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Sat Jan-09-10 11:23 AM
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| 16. The AFL-CIO is against it--more unions have backed off their opposition |
| -So where is the Cadillac plan statistical proof |
mkultra |
Jan-09-10 09:14 AM |
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I don't need any proof, Obama campaigned against |
doc03 |
Jan-09-10 09:25 AM |
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Well i hardly doubt that |
mkultra |
Jan-09-10 09:27 AM |
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This is NOT McCain's plan and YOU KNOW IT |
karynnj |
Jan-09-10 10:07 PM |
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I have attempted to get the facts and have not been successful. |
olegramps |
Jan-09-10 09:33 AM |
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Nobody's health care insurance should be taxed |
doc03 |
Jan-09-10 09:48 AM |
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And again, the bill doesnt suggest that |
mkultra |
Jan-09-10 09:50 AM |
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Can't you get it through your head the insurer doesn't pay |
doc03 |
Jan-09-10 10:07 AM |
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+1 Keep trying. |
Jakes Progress |
Jan-10-10 11:52 AM |
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oh please even economic ignuts know the tax will be passed onto the middle class! |
flyarm |
Jan-09-10 03:30 PM |
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Obama campaigned against it. McCain FOR it. NYT's Bob Herbert and other explain below: |
chimpymustgo |
Jan-09-10 10:04 AM |
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This Cadillac tax in my opinion was a "Poison Pill" |
doc03 |
Jan-09-10 10:27 AM |
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Fight for single payer, NO. Fight for PO, NO. Fight for trigger..NO. |
wroberts189 |
Jan-09-10 03:30 PM |
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Wrong. |
ProSense |
Jan-09-10 12:56 PM |
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When millions of blue-collar workers were leaning toward John McCain during the 2008 campaign |
flyarm |
Jan-09-10 03:32 PM |
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"When millions of blue-collar workers were leaning toward John McCain during the 2008 campaign" |
ProSense |
Jan-09-10 03:34 PM |
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I didn't write the article..the NYTIMES did..why don't you write them and ask them? |
flyarm |
Jan-09-10 04:08 PM |
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call the AFL-CIO..and ask them your questions..they were the ones giving the interview! |
flyarm |
Jan-09-10 04:37 PM |
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It seems like little difference now n/t |
doc03 |
Jan-09-10 10:13 PM |
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I disagree |
SpartanDem |
Jan-09-10 10:15 AM |
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I will match that and raise you one... |
wroberts189 |
Jan-09-10 03:16 PM |
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I don't know what my company pays for health care insurance, |
doc03 |
Jan-09-10 09:56 AM |
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If you dont know, then you dont know |
mkultra |
Jan-09-10 03:50 PM |
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The AFL-CIO is against it--more unions have backed off their opposition |
quiller4 |
Jan-09-10 11:23 AM |
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what unions have backed off?? Please name them.. |
flyarm |
Jan-09-10 02:37 PM |
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Names..all i hear is crickets..name the unions backing off!!! eom |
flyarm |
Jan-09-10 06:50 PM |
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I wonder if the truth is in your last sentence |
karynnj |
Jan-09-10 10:09 PM |
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i woudl hate to accuse Union leaders of this but its starting to look like it |
mkultra |
Jan-10-10 10:01 AM |
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Good question. Personally I'm not selfish enough to be concerned about being taxed |
MH1 |
Jan-09-10 09:39 AM |
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im not either |
mkultra |
Jan-09-10 09:48 AM |
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Me either. If I get in 21K a year cost territory my new health insurance plan will be a savings |
harun |
Jan-09-10 10:11 AM |
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apologies if you thought my comment was directed at you |
MH1 |
Jan-09-10 10:15 AM |
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You may be concerned when you find that you health insurance is no longer decent |
depakid |
Jan-09-10 02:20 PM |
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mine is already high deductible and I'm okay with that |
MH1 |
Jan-09-10 04:04 PM |
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are you willing to have high deductable and 100% worse coverage? |
flyarm |
Jan-09-10 04:11 PM |
