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Reply #2: The small map shows the Colombia side of the Perijá mountain range (pink) at the NE [View All]

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2. The small map shows the Colombia side of the Perijá mountain range (pink) at the NE
corner of Colombia. The Yukpa land grant is on the Venezuelan side of that border--at the NW corner of Venezuela (the big map). The Perijá range is NW of the green line showing the Andes Mts. and Lake Maracaibo. The indigenous land grants are NW of Lake Maracaibo. The two maps together show you the entire Perijá range, a snaky-looking (my first thought was swordfish) strip of mountains (pink in the little map) that enters NW Venezuela (green on the big map) way up in the corner. The indigenous land grants from Venezuela are on the border of the two countries, in the Perijá mountains (the state of Zulia on the Venezuelan side; Cesar on the Colombian side). You'd have to put the maps of the two countries together to see the whole range as one, and to clearly see the border (land grants on the Venezuelan side of that border in the mountains).

Zulia is very volatile state, politically--home ground of fascist plotters who want to secede from Venezuela, and gain control of Venezuela's main oil reserves in that region. There is evidence that they have colluded with the Colombian military on such plotting (with the US/Bushwhacks likely involved as well). They are somewhat akin to the white separatists in the eastern provinces of Bolivia, where Bolivia's main gas resources are located, who wanted to secede from Bolivia's leftist government, and thus gain control of Bolivia's main resource, and tried to, last September, with the Bushwhacks' help. Bolivia, a largely indigenous country, now has an indigenous president, and the racism of the white separatists is endemic. i don't think the racism is quite as widespread as a motivation for brutality in Zulia, because there simply aren't as many indigenous in Venezuela, but it appears to be part of what is going on there. This is a rich vs poor issue, in both cases--but added to it is the wealthy landowner class's attitude toward the indigenous as peons and slaves--as less than human--and the long and ugly history of European land grabs, domination, racial hatred and mass murder.
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  Venezuelan Yukpa Indigenous Community Attacked, Two Murdered Following Land Grants EFerrari  Oct-15-09 02:30 PM   #0 
   the first is a map of Colombia, goodness!!!! time for a break n/t  Bacchus39   Oct-15-09 03:00 PM   #1 
   The small map shows the Colombia side of the Perijá mountain range (pink) at the NE  Peace Patriot   Oct-15-09 05:02 PM   #2 
   Are you comparing Zulia with Santa Cruz?  spanza   Oct-17-09 02:48 PM   #4 
   Olvidalo  ChangoLoa   Oct-19-09 08:31 PM   #10 
      Right. It's absurd. Just like oil and coal are absurd. A belly laugh!  EFerrari   Oct-19-09 11:21 PM   #12 
         Sorry but Venezuelans have heard the talk about separatism in Zulia  spanza   Oct-20-09 10:40 AM   #19 
            Your own admission contradicts your position. n/t  EFerrari   Oct-20-09 10:48 AM   #20 
               It's quite the contrary  spanza   Oct-20-09 11:27 AM   #22 
                  And the latter isnt the only possibility or consequence. n/t  EFerrari   Oct-20-09 12:30 PM   #24 
   You may want to take a quick scan of this info, Peace Patriot. It actually touches  Judi Lynn   Oct-18-09 09:40 AM   #5 
      You mean that this guy who  spanza   Oct-19-09 04:43 PM   #8 
         Rosales is a loser and no one should waste a minute even thinking about him.  EFerrari   Oct-19-09 11:48 PM   #16 
   Very bad news, EFerrari. Hideous. Hope to learn more about this.  Judi Lynn   Oct-15-09 06:56 PM   #3 
   You know, there's an American D.U.'er living in Merida right now. Hope she sees this thread.  Judi Lynn   Oct-18-09 10:53 AM   #6 
   Use google earth, guys  Braulio   Oct-19-09 06:28 PM   #9 
      We'll be fine. Thanks for your concern. n/t  Judi Lynn   Oct-19-09 11:15 PM   #11 
      The multinationals who want to suck the coal out don't think so.  EFerrari   Oct-19-09 11:23 PM   #13 
         Why are they being murdered?  Braulio   Oct-20-09 04:09 PM   #27 
            "Outlaws, FARC and hostile indians"?  EFerrari   Oct-20-09 08:16 PM   #28 
               Been there  Braulio   Oct-21-09 07:31 PM   #29 
                  Braulio, EF is a girl  ChangoLoa   Oct-21-09 07:48 PM   #30 
                  Chango, EFerrari is not a girl, thanks.  EFerrari   Oct-21-09 08:11 PM   #34 
                     Oh... is that how you call these people?  ChangoLoa   Oct-22-09 02:57 PM   #35 
                        And yet another illustration of your unlimited reasoning ability.  EFerrari   Oct-22-09 05:55 PM   #36 
                  Every time I think you people can't get more ridiculous, you make me a liar. n/t  EFerrari   Oct-21-09 07:50 PM   #31 
                     you don't need anyone for that ;)  ChangoLoa   Oct-21-09 08:00 PM   #32 
                        Who is crying? Your buddy is hilarious. I hope he's more careful  EFerrari   Oct-21-09 08:09 PM   #33 
                           Imaginary?  Braulio   Oct-22-09 06:17 PM   #37 
                           So where is the list of multinational coal companies?  Braulio   Oct-23-09 11:20 AM   #39 
   Kicking.  Judi Lynn   Oct-19-09 03:59 PM   #7 
   To follow up on Peace Patriot's lead, here's a 2007 article  EFerrari   Oct-19-09 11:27 PM   #14 
   This is really good. I found it was reprinted in a blog, as well.  Judi Lynn   Oct-20-09 05:43 AM   #17 
   Here's another overview of separatist movements in the region.  EFerrari   Oct-19-09 11:37 PM   #15 
      So new Peruvian citizen, Manuel Rosales traveled to Washington to huddle with Tom Shannon.  Judi Lynn   Oct-20-09 05:52 AM   #18 
      I already told you about Rumbo Propio  spanza   Oct-20-09 11:01 AM   #21 
         You're way out of your depth. Shouldn't you be at a pant raid or something?  EFerrari   Oct-20-09 11:55 AM   #23 
         my understanding is the maracuchos have always felt they provided the income for Ven  Bacchus39   Oct-20-09 12:42 PM   #25 
            That has been going on for decades, almost centuries.  spanza   Oct-20-09 02:01 PM   #26 
   Minister of internal affairs says the two Yukpas were killed by  spanza   Oct-22-09 06:26 PM   #38 
 

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