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Tue Dec-29-09 08:19 AM
Response to Reply #58 |
| 60. Lieberman is a centrist |
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Baucus is a centrist. Centrist = conservadem
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| -Why do Obama's critics think they own the rights to the label "progressive" |
ProSense |
Dec-28-09 10:17 PM |
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and "base." NT |
Clio the Leo |
Dec-28-09 10:19 PM |
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"Why are most progressives critical of Obama?" is real question. |
unc70 |
Dec-29-09 04:14 PM |
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Obama doesn't call himself a progressive. He calls himself a moderate. |
dkf |
Dec-28-09 10:22 PM |
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Right |
ProSense |
Dec-28-09 10:25 PM |
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Add up all the vectors and he's a solid progressive. |
tridim |
Dec-28-09 10:31 PM |
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I don't see an agenda that will decrease poverty or create jobs beyond saving state employees. |
dkf |
Dec-29-09 01:07 AM |
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Where's a quote of him calling himself a moderate? n/t |
jenmito |
Dec-28-09 10:28 PM |
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"I am a New Democrat" |
Enrique |
Dec-29-09 12:33 AM |
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An unsourced quote from a Politico article? |
ProSense |
Dec-29-09 01:19 AM |
#48 |
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I consider progressive to be left of liberal. |
Phx_Dem |
Dec-29-09 12:59 PM |
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you forgot the sarcasm icon again |
niyad |
Dec-28-09 10:23 PM |
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It wasn't sarcasm. n/t |
ProSense |
Dec-28-09 10:26 PM |
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IBTL |
ClassWarrior |
Dec-28-09 10:25 PM |
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What? n/t |
ProSense |
Dec-28-09 10:26 PM |
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I posted this earlier ... |
NanceGreggs |
Dec-28-09 10:28 PM |
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That works both ways |
Armstead |
Dec-28-09 10:29 PM |
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+1 n/t |
firedupdem |
Dec-28-09 10:29 PM |
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I'd change the last part to, "If you don't, you're a Corporatist." |
jenmito |
Dec-28-09 10:30 PM |
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That's true. But "a group of people" is far different... |
ClassWarrior |
Dec-28-09 10:31 PM |
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Yuppers. |
NanceGreggs |
Dec-28-09 10:35 PM |
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And that's why your analysis is correct, and the OP's is... |
ClassWarrior |
Dec-28-09 10:37 PM |
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Don't be ridiculous. There is no mention of anyone but critics in the OP. n/t |
ProSense |
Dec-28-09 10:39 PM |
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To describe this OP as "divisive flamebait" ... |
NanceGreggs |
Dec-28-09 10:47 PM |
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So because it's only relatively divisive, it's okay? |
ClassWarrior |
Dec-28-09 11:08 PM |
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To be perfectly candid, ClassWarrior ... |
NanceGreggs |
Dec-29-09 01:57 AM |
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It's interesting that you chose to post this here |
ProSense |
Dec-28-09 10:43 PM |
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sadly, it's that simple |
HughMoran |
Dec-29-09 01:24 PM |
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This is my response from to your post in my Liberal thread |
Armstead |
Dec-28-09 10:30 PM |
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Well said. - n/t |
Zenlitened |
Dec-29-09 04:48 PM |
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I see you are winning hearts and minds, just as Obama's drone attacks are |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-28-09 10:30 PM |
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LOL. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-29-09 12:45 PM |
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Well, here's a handy dandy little quiz.... |
Clio the Leo |
Dec-28-09 10:39 PM |
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I scored 240 out of 400. |
Kaleva |
Dec-28-09 10:49 PM |
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374 (nt) |
dflprincess |
Dec-28-09 10:56 PM |
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I'm probably at the low end compared to many here. |
Kaleva |
Dec-28-09 11:07 PM |
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305 |
Armstead |
Dec-28-09 11:33 PM |
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361 |
Undercurrent |
Dec-28-09 11:37 PM |
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I scored 356 |
nevergiveup |
Dec-29-09 12:09 AM |
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You and me both. |
Undercurrent |
Dec-29-09 01:13 AM |
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378/400 |
MerryBlooms |
Dec-29-09 07:03 AM |
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"Should be" on some watch list? Why any doubt? |
unc70 |
Dec-29-09 03:50 PM |
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371 was my score. |
Jamastiene |
Dec-29-09 10:46 AM |
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339........ |
CrownPrinceBandar |
Dec-29-09 11:08 AM |
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339 nt. |
CBR |
Dec-29-09 11:53 AM |
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364 n/t |
DisgustedInMN |
Dec-29-09 12:12 PM |
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You should post this as a poll in both GD and GDP |
andym |
Dec-29-09 12:38 PM |
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373/400 here. |
racaulk |
Dec-29-09 01:08 PM |
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I took the liberty of creating a poll for GD based on your link. |
andym |
Dec-29-09 01:23 PM |
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I got 340/400 or "Extremely Progressive" |
HughMoran |
Dec-29-09 01:37 PM |
