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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 02:37 PM
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21. what unions have backed off?? Please name them..
Edited on Sat Jan-09-10 02:38 PM by flyarm
and as i have posted before..it doesn't matter if the Union leaders go along to get along..the Union members will bury the Dem party if this shitty tax on union people goes through!

count on that!

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Unions Rally to Oppose a Proposed Tax on Health Insurance (NYT)
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/09/business/09union.html


By STEVEN GREENHOUSE
Published: January 8, 2010

When millions of blue-collar workers were leaning toward John McCain during the 2008 campaign, labor unions moved many of them into Barack Obama’s column by repeatedly hammering one theme: Mr. McCain wanted to tax their health benefits.

But now labor leaders are fuming that President Obama has endorsed a tax on high-priced, employer-sponsored health insurance policies as a way to help cover the cost of health care reform. And as Senate and House leaders seek to negotiate a final health care bill, unions are pushing mightily to have that tax dropped from the legislation. Or at the very least, they want the price threshold raised so that the tax would affect fewer workers.

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In recent days, labor’s strategy has become clear. Unions are urging their members to flood their representatives with e-mail messages and phone calls in the hope that the House will stand fast and reject the tax. The A.F.L.-C.I.O., a federation of nine million union members, has declared next Wednesday “National Call-In Day” asking workers to call their lawmakers to urge them not to tax health benefits. The International Brotherhood of Teamsters is urging members to tell their representatives that “such a tax is simply a massive middle-class tax hike that this nation’s working families should not be forced to endure.”

Many Democrats fear that enacting the tax will hurt their re-election chances.

“This would really have a negative impact on the Democratic base,” said Representative Joe Courtney, Democrat of Connecticut, who has enlisted 190 House Democrats to sign a letter opposing the tax. “As far as the message goes, it’s a real toughie to defend.”

While union leaders would prefer killing the tax, some say privately that they could live with it if the threshold is lifted to $27,000, say, or $30,000. They argue that many insurance policies above $23,000 are typical of the coverage in high-cost areas like New York or Boston, or policies that cover small businesses or employers with older workers.

According to a union survey, one in four members would be hit by a $23,000 threshold, but only one in 14 if the threshold were raised to $27,000.

White House officials, however, voice concern that raising the threshold that much would lose $50 billion of the $149 billion in revenue that the tax is expected to generate over 10 years.

