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Wed Aug-06-08 08:49 PM
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| 99. Venezuelans protest Chavez's new socialist push |
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 CARACAS, Venezuela - Riot police used tear gas Wednesday to block hundreds of Venezuelans protesting the latest moves by President Hugo Chavez to concentrate his power. The demonstrators said a blacklist of opposition candidates and a series of socialist decrees are destroying what's left of their democracy
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Chavez opponents also are outraged by 26 laws the president just decreed, some of them mirroring the socialist measures voters rejected in a December referendum.
"We said in the referendum that we didn't want that, and now he's put it in the decrees," said protester Josefina Bravo, a 59-year-old who wore a sticker reading "No means no" on her baseball cap. "That's the problem we have: All the powers are concentrated in the president."
Chavez issued the decrees just before the expiration of special legislative powers that allowed him to make laws without National Assembly approval for the past 18 months.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080806/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/v... I know I know, with time, history will prove this el presidente made the tough decisions at the right time  |
| -Venezuela's Chavez pushes through 26 decrees |
Zorro |
Aug-05-08 09:36 PM |
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Good for Chavez - putting the needs of the people |
bitchkitty |
Aug-05-08 09:49 PM |
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And by decree at that |
wvbygod |
Aug-06-08 12:35 PM |
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they voted again...and got it right this time |
ohio2007 |
Mar-04-09 08:43 PM |
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Our Venezuelan friends have much to teach us about the workings of democracy |
Psephos |
Aug-05-08 09:53 PM |
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Ask that asshole Carmona why he fears democracy. |
bemildred |
Aug-05-08 09:58 PM |
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and repression will keep him there nt |
realisticphish |
Aug-05-08 10:00 PM |
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And elections will keep him there. nt |
bemildred |
Aug-05-08 10:06 PM |
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elections where he's the only candidate |
realisticphish |
Aug-05-08 10:12 PM |
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There have been no such elections in Venezula, and there will not be. |
bemildred |
Aug-05-08 10:26 PM |
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Not every "Man of the People" becomes a dictator ......hmm |
ohio2007 |
Mar-04-09 08:47 PM |
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uh, huh |
paulk |
Aug-05-08 10:39 PM |
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"The Facts about the List of 'Banned Candidates' in Venezuela" |
Peace Patriot |
Aug-06-08 02:21 AM |
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and who appoints this "comptroller general" fellow? |
paulk |
Aug-06-08 09:48 AM |
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Cool...more edicts by chavez appointment and backed up by a chavez blogsite |
wvbygod |
Aug-06-08 12:42 PM |
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Aug-06-08 12:52 PM |
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That's pretty democratic isn't it? lol n/t |
Sezu |
Aug-06-08 12:53 PM |
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DU'ers were aware long ago that the decision to block these candidates being investigated for corrup |
Judi Lynn |
Aug-05-08 10:57 PM |
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The Facts about the List of “Banned Candidates” in Venezuela |
Judi Lynn |
Aug-05-08 11:07 PM |
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Judi Lynn |
IggyReed |
Aug-06-08 12:30 PM |
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IN our country, "a public official commits fraud, rips off tax payers and steals from all of us" is |
Judi Lynn |
Aug-06-08 01:28 PM |
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Maybe... |
IggyReed |
Aug-06-08 01:38 PM |
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It doesn't take them long to spew their labels, like Joe McCarthy, without substance. |
Judi Lynn |
Aug-06-08 01:49 PM |
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Thank you!! for these posts. Very much appreciated. |
iconicgnom |
Aug-06-08 11:28 PM |
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Aug-06-08 12:21 PM |
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Making up lies about socialist leaders. Where've I seen that before? |
iconicgnom |
Aug-06-08 11:16 PM |
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ruling by decree is democratic? |
paulk |
Aug-05-08 10:03 PM |
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You need to read up on how law is made here in the good old USA. |
bemildred |
Aug-05-08 10:05 PM |
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what does the status of the USA have to do with Venezuela nt |
realisticphish |
Aug-05-08 10:13 PM |
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"Ruling by decree" is how most law is made here in the USA. |
bemildred |
Aug-05-08 10:23 PM |
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can't you do any better than that? |
paulk |
Aug-05-08 10:24 PM |
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I guess talking to you got me confused about that for a moment ... nt |
bemildred |
Aug-05-08 10:27 PM |
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and here comes the personal insults |
paulk |
Aug-05-08 10:36 PM |
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Well, I just couldn't resist after you started talking about not being stupid and everything. nt |
bemildred |
Aug-05-08 10:43 PM |
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defend Chavez. |
paulk |
Aug-05-08 11:19 PM |
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Aug-05-08 11:26 PM |
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if he'd done it by decree back then he would have had a civil war |
paulk |
Aug-05-08 11:39 PM |
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The reforms he was interested in were 33, not the entire 69 issues which appeared in the referendum. |