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I think of progressive as left of and below center in this chart: |
noamnety |
Dec-28-09 11:04 PM |
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The leftier than thou folks ain't talkin' 'bout much |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-28-09 11:07 PM |
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If you believe corporations have too much power and should be reined in.... |
Armstead |
Dec-28-09 11:28 PM |
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Oh, I'm a pretty good lefty, I just don't get the pissing contest aspect that goes on here |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-28-09 11:43 PM |
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If you criticize someone from the left, you naturally consider yourself progressive relative to him. |
burning rain |
Dec-28-09 11:15 PM |
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The reality is based on objective review of policies and actions |
depakid |
Dec-28-09 11:24 PM |
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It's nonsense. |
ProSense |
Dec-28-09 11:42 PM |
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Progressive positions on the issues aren't "opinion" |
depakid |
Dec-28-09 11:52 PM |
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Neither is spin. Speaking of records |
ProSense |
Dec-28-09 11:59 PM |
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All you ever do is spin- and worse- repeat whatever the spin of the day is |
depakid |
Dec-29-09 01:17 AM |
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What a joke |
ProSense |
Dec-29-09 07:36 AM |
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Don't you have articles to cut and paste? |
Oregone |
Dec-28-09 11:59 PM |
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"cut and paste" = I disagree with what you posted. |
ProSense |
Dec-29-09 12:11 AM |
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No, it means you just regurgitate copyrighted material verbatim |
Oregone |
Dec-29-09 01:51 AM |
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Evidently, you also don't know what you're talking about. n/t |
ProSense |
Dec-29-09 07:39 AM |
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do you find something wrong with Obama being a centrist? |
Enrique |
Dec-29-09 12:36 AM |
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Recommended. n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Dec-29-09 12:41 AM |
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K&R |
AVID |
Dec-29-09 12:43 AM |
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How would you define the label, "progressive?" nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-29-09 01:12 AM |
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"Holier than thou" is part of every social scene. |
boppers |
Dec-29-09 03:08 AM |
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Sorry, can't reconcile being bigoted with being a progressive. |
VMI Dem |
Dec-29-09 07:04 AM |
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huh? I have no idea what you're attempting to say? care to be more explicit? |
cali |
Dec-29-09 07:13 AM |
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I'm not altogether certain that Obama is a Progressive.... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Dec-29-09 08:03 AM |
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I thought "centrist" was the meme du jour. Now the centrists are co-opting "progressive"? |
ima_sinnic |
Dec-29-09 08:13 AM |
#58 |
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Lieberman is a centrist |
niceypoo |
Dec-29-09 08:19 AM |
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Lieberman is a reactionary crypto-fascist |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-29-09 03:37 PM |
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Change doesnt come through bowing and scraping |
niceypoo |
Dec-29-09 08:17 AM |
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currently, just below this in GDP: "Under the radar, Obama pushes for Patriot Act renewal" |
ima_sinnic |
Dec-29-09 08:25 AM |
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From that thread |
ProSense |
Dec-29-09 11:12 AM |
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Delete - posted in wrong place |
Jamastiene |
Dec-29-09 10:45 AM |
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Jane Hamsher is a rightwingnut who joined with racists |
WeDidIt |
Dec-29-09 11:12 AM |
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To be fair she is a leftwing nut that joined with racists, anti-labor assholes, torture lovers, and |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-30-09 02:00 PM |
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Thanks for pointing the false framing that is frequently employed |
NJmaverick |
Dec-29-09 11:37 AM |
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Try to sell this boolshit to Bill Moyers!!! Then throw him under the Obama bus. |
Major Hogwash |
Dec-29-09 01:13 PM |
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Yes bad bad Bill Moyers.....He's about due for the gulliotine too |
Armstead |
Dec-29-09 01:28 PM |
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Beats the terms you use. nt. |
freddie mertz |
Dec-29-09 01:16 PM |
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My rep is John Lewis - he agrees with almost every thing I say. Obama is F-ing up in a major way. |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-29-09 02:52 PM |
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I don't. |
LWolf |
Dec-30-09 07:43 AM |
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believe it's more accurate to say "center left" politics |
Armstead |
Dec-30-09 08:47 AM |
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Maybe. |
LWolf |
Dec-30-09 11:57 AM |
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Personally I think "the center" is really big -- and "left" depends on who's discussing |
Armstead |
Dec-30-09 12:15 PM |
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I agree with most of that. |
LWolf |
Dec-30-09 12:41 PM |
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i hate the term progressive. reclaim the word "liberal" people... |
dionysus |
Dec-30-09 01:14 PM |
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Would you describe your views as progressive? |
freddie mertz |
Dec-30-09 01:34 PM |
#91 |
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