuses to just level with us and tell us the truth?  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 12:37 PM   #23 
  - Saying that looks bad politically  gravity   Jan-10-10 12:50 PM   #35 
  - He didn't need to deny the facts.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 01:04 PM   #42 
  - You're putting more importance on him than on getting some sort of  treestar   Jan-11-10 04:17 PM   #129 
  - The outrage is directed at Obama because their outrage is ALWAYS directed at Obama  tridim   Jan-10-10 12:42 PM   #25 
     - Actually, I only posted this because the facts were denied here today.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 12:49 PM   #33 
     - If the public option was important to Obama - as he once claimed  dflprincess   Jan-11-10 09:14 PM   #131 
  - Oh No! Now I have to vote Republican - clearly more trustworthy!  stray cat   Jan-10-10 12:34 PM   #20 
  - THAT'S all you got from this? Sad.  katandmoon   Jan-10-10 12:36 PM   #21 
  - Union families hard hit by ObamaCare's tax on their health benefits  IndianaGreen   Jan-10-10 12:44 PM   #27 
  - Yes he promised, and it passed in the House and not the Senate.  ProSense   Jan-10-10 12:39 PM   #24 
  - Except sometimes, when FACTS ARE DENIED.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 12:48 PM   #31 
     - You can continue to be outraged over a comment, but  ProSense   Jan-10-10 12:53 PM   #38 
        - He is obviously backpedaling here from "must"....  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 12:57 PM   #40 
        - Then why is it okay for him to just throw out a near Republican like clumsy, stupid, arrogant lie  TheKentuckian   Jan-11-10 04:41 AM   #78 
  - Hey! You're stealing someone else's cliche! For shame! K&R  StarfarerBill   Jan-10-10 01:07 PM   #43 
  - It's a kind of "response" thread. THIS was one of the FACTS denied over there.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 01:13 PM   #44 
     - Of course they matter; and when faced with them, the locksteppers stumble in their backpedaling.  StarfarerBill   Jan-10-10 01:18 PM   #45 
        - You are so welcome!  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 01:22 PM   #47 
  - The senate bill offered an exchange for those without insurance.  jaxx   Jan-10-10 01:19 PM   #46 
  - Fine. But off topic. nt.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 01:46 PM   #49 
     - Maybe not.  jaxx   Jan-10-10 02:03 PM   #51 
        - By off-topic, I meant that the OP was about whether the prez CAMPAIGNED on a PO.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 02:24 PM   #52 
  - Facts do matter  MissDeeds   Jan-10-10 01:45 PM   #48 
  - You bet!  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 01:59 PM   #50 
  - Obama succeeded in failing to achieve a public option--as planned  ima_sinnic   Jan-10-10 02:39 PM   #53 
  - If Obama HAD been serious about the Public Option he would have made it central to the House Parties  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jan-11-10 07:23 AM   #80 
     - interesting--I had never heard feedback about the house party materials  ima_sinnic   Jan-11-10 07:56 AM   #83 
  - Sorry this particular fact doesn't matter  Egnever   Jan-10-10 02:57 PM   #58 
  - If anything, the president undermined himself. I had nothing to do with it.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 03:07 PM   #61 
  - What does the situation Obama inherited from Bush have to do with HCR?  brentspeak   Jan-10-10 04:09 PM   #67 
  - True, it is just not relevant any more  treestar   Jan-11-10 04:15 PM   #128 
  - In the July 17 video it looks to me like he was still working for a public plan.  anAustralianobserver   Jan-10-10 04:17 PM   #68 
  - Far from it in my case. I look at this as a great tragedy.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 04:42 PM   #69 
  - If Tiger was Pres: Tiger Woods never "campaigned on" fidelity, he "ONLY" promised it. WTF?? n/t  Land Shark   Jan-10-10 07:36 PM   #74 
  - He promised this too>>>>>>>>>  flyarm   Jan-11-10 04:07 AM   #76 
  - and he never, ever mentions those, nor does the rest of the MSM except Cafferty, Stewart,  freddie mertz   Jan-11-10 07:54 AM   #82 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-11-10 08:15 AM   #84 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-11-10 08:40 AM   #85 
  - couldnt care less  mkultra   Jan-11-10 10:49 AM   #88 
  - Is there no "bullshit" in "reality."  freddie mertz   Jan-11-10 11:38 AM   #89 
     - still dont care. Its the way politics goes  mkultra   Jan-11-10 12:28 PM   #100 
        - It is not my problem... It is all of our problem.  freddie mertz   Jan-13-10 04:39 PM   #159 
  - I'm passed the point..  DisgustedInMN   Jan-11-10 11:52 AM   #90 
  - FACTS MATTER: it didn't have the votes in congress.  dionysus   Jan-11-10 11:58 AM   #91 
  - Did he campaign on it or not?  freddie mertz   Jan-11-10 12:01 PM   #92 
     - you act like he has messiah-like powers to bend reality. have you ever dealt  dionysus   Jan-11-10 12:04 PM   #93 
        - we assume he has messiah-like powers to control what comes out of his own mouth.  jgraz   Jan-11-10 12:08 PM   #96 
