Reply #7: That's so rightwing of you, Bacchus39--to twist the death of the "miracle laptopS" as a

[Peace Patriot]

propaganda tool against the Left, into yet another RW slander against Venezuela and Ecuador. I presume you don't mean Brazil, Peru or Panama--just the Pentagon/CIA oil targets on Colombia's borders. Funny, how rightwing "talking points" always serve those interests. The Ecuador court's judgement against Chevron-Texaco must be getting under RW/corporate skin, big time.

You've just put yourself under the jurisdiction of my "rule of thumb" for Bushwhacks: Whatever they say, the opposite is true; whatever they accuse others of doing, they are doing or planning to do. It's a pretty reliable guide for RW/corporate propagandists in general. And I gather from this that RW/corporate efforts have been under way to suborn the courts in Ecuador and Venezuela.

We already know that Bush pal, Alvaro Uribe, was spying on Colombian judges and prosecutors, and that the judges and prosecutors received death threats from Uribe's thugs. And we can reasonably surmise that Uribe's spying on judges and prosecutors made it easy to tip off the spying witnesses against Uribe--seven of whom fled the country--and that the spying also aided and abetted the Uribe/Brownfield (U.S. ambassador) midnight extraditions of death squad witnesses to the U.S. (and their burial in the U.S. federal prison system by complete sealing of their cases)--all of this over the objections of Colombian prosecutors.

My "rule of thumb" (derived from your "talking point" implying that Colombia's oil rich neighbors, Ecuador and Venezuela, don't have independent courts) points to the same program in play in Ecuador and Venezuela, i.e., efforts to spy on, bribe, threaten and undermine the courts in Ecuador and Venezuela as well. Maybe a bit trickier in those countries--without a tool like Uribe in charge, to carry out the surveillance and clue in the handkerchief-over-the-mouth gangsters. Probably requires top-of-the-line Pentagon/CIA technology and black ops--something more sophisticated than the "sting" operation that Chevron-Texaco used against the first judge in the oil spill case and better than that CIA caper out of Miami ("Guido" and the "suitcase full of money') trying to slander Chavez and prevent the election of a leftist president in Argentina.

I think we can probably expect highly sophisticated sex and money scandal set-up's in a vile, subterranean attack on honest judges in Ecuador and Venezuela. That's what I'm getting from your use of the invalidation of this crap "evidence" against the presidents of Ecuador and Venezuela to slander Ecuador's and Venezuela's court systems--this bizarre RW leap from one to the other. Their independence from the likes of Chevron-Texaco will be under attack.

It's interesting, also, how you don't address the Colombian court's invalidation of the "miracle laptopS" as evidence. This crap "evidence" has been used by the RW, including here at DU, in a relentless propaganda campaign to slander the leftist presidents of Ecuador and Venezuela--with wild, incoherent charges (--that they were helping the FARC get a "dirty bomb," that they took money from the FARC and gave money to the FARC, and, my favorite, that Chavez had contact with the FARC...ahem, after that shit Uribe publicly asked him to contact the FARC for hostage negotiations*).

Now the Colombian court--which, all this while Uribe and the rightwing have been threatening and trying to suborn--stands up to fascist intimidation and declares their lying, fascist "evidence" to be unfit for a court of law, and you IGNORE that--all the lies that were based on worthless "evidence"--and instead FURTHER slander Ecuador and Venezuela.

You are now in the same category as George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld*. Nothing you say can trusted--indeed, whatever you say, the opposite is more than likely true. And whatever you assert needs to be parsed for projection--for RW/corporate plots in the making.

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*(It's quite interesting how Rumsfeld pops up in the effort to get Chavez on record as contacting the FARC. First, Uribe publicly asks Chavez to undertake hostage negotiations with the FARC, then, when Chavez is successful, and hostages are in route to their freedom, Uribe rescinds his request and the Colombian military sends rocket fire at the hostages while they are on their way to Venezuela, and, on that same weekend, Rumsfeld publishes an op-ed in the Washington Post, entitled, "The Smart Way to Defeat Tyrants like Chavez," in which he states, in the first paragraph, that Chavez's help in hostage negotiations "is not welcome in Colombia." So, either Uribe's request to Chavez was treacherous from the beginning--a set up--the theory that I now favor--or, Uribe's request was initially genuine and got over-ruled by Rumfeld and his pals in the Pentagon. The date was 12/1/2007. Rumsfeld had resigned the year before--probably because the U.S. military brass opposed the nuking of Iran and the CIA wasn't too happy either, having its agents and anti-WMD projects outed. Odd how he pops up in THIS situation, in Colombia/Venezuela, after he moved out of the Pentagon. It must have been a pet project.)