Judi Lynn |
Aug-06-08 01:07 AM |
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then why did he try to shove all 69 down the throat of VZ? |
paulk |
Aug-06-08 09:41 AM |
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Rest assured... |
Flatulo |
Mar-06-09 09:15 PM |
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No. You don't listen, you just insult. |
bemildred |
Aug-06-08 07:30 AM |
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LOL! |
paulk |
Aug-06-08 09:35 AM |
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Explain why you think it's "undemocratic" for Bill Clinton to have reinstated aid-- |
eridani |
Aug-06-08 06:20 PM |
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get real - |
paulk |
Aug-06-08 08:55 PM |
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Explain what the difference is between a "decree" and an "executive order" n/t |
eridani |
Aug-07-08 06:08 AM |
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I doubt that anyone who isn't a complete fucking idiot |
paulk |
Aug-07-08 10:34 AM |
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Really? |
IggyReed |
Aug-07-08 01:07 PM |
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those policies did not result from executive orders |
paulk |
Aug-07-08 01:27 PM |
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Aug-07-08 02:08 PM |
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It's obvious. Because King Hugo knows best. |
Dave From Canada |
Mar-07-09 06:02 PM |
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Aug-06-08 01:34 AM |
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How can you back Chavez... |
IggyReed |
Aug-06-08 12:38 PM |
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OK. Is instituting laws by decree that have been VOTED DOWN by the citzenry democratic? |
rinsd |
Aug-06-08 04:46 PM |
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This is rule by decree: |
bemildred |
Aug-06-08 05:16 PM |
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I'll take that as agreement that rule by decree is not democratic. |
rinsd |
Aug-06-08 05:35 PM |
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It also seems to be O.K. when US puppets rule by decree, and it seems it was fine |
Judi Lynn |
Aug-06-08 05:46 PM |
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The point is that "Rule by decree" is not the same thing as making law by decree. |
bemildred |
Aug-06-08 05:58 PM |
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So using law by decree to circumvent a democratic vote by the citizenry is democratic... |
rinsd |
Aug-06-08 06:10 PM |
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No, it's autocratic, authoritarian, especially is there is no way to appeal. |
bemildred |
Aug-06-08 06:20 PM |
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And it's OK when Gacria and Uribe do it? |
eridani |
Aug-06-08 06:21 PM |
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"Didn't consult major business groups"? Oh, the humanity! |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Aug-05-08 10:01 PM |
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True enough |
Texano78704 |
Aug-07-08 08:12 PM |
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Is this the same business community that failed to "consult" with Chavez when trying to kill him??? |
Selatius |
Aug-05-08 10:06 PM |
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Venezuela makes only minor change to bank law (Reuters) |
struggle4progress |
Aug-05-08 10:38 PM |
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Thanks for the illuminating article from Reuters, of all sources! Very interesting. |
Judi Lynn |
Aug-05-08 11:10 PM |
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The international banking community needed an accurate report, I should guess |
struggle4progress |
Aug-05-08 11:35 PM |
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What? |
Texano78704 |
Aug-07-08 08:15 PM |
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Quite the spin on that AP article as per usual. Who wouldn't immediate stampede over to ask question |
Judi Lynn |
Aug-05-08 11:24 PM |
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Some of the laws referenced in the OP |
Rage for Order |
Aug-05-08 11:29 PM |
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That would only alarm whore/hogs who have been bilking the masses. |
Judi Lynn |
Aug-05-08 11:37 PM |
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You're being snarky with the wrong person |
Rage for Order |
Aug-05-08 11:41 PM |
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Who wouldn't have noticed you were using the article? You said you were, as in "OP." n/t |
Judi Lynn |
Aug-06-08 01:05 AM |
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The I have to wonder... |
Rage for Order |
Aug-06-08 08:19 PM |
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So you endorse the creation of Venezuelan paramilitary organizations |
Zorro |
Aug-06-08 09:08 AM |
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New Decrees From Chávez Mirror Spurned Measures |
Bacchus39 |
Aug-06-08 07:39 AM |
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It's the Associated Pukes. So we're only getting half the story... |
Peace Patriot |
Aug-06-08 02:10 AM |
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it is not helpful that our candidate repeats the puke mantra |
leftchick |
Aug-06-08 07:43 AM |
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I learn many things on these threads |
Zorro |
Aug-06-08 09:11 AM |
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And the thug expands his President for Life status. |
onehandle |
Aug-06-08 06:00 AM |
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When Chavez rule by decree, it's "democratic" |
robcon |
Aug-06-08 07:19 AM |
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Many, many DUers approve Bush-like behavior, |
Snarkturian Clone |
Aug-06-08 07:37 AM |
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Those same DUers are allergic to the phrase 'I was wrong' |
Dreamer Tatum |
Aug-06-08 01:04 PM |
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LOL! |
IggyReed |
Aug-06-08 01:18 PM |
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Blahblah ChavezgoodUSAbad blahblah |
Dreamer Tatum |
Aug-06-08 01:24 PM |
