Peace Patriot
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Thu Oct-15-09 05:02 PM
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| 2. The small map shows the Colombia side of the Perijá mountain range (pink) at the NE |
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corner of Colombia. The Yukpa land grant is on the Venezuelan side of that border--at the NW corner of Venezuela (the big map). The Perijá range is NW of the green line showing the Andes Mts. and Lake Maracaibo. The indigenous land grants are NW of Lake Maracaibo. The two maps together show you the entire Perijá range, a snaky-looking (my first thought was swordfish) strip of mountains (pink in the little map) that enters NW Venezuela (green on the big map) way up in the corner. The indigenous land grants from Venezuela are on the border of the two countries, in the Perijá mountains (the state of Zulia on the Venezuelan side; Cesar on the Colombian side). You'd have to put the maps of the two countries together to see the whole range as one, and to clearly see the border (land grants on the Venezuelan side of that border in the mountains).
Zulia is very volatile state, politically--home ground of fascist plotters who want to secede from Venezuela, and gain control of Venezuela's main oil reserves in that region. There is evidence that they have colluded with the Colombian military on such plotting (with the US/Bushwhacks likely involved as well). They are somewhat akin to the white separatists in the eastern provinces of Bolivia, where Bolivia's main gas resources are located, who wanted to secede from Bolivia's leftist government, and thus gain control of Bolivia's main resource, and tried to, last September, with the Bushwhacks' help. Bolivia, a largely indigenous country, now has an indigenous president, and the racism of the white separatists is endemic. i don't think the racism is quite as widespread as a motivation for brutality in Zulia, because there simply aren't as many indigenous in Venezuela, but it appears to be part of what is going on there. This is a rich vs poor issue, in both cases--but added to it is the wealthy landowner class's attitude toward the indigenous as peons and slaves--as less than human--and the long and ugly history of European land grabs, domination, racial hatred and mass murder.
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Venezuelan Yukpa Indigenous Community Attacked, Two Murdered Following Land Grants |
EFerrari |
Oct-15-09 02:30 PM |
#0 |

the first is a map of Colombia, goodness!!!! time for a break n/t |
Bacchus39 |
Oct-15-09 03:00 PM |
#1 |

The small map shows the Colombia side of the Perijá mountain range (pink) at the NE |
Peace Patriot |
Oct-15-09 05:02 PM |
#2 |
 
Are you comparing Zulia with Santa Cruz? |
spanza |
Oct-17-09 02:48 PM |
#4 |
  
Olvidalo |
ChangoLoa |
Oct-19-09 08:31 PM |
#10 |
 
Right. It's absurd. Just like oil and coal are absurd. A belly laugh! |
EFerrari |
Oct-19-09 11:21 PM |
#12 |
 
Sorry but Venezuelans have heard the talk about separatism in Zulia |
spanza |
Oct-20-09 10:40 AM |
#19 |
 
Your own admission contradicts your position. n/t |
EFerrari |
Oct-20-09 10:48 AM |
#20 |
 
It's quite the contrary |
spanza |
Oct-20-09 11:27 AM |
#22 |
 
And the latter isnt the only possibility or consequence. n/t |
EFerrari |
Oct-20-09 12:30 PM |
#24 |
 
You may want to take a quick scan of this info, Peace Patriot. It actually touches |
Judi Lynn |
Oct-18-09 09:40 AM |
#5 |

You mean that this guy who |
spanza |
Oct-19-09 04:43 PM |
#8 |

Rosales is a loser and no one should waste a minute even thinking about him. |
EFerrari |
Oct-19-09 11:48 PM |
#16 |

Very bad news, EFerrari. Hideous. Hope to learn more about this. |
Judi Lynn |
Oct-15-09 06:56 PM |
#3 |

You know, there's an American D.U.'er living in Merida right now. Hope she sees this thread. |
Judi Lynn |
Oct-18-09 10:53 AM |
#6 |
 
Use google earth, guys |
Braulio |
Oct-19-09 06:28 PM |
#9 |

We'll be fine. Thanks for your concern. n/t |
Judi Lynn |
Oct-19-09 11:15 PM |
#11 |

The multinationals who want to suck the coal out don't think so. |
EFerrari |
Oct-19-09 11:23 PM |
#13 |

Why are they being murdered? |
Braulio |
Oct-20-09 04:09 PM |
#27 |

"Outlaws, FARC and hostile indians"? |
EFerrari |
Oct-20-09 08:16 PM |
#28 |

Been there |
Braulio |
Oct-21-09 07:31 PM |
#29 |

Braulio, EF is a girl |
ChangoLoa |
Oct-21-09 07:48 PM |
#30 |
 
Chango, EFerrari is not a girl, thanks. |
EFerrari |
Oct-21-09 08:11 PM |
#34 |

Oh... is that how you call these people? |
ChangoLoa |
Oct-22-09 02:57 PM |
#35 |

And yet another illustration of your unlimited reasoning ability. |
EFerrari |
Oct-22-09 05:55 PM |
#36 |

Every time I think you people can't get more ridiculous, you make me a liar. n/t |
EFerrari |
Oct-21-09 07:50 PM |
#31 |

you don't need anyone for that ;) |
ChangoLoa |
Oct-21-09 08:00 PM |
#32 |

Who is crying? Your buddy is hilarious. I hope he's more careful |
EFerrari |
Oct-21-09 08:09 PM |
#33 |

Imaginary? |
Braulio |
Oct-22-09 06:17 PM |
#37 |

So where is the list of multinational coal companies? |
Braulio |
Oct-23-09 11:20 AM |
#39 |

Kicking. |
Judi Lynn |
Oct-19-09 03:59 PM |
#7 |
 
To follow up on Peace Patriot's lead, here's a 2007 article |
EFerrari |
Oct-19-09 11:27 PM |
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This is really good. I found it was reprinted in a blog, as well. |
Judi Lynn |
Oct-20-09 05:43 AM |
#17 |
 
Here's another overview of separatist movements in the region. |
EFerrari |
Oct-19-09 11:37 PM |
#15 |

So new Peruvian citizen, Manuel Rosales traveled to Washington to huddle with Tom Shannon. |
Judi Lynn |
Oct-20-09 05:52 AM |
#18 |

I already told you about Rumbo Propio |
spanza |
Oct-20-09 11:01 AM |
#21 |

You're way out of your depth. Shouldn't you be at a pant raid or something? |
EFerrari |
Oct-20-09 11:55 AM |
#23 |

my understanding is the maracuchos have always felt they provided the income for Ven |
Bacchus39 |
Oct-20-09 12:42 PM |
#25 |

That has been going on for decades, almost centuries. |
spanza |
Oct-20-09 02:01 PM |
#26 |

Minister of internal affairs says the two Yukpas were killed by |
spanza |
Oct-22-09 06:26 PM |
#38 |