        - Why won't any of these...  DisgustedInMN   Jan-11-10 12:13 PM   #97 
        - "Did he campaign on it?" is still the question.  freddie mertz   Jan-11-10 02:13 PM   #105 
           - The real problem is we've elected another "meaning of *is*" politician  jgraz   Jan-11-10 02:45 PM   #117 
           - i'm pretty sure he said he supported it, but did he promise it?  dionysus   Jan-11-10 02:51 PM   #120 
              - He "campaigned" on it. Then, later he said a bill "MUST" have it.  freddie mertz   Jan-11-10 02:54 PM   #122 
                 - then he shouldn't have said it.  dionysus   Jan-11-10 03:21 PM   #124 
                    - Right. He showed a certain contempt for his own electorate on that.  freddie mertz   Jan-12-10 10:51 AM   #139 
  - Can we keep this pinned to the top of the front page of GD?  Stinky The Clown   Jan-11-10 12:07 PM   #94 
  - I can kick it!  freddie mertz   Jan-11-10 02:09 PM   #104 
  - I've already bookmarked this one and the other "mostly untrue" thread  superduperfarleft   Jan-11-10 02:28 PM   #109 
     - Much of it is "pure comedy gold."  freddie mertz   Jan-11-10 02:49 PM   #118 
  - Now let's be fair. Did Obama ever *promise* to not totally lie to us?  jgraz   Jan-11-10 12:24 PM   #98 
  - Get it right. He only "barely lied" to us. n/t  superduperfarleft   Jan-11-10 02:15 PM   #106 
     - No, he barely told the truth. Which, of course, means  jgraz   Jan-11-10 02:19 PM   #107 
        - Maybe NJ is just a glass-half-full type of guy.  superduperfarleft   Jan-11-10 02:27 PM   #108 
        - The problem is what his glass is half-full *of*  jgraz   Jan-11-10 02:35 PM   #112 
           - LOL. n/t  superduperfarleft   Jan-11-10 02:39 PM   #115 
              - My friend is the King of Comedy.  freddie mertz   Jan-11-10 02:52 PM   #121 
                 - I'm here all week. Try the veal.  jgraz   Jan-11-10 02:57 PM   #123 
        - Unless you are the guy who claims that "barely true" means "100 % honest!"  freddie mertz   Jan-11-10 02:51 PM   #119 
        - It is like --you can't just be a little pregnant.  shopgreen   Jan-11-10 09:18 PM   #133 
  - Nancy Pelosi said it best when she said he'd promised "a lot of things" in his campaign.  David Zephyr   Jan-11-10 02:36 PM   #113 
  - Her frustration was palpable in the clip.  freddie mertz   Jan-11-10 02:42 PM   #116 
     - do you remove responsibility from the house and senate whose job it was to get those in the bills?  dionysus   Jan-11-10 03:22 PM   #125 
        - Excuse me?  DisgustedInMN   Jan-11-10 07:46 PM   #130 
        - the best pelosi got out of the house was a weak-ass public option and you know it.  dionysus   Jan-12-10 08:04 AM   #134 
           - A weak PO can be strengthened much more easily than NO PO can...  freddie mertz   Jan-12-10 08:36 AM   #136 
           - i can't disagree with you there. i'm afraid we need to replace all the blue dogs for that to happen.  dionysus   Jan-12-10 09:35 AM   #138 
              - Well, if this bill goes through in the Senate form..  freddie mertz   Jan-12-10 10:54 AM   #140 
           - What the hell are...  DisgustedInMN   Jan-12-10 10:54 AM   #142 
        - With the glaring exception of Stupak, House bill, while weak, of better than the terrible Senate bi  freddie mertz   Jan-12-10 08:35 AM   #135 
  - not the end of the road yet  Rosa Luxemburg   Jan-11-10 04:12 PM   #126 
  - But he's not going to get it  treestar   Jan-11-10 04:14 PM   #127 
  - Obama does not WANT the PO, I am now convinced it never mattered to him.  freddie mertz   Jan-12-10 08:38 AM   #137 
  - Kicking. Talk today about taxes, but let's not forget the public plan.  freddie mertz   Jan-13-10 01:05 PM   #143 
  - If Obama was a dictator he wouldn't have to deal with the obstructionists in his own party.  Lord Helmet   Jan-13-10 01:10 PM   #144 
  - I guess you wish he was a dictator then. nt.  freddie mertz   Jan-13-10 01:17 PM   #146 
     - hell yes I do on a number of issues -- but that's not the way democracy works  Lord Helmet   Jan-13-10 01:25 PM   #147 
        - How charming, Lord Metal Head.  freddie mertz   Jan-13-10 02:15 PM   #152 
           - lol -- name-calling doesn't make your "YOU LIE!!!!" argument any more cogent  Lord Helmet   Jan-13-10 02:18 PM   #154 
              - Well, at least I am not having waking dreams about dictators.  freddie mertz   Jan-13-10 02:24 PM   #155 
  - Reality matters too - there is no way to get the public option through the Senate  karynnj   Jan-13-10 01:28 PM   #148 
  - Then just admit that.  freddie mertz   Jan-13-10 02:17 PM   #153 
     - I have said that - and said it repeatedly  karynnj   Jan-13-10 02:27 PM   #156 
        - Then we actually agree. nt.  freddie mertz   Jan-13-10 02:40 PM   #158 
  - What does Obama gain from denying this?  GinaMaria   Jan-13-10 01:41 PM   #151 
  - He gained nothing of course. It hurt him. He needs better advisors.  freddie mertz   Jan-13-10 02:40 PM   #157 
  - Obama Demands: The Bill I Sign Must Include Public Option **  shopgreen   Jan-13-10 05:03 PM   #160 

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