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... |
IggyReed |
Aug-06-08 01:47 PM |
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Bush's puppet Peruvian President Alan Garcia also used these powers given him |
Judi Lynn |
Aug-06-08 02:16 PM |
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What the HELL are you blathering about? |
Dreamer Tatum |
Aug-06-08 03:24 PM |
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What I said was as clear as can be |
IggyReed |
Aug-06-08 04:15 PM |
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Your inconsistency disqualifies you |
Dreamer Tatum |
Aug-06-08 04:25 PM |
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Pure delusion |
IggyReed |
Aug-06-08 04:35 PM |
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Why would you not be aware of American oil business in Venezuela? |
Judi Lynn |
Aug-06-08 04:51 PM |
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Ain't that the truth |
nels25 |
Aug-06-08 02:31 PM |
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Come on |
IggyReed |
Aug-06-08 03:43 PM |
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So glad to see your informed posts. As you are aware, there are far too few people crowding |
Judi Lynn |
Aug-06-08 03:54 PM |
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Amazing, isn't it? nt |
Flatulo |
Mar-06-09 09:35 PM |
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Explain this for me, the "president for life" thing |
IggyReed |
Aug-06-08 12:49 PM |
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Don't even go THERE! lol |
Mika |
Mar-05-09 12:38 AM |
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Good! He has to do something about RW Colombian drug-trafficking death squads. |
Joanne98 |
Aug-06-08 10:06 AM |
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Don't hold your breath for those |
Dreamer Tatum |
Aug-06-08 01:03 PM |
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It's only a matter of time before the concert... |
twiceshy |
Aug-06-08 11:05 AM |
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Didn't know they traveled in swarms |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Aug-06-08 03:26 PM |
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Aug-06-08 03:30 PM |
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Back at ya |
IggyReed |
Aug-06-08 04:19 PM |
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Fuck the business groups but what's the story with the militias? |
anonymous171 |
Aug-06-08 03:34 PM |
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Colombian? The ones hired by the Venezuelan oligarchy? |
Judi Lynn |
Aug-06-08 03:42 PM |
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It's essentially his private army |
Dreamer Tatum |
Aug-06-08 04:13 PM |
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Hugo thinks that is plenty of time to invade Iran and kick his ass |
ohio2007 |
Aug-06-08 04:34 PM |
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More US exceptionalism... |
IggyReed |
Aug-06-08 04:40 PM |
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This is what I'm talking about |
IggyReed |
Aug-06-08 04:49 PM |
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better check your #'s |
ohio2007 |
Aug-06-08 04:51 PM |
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Yep |
IggyReed |
Aug-06-08 04:59 PM |
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judging by your post count |
ohio2007 |
Aug-06-08 07:28 PM |
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More amazingly brilliant comments from you, you're even more clever than you think you are |
IggyReed |
Aug-07-08 12:38 PM |
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You imagine Venezuela should be free to be overrun by the Colombian paramilitaries hired by the |
Judi Lynn |
Aug-06-08 04:57 PM |
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Judi, you have zero credibility with me when it comes to matters Venezuelan |
Dreamer Tatum |
Aug-06-08 11:48 PM |
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There is nothing rich people fear more than poor people who can defend themselves. |
killbotfactory |
Aug-06-08 06:13 PM |
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a mixture of two things |
Anarcho-Socialist |
Aug-07-08 08:08 AM |
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Mugabe used to be a hero to many DUers.. |
Imajika |
Aug-06-08 07:43 PM |
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Chavez = Mugabe, you say. That's a flat out lie. |
iconicgnom |
Aug-06-08 11:45 PM |
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I challenge you to produce evidence supporting your claim |
ronnie624 |
Aug-07-08 12:36 AM |
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I disagree with some of that |
Anarcho-Socialist |
Aug-07-08 08:15 AM |
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Well, your opinion is exactly right. |
Dave From Canada |
Mar-07-09 06:05 PM |
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Venezuelans protest Chavez's new socialist push |
ohio2007 |
Aug-06-08 08:49 PM |
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More crap |
IggyReed |
Aug-07-08 12:03 PM |
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How's that government-managed economy doing? |
Zorro |
Aug-06-08 10:57 PM |
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Give it time. It worked in Japan. |
iconicgnom |
Aug-06-08 11:49 PM |
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Maybe Chavez should take the Japanese, rather than the East German economic model, then |
robcon |
Aug-07-08 01:39 PM |
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Have you read or heard about the book "MITI" by Chalmers Johnson? |
IggyReed |
Aug-07-08 01:56 PM |
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Japan also... |
WriteDown |
Aug-07-08 02:34 PM |
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Venezuela to Cut Oil Contracts as Prices Fall ( six month bump for a Rule by Decree review) |
ohio2007 |
Mar-04-09 08:40 PM |
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I'm glad you kicked this thread. It's a classic. n/t |
EFerrari |
Mar-06-09 02:00 AM |
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It is an oldie but goodie, isn't it? They get so crabby when they're helpless, don't they? |
Judi Lynn |
Mar-06-09 02:48 AM |
#127 |
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