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You're willing to fuck the middle class and leave the rich untouched |
Hello_Kitty |
Jan-10-10 11:50 AM |
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I think part of the problem is that the cost depends on where you work |
MiniMe |
Jan-09-10 10:13 AM |
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There is help for small businesses |
HughMoran |
Jan-09-10 02:58 PM |
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See post #9. Those are CBO and congresses own numbers which anyone would give validity. |
dkf |
Jan-09-10 12:15 PM |
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This kind of blind faith is what im questioning |
mkultra |
Jan-09-10 03:54 PM |
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I don't see any conflict. |
Vattel |
Jan-09-10 07:12 PM |
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well, that is concievable but |
mkultra |
Jan-10-10 09:58 AM |
#48 |
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Unions Rally to Oppose a Proposed Tax on Health Insurance (NYT) |
flyarm |
Jan-09-10 02:35 PM |
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your function as a member of the echo chamber is fullfilled |
mkultra |
Jan-09-10 03:55 PM |
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call the AFL-CIO! I am sure they would be more than willing to give you an earful right now!! |
flyarm |
Jan-09-10 04:13 PM |
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Perhaps your figures are the ones that are incorrect |
blueworld |
Jan-09-10 02:42 PM |
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My numbers come from Kaiser, they dont seem to have any numbers |
mkultra |
Jan-09-10 03:48 PM |
#30 |
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Unions Rally to Oppose a Proposed Tax on Health Insurance (NYT) |
flyarm |
Jan-09-10 03:25 PM |
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That was a good article with details on how families will be HIT.. |
shopgreen |
Jan-09-10 04:11 PM |
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shame some call it an echo chamber then ask stupid questions ..because they didn't bother to read it |
flyarm |
Jan-09-10 04:33 PM |
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Yep, they aren't going to find a bus big enough |
spoony |
Jan-10-10 10:13 AM |
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Actually, the article contains no details |
mkultra |
Jan-10-10 10:02 AM |
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We have Kaiser Permanente CA and it cost around $14,000 for a family of 3 per year |
tandot |
Jan-09-10 04:47 PM |
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But can you imagine what a plan twice the costs must get you? |
mkultra |
Jan-10-10 10:03 AM |
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I can't really imagine that. |
tandot |
Jan-10-10 01:12 PM |
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I agree that it seems really high |
Vattel |
Jan-09-10 07:22 PM |
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You've gotten your statistical proof in this thread and the other 3 you started. |
last1standing |
Jan-09-10 10:13 PM |
#47 |
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Your an idiot and should know better than to speak when grown ups are talking |
mkultra |
Jan-10-10 10:07 AM |
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Grown-ups know that "your an idiot" is something children write. |
spoony |
Jan-10-10 10:10 AM |
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yes, thanks for the copy edit. |
mkultra |
Jan-10-10 11:41 AM |
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Where is statistical proof that wages will rise because of this excise tax? |
Hello_Kitty |
Jan-10-10 11:52 AM |
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You can't have "statistical proof" for something that has never been implemented |
karynnj |
Jan-10-10 12:18 PM |
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The only thing is that I'm not putting a specific, and large, dollar value on my lack of proof. |
Hello_Kitty |
Jan-10-10 12:25 PM |
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As I said they are using econometric models that produce that result |
karynnj |
Jan-10-10 05:55 PM |
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Economists are frequently wrong. |
Hello_Kitty |
Jan-10-10 06:14 PM |
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Well, there is none and in fact |
mkultra |
Jan-11-10 09:02 AM |
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I support Obama on this issue. Obama in 2008. |
freddie mertz |
Jan-10-10 12:14 PM |
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F**K FACTS!!!! I jus make shit up and Obama is a corporatist!! PONY!! /sarcasm |
uponit7771 |
Jan-10-10 06:01 PM |
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What does the CBO say? |
TheKentuckian |
Jan-10-10 06:33 PM |
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"at which point the move to lower level insurance wil be forced." |
mkultra |
Jan-11-10 09:01 AM |
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