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  -So where is the Cadillac plan statistical proof mkultra  Jan-09-10 09:14 AM   #0 
  - I don't need any proof, Obama campaigned against  doc03   Jan-09-10 09:25 AM   #1 
  - Well i hardly doubt that  mkultra   Jan-09-10 09:27 AM   #2 
  - This is NOT McCain's plan and YOU KNOW IT  karynnj   Jan-09-10 10:07 PM   #45 
  - I have attempted to get the facts and have not been successful.  olegramps   Jan-09-10 09:33 AM   #3 
  - Nobody's health care insurance should be taxed  doc03   Jan-09-10 09:48 AM   #5 
  - And again, the bill doesnt suggest that  mkultra   Jan-09-10 09:50 AM   #7 
  - Can't you get it through your head the insurer doesn't pay  doc03   Jan-09-10 10:07 AM   #10 
  - +1 Keep trying.  Jakes Progress   Jan-10-10 11:52 AM   #57 
  - oh please even economic ignuts know the tax will be passed onto the middle class!  flyarm   Jan-09-10 03:30 PM   #27 
  - Obama campaigned against it. McCain FOR it. NYT's Bob Herbert and other explain below:  chimpymustgo   Jan-09-10 10:04 AM   #9 
  - This Cadillac tax in my opinion was a "Poison Pill"  doc03   Jan-09-10 10:27 AM   #15 
  - Fight for single payer, NO. Fight for PO, NO. Fight for trigger..NO.  wroberts189   Jan-09-10 03:30 PM   #26 
  - Wrong.  ProSense   Jan-09-10 12:56 PM   #18 
     - When millions of blue-collar workers were leaning toward John McCain during the 2008 campaign  flyarm   Jan-09-10 03:32 PM   #28 
        - "When millions of blue-collar workers were leaning toward John McCain during the 2008 campaign"  ProSense   Jan-09-10 03:34 PM   #29 
           - I didn't write the article..the NYTIMES did..why don't you write them and ask them?  flyarm   Jan-09-10 04:08 PM   #35 
           - call the AFL-CIO..and ask them your questions..they were the ones giving the interview!  flyarm   Jan-09-10 04:37 PM   #40 
           - It seems like little difference now n/t  doc03   Jan-09-10 10:13 PM   # 
  - I disagree  SpartanDem   Jan-09-10 10:15 AM   #14 
  - I will match that and raise you one...  wroberts189   Jan-09-10 03:16 PM   #24 
  - I don't know what my company pays for health care insurance,  doc03   Jan-09-10 09:56 AM   #8 
  - If you dont know, then you dont know  mkultra   Jan-09-10 03:50 PM   #31 
  - The AFL-CIO is against it--more unions have backed off their opposition  quiller4   Jan-09-10 11:23 AM   #16 
  - what unions have backed off?? Please name them..  flyarm   Jan-09-10 02:37 PM   #21 
     - Names..all i hear is crickets..name the unions backing off!!! eom  flyarm   Jan-09-10 06:50 PM   #42 
  - I wonder if the truth is in your last sentence  karynnj   Jan-09-10 10:09 PM   #46 
     - i woudl hate to accuse Union leaders of this but its starting to look like it  mkultra   Jan-10-10 10:01 AM   #49 
  - Good question. Personally I'm not selfish enough to be concerned about being taxed  MH1   Jan-09-10 09:39 AM   #4 
  - im not either  mkultra   Jan-09-10 09:48 AM   #6 
  - Me either. If I get in 21K a year cost territory my new health insurance plan will be a savings  harun   Jan-09-10 10:11 AM   #11 
  - apologies if you thought my comment was directed at you  MH1   Jan-09-10 10:15 AM   #13 
  - You may be concerned when you find that you health insurance is no longer decent  depakid   Jan-09-10 02:20 PM   #19 
     - mine is already high deductible and I'm okay with that  MH1   Jan-09-10 04:04 PM   #34 
        - are you willing to have high deductable and 100% worse coverage?  flyarm   Jan-09-10 04:11 PM   #36 
        - You're willing to fuck the middle class and leave the rich untouched  Hello_Kitty   Jan-10-10 11:50 AM   #56 
  - I think part of the problem is that the cost depends on where you work  MiniMe   Jan-09-10 10:13 AM   #12 
  - There is help for small businesses  HughMoran   Jan-09-10 02:58 PM   #23 
  - See post #9. Those are CBO and congresses own numbers which anyone would give validity.  dkf   Jan-09-10 12:15 PM   #17 
  - This kind of blind faith is what im questioning  mkultra   Jan-09-10 03:54 PM   #32 
     - I don't see any conflict.  Vattel   Jan-09-10 07:12 PM   #43 
        - well, that is concievable but  mkultra   Jan-10-10 09:58 AM   #48 
  - Unions Rally to Oppose a Proposed Tax on Health Insurance (NYT)  flyarm   Jan-09-10 02:35 PM   #20 
  - your function as a member of the echo chamber is fullfilled  mkultra   Jan-09-10 03:55 PM   #33 
     - call the AFL-CIO! I am sure they would be more than willing to give you an earful right now!!  flyarm   Jan-09-10 04:13 PM   #38 
  - Perhaps your figures are the ones that are incorrect  blueworld   Jan-09-10 02:42 PM   #22 
  - My numbers come from Kaiser, they dont seem to have any numbers  mkultra   Jan-09-10 03:48 PM   #30 
  - Unions Rally to Oppose a Proposed Tax on Health Insurance (NYT)  flyarm   Jan-09-10 03:25 PM   #25 
  - That was a good article with details on how families will be HIT..  shopgreen   Jan-09-10 04:11 PM   #37 
     - shame some call it an echo chamber then ask stupid questions ..because they didn't bother to read it  flyarm   Jan-09-10 04:33 PM   #39 
     - Yep, they aren't going to find a bus big enough  spoony   Jan-10-10 10:13 AM   #54 
     - Actually, the article contains no details  mkultra   Jan-10-10 10:02 AM   #50 
  - We have Kaiser Permanente CA and it cost around $14,000 for a family of 3 per year  tandot   Jan-09-10 04:47 PM   #41 
  - But can you imagine what a plan twice the costs must get you?  mkultra   Jan-10-10 10:03 AM   #51 
     - I can't really imagine that.  tandot   Jan-10-10 01:12 PM   #62 
  - I agree that it seems really high  Vattel   Jan-09-10 07:22 PM   #44 
  - You've gotten your statistical proof in this thread and the other 3 you started.  last1standing   Jan-09-10 10:13 PM   #47 
  - Your an idiot and should know better than to speak when grown ups are talking  mkultra   Jan-10-10 10:07 AM   #52 
     - Grown-ups know that "your an idiot" is something children write.  spoony   Jan-10-10 10:10 AM   #53 
        - yes, thanks for the copy edit.  mkultra   Jan-10-10 11:41 AM   #55 
  - Where is statistical proof that wages will rise because of this excise tax?  Hello_Kitty   Jan-10-10 11:52 AM   #58 
  - You can't have "statistical proof" for something that has never been implemented  karynnj   Jan-10-10 12:18 PM   #60 
  - The only thing is that I'm not putting a specific, and large, dollar value on my lack of proof.  Hello_Kitty   Jan-10-10 12:25 PM   #61 
     - As I said they are using econometric models that produce that result  karynnj   Jan-10-10 05:55 PM   #63 
        - Economists are frequently wrong.  Hello_Kitty   Jan-10-10 06:14 PM   #65 
  - Well, there is none and in fact  mkultra   Jan-11-10 09:02 AM   #68 
  - I support Obama on this issue. Obama in 2008.  freddie mertz   Jan-10-10 12:14 PM   #59 
  - F**K FACTS!!!! I jus make shit up and Obama is a corporatist!! PONY!! /sarcasm  uponit7771   Jan-10-10 06:01 PM   #64 
  - What does the CBO say?  TheKentuckian   Jan-10-10 06:33 PM   #66 
     - "at which point the move to lower level insurance wil be forced."  mkultra   Jan-11-10 09:01 AM   #67